oldsailor29 Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 OK, whatcha think, Tom-- or anyone? David danced with all his might before the Lord, without regard that his garments were flying about him, and his genitals were being seen by the crowd. In those days, the sight of genitals was not shocking. it happened all the time, and was not usually the subject of comment. But the genitals of the king was a sight that few ever witnessed. David was wrong here again. He was bringing the Ark of the covenant into Jerusalem. It should have been a solemn occasion. But he was even more wrong to wear the garment of the high priest. He was not a high priest. He should have heeded Samuel's instructions concerning the office of king in relation to the prophet. Prophets are more powerful than kings. And king Saul found out the hard way that even a dead prophet is more powerful than a live king. David was wrong many times in his life, but he was always willing to do God's will when it was revealed to him. That's why God said he was a man after His own heart. And that is why God continued to bless king David, even though he was somewhat rough around the edges. Quote Prs God, frm whm blssngs flw http://www.zoelifestyle.com/jmccall
Moderators John317 Posted August 3, 2009 Author Moderators Posted August 3, 2009 Originally Posted By: John317 OK, whatcha think, Tom-- or anyone? David danced with all his might before the Lord, without regard that his garments were flying about him, and his genitals were being seen by the crowd. In those days, the sight of genitals was not shocking. it happened all the time, and was not usually the subject of comment. But the genitals of the king was a sight that few ever witnessed. Do you think it's possible or maybe even likely that we SDAs are far too puritanical and prudish in our view of the genitals and we shouldn't be so concerned with whether dancers in church accidentally expose themselves before the congregation as long as the dancers are dancing with all their might before the Lord? You might have a good point here. Apparently there are many in the church who might think so. As a church, we do appear to be changing, and we can only hope it's for the better. Based on this thread alone, I can see that we have no reason to think any change would be anything but for the better. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Parade Orange Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 could u folks use words like hoho or hoohoo to talk about male and female parts please that word genitals is suspect Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.
oldsailor29 Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 could u folks use words like hoho or hoohoo to talk about male and female parts please that word genitals is suspect LOL Quote Prs God, frm whm blssngs flw http://www.zoelifestyle.com/jmccall
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Quote: David danced with all his might before the Lord, without regard that his garments were flying about him, and his genitals were being seen by the crowd. In those days, the sight of genitals was not shocking. it happened all the time, and was not usually the subject of comment. But the genitals of the king was a sight that few ever witnessed. I wonder if we might have difficulty getting a new GC President next year .... knowing this new trend? There may be much pressure from the populous. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Good question. In the poll, "dancing" is left up to each reader to define. 1] I don't dance...Never liked it even before I was a Christian.... 2] Dancing, in many respects, is showing off....It's egocentric...but then many things are....So,I would ask, what's the reason you would dance? Do you won't to be the center of attention? If so, that's the flesh (technically speaking). 3] Worldly dancing is 100% flesh....Dancing at the night club, bar or whatever, is basically a aphrodisiac. It's a form of foreplay.... I know some will disagree...well, your nature has your fooled....Let's get real. Quote
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Okay Rob ... A little sin here and a little sin there .... Surely a God of Love will forgive us won't He. After all it is good clean fun. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Okay Rob ... A little sin here and a little sin there .... Surely a God of Love will forgive us won't He. After all it is good clean fun. Sure, if I go out to a bar tonight, have a little drink, lust after a babe while she's shaking her stuff and then go do the deed, God will forgive me if I repent, but there'll be consequences to my actions....Maybe an STD? Maybe a jealous boyfriend (or husband)?.... Nothing good comes out of sexual immorality....It wrecks folks lives even though they stand forgiven. Paul, when discussing sin, most always starts off with sexual sins. Dancing, like I said, in the worldly sense is wetting the sexual appetite. Having said that look what comes with sexual immorality: ... hatred [including murder], discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness.... Quote
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Who is at fault. The one shakin' it or the one grabbin' it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Who is at fault. The one shakin' it or the one grabbin' it. both are living for the gratification of the flesh.... Quote
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 One may be just trying to feed her children. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Let's face it - Bars are for one thing....Playing cute little sexual games....That's having a good time (they say)....It's about sex...It's cheap...it's addictive...it's egocentric and in the end those who live for the flesh as a lifestyle will not inherit heaven. Not because they do bad things, but because they indulge the flesh....The converted person should have a change of direction....Yes, a babe in Christ my still visit his/her old stomping ground, but in their conscience they'll have no peace. As Paul says, "If you live for the flesh" (which is a state of unrepentance) you can come out of Christ and be lost. It's not the act that condemns you...it's the fact that you do not repent. Those believers who refuse to repent see no need of Christ and His righteousness....They have adopted sin as a legitimate lifestyle. They refuse the robe of Christ's righteousness because they refuse to acknowledge these sexual sins before God. You don't come out of God in one day, or even a year...but those who continue to harden their heart against the Spirit will reap a harvest of disaster. It's a process...We are either growing or retreating.... Quote
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 One may be just trying to feed her children. What, like women in prostitution, porn, nude dancing and such? Well, they might feed their kids with the money from such, but that doesn't make it good....All I can say is that if you live for the flesh and its desires trouble will come your way.... Quote
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Let's just cut the chase....The following video has no nudity, but it's what the world likes....It's sexual...it's "look at me"...it's egocentric and for those who live this life nothing good comes from such a lifestyle.... Call it "having fun" if you wish....Look this woman up 10 years from now and see where living loose will take her....I hope she grows up: Dance! Quote
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 You're right ... she should only be better when she grows up. Actually .... I think she was having a bad itch that she couldnt't take care of. Perhaps when she gets older. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Parade Orange Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 i think its enticing to some heterosexual men to see that -some may take it to another level in their minds now whats the point of that? Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.
Woody Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Love pure Love Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 i think its enticing to some heterosexual men to see that -some may take it to another level in their minds now whats the point of that? So, human nature is good? Paul (as a believer) states, "I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells nothing good." Men, at their base level, gravitate towards such sexuality....There's no exception, unless men are homosexual.... Quote
Robert Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 You're right ... she should only be better when she grows up. Actually .... I think she was having a bad itch that she couldnt't take care of. Perhaps when she gets older. Remember thy creator in the days of your youth.... Quote
Parade Orange Posted August 5, 2009 Posted August 5, 2009 i wont comment on the 'ITCH' Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.
Moderators John317 Posted August 5, 2009 Author Moderators Posted August 5, 2009 Let's just cut the chase....The following video has no nudity, but it's what the world likes....It's sexual...it's "look at me"...it's egocentric and for those who live this life nothing good comes from such a lifestyle.... Call it "having fun" if you wish....Look this woman up 10 years from now and see where living loose will take her....I hope she grows up: Dance! So what does this kind of dancing have to do with dancing in church? Is there any indication that the two types of dancing are similar, or that some SDAs want to see public dancing by girls or young women in church? I'm simply trying to find out what SDAs are thinking when it comes to dancing in church. Some have expressed the idea that there is no harm in some exhibition of the naked body (as they think David did) as long as it's done with all one's might or that one is using the dancing to glorify and show one's love for God. Thoughts? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Solja247 Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Dancing is in the church. I dont have a problem with secular dancing (ball room dancing, dancing in a non-sexual way etc) But I do have a problem with dirty dancing etc. Not all dancing leads to sex. Quote
Woody Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Good Point Solja Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
there buster Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Quote: As Gen. Patton once said--NUTS! Actually, it was Gen. McCauliffe at Bastogne Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
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