Sanctification - half full or half empty?

[Twilight]

If we treat sanctification as the "receipt of a righteous character", rather than the "removal of sin", we will be much better placed to receive the victory.

As we receive the righteousness of Christ, we are sanctified.

As we are filled by the presence of God, all sinful tendencies are pushed back and overcome.

So if we focus on seeking the Kingdom of God by receiving Gods positive grace and beautiful presence, we will automatically gain victory over sin.

Your thoughts?

Mark :-)

[Woody]

The Bible says a house is sanctifed. Also, garments. A Tabernacle. Instruments. Vessels. Dead people. A Sheep Gate. A Tower.

It talks about people 'sanctifying themselves'.

He speaks of those being sanctified before they were born.

Throughout the NT ... it says that we ARE sanctified. It talks about it being a done deal. Completed.

Through out the OT and NT it speaks of many specific individuals who ARE sanctified.

No where do I see that those who ARE sanctified are in some kind of incomplete process. The only process there is ... is that of growth. I think you are confusing 'growth' with being sanctified.

How long would it take for a house to be sanctifed. Also, garments. A Tabernacle. Instruments. Vessels. Dead people. A Sheep Gate. A Tower.

These things do not have lifetimes. And again ... The Bible says that they ARE sanctified. They don't have to keep striving to be sanctified. They ARE.

I would point out that the book of Jude was written to those who ARE sanctified. He doesn't address it to those who are 'workin at it'.

In the next post ... I will provide some Bible texts for your consideration.

[Woody]

2 Chron. 7:16 "For now have I chosen and sanctified this house"

Lev. 8:30 "And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which [was] upon the altar, and sprinkled [it] upon Aaron, [and] upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, [and] his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him. "

Num. 7:1 "And it came to pass on the day that Moses had fully set up the tabernacle, and had anointed it, and sanctified it, and all the instruments thereof, both the altar and all the vessels thereof, and had anointed them, and sanctified them."

Num. 8:17 " For all the firstborn of the children of Israel [are] mine, [both] man and beast: on the day that I smote every firstborn in the land of Egypt I sanctified them for myself. "

1 Sam. 7:1 "And the men of Kirjathjearim came, and fetched up the ark of the LORD, and brought it into the house of Abinadab in the hill, and sanctified Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the LORD."

1 Sam. 16:5 "And he said, Peaceably: I am come to sacrifice unto the LORD: sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice. And he sanctified Jesse and his sons, and called them to the sacrifice."

2 Chron 7:16 "For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually."

2 Chron 29:15 "And they gathered their brethren, and sanctified themselves, and came, according to the commandment of the king, by the words of the LORD, to cleanse the house of the LORD."

Neh. 3:1 "Then Eliashib the high priest rose up with his brethren the priests, and they builded the sheep gate; they sanctified it, and set up the doors of it; even unto the tower of Meah they sanctified it, unto the tower of Hananeel. "

Job 1:4 -5 "And his sons went and feasted [in their] houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. And it was so, when the days of [their] feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them."

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

John 17:19 " And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth."

John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

Acts 26:18 " To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. "

1 Cor. 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Heb. 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren"

Heb. 10:10 "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]."

Heb. 10:14 "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

Jude 1:1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father"

[Twilight]

2 Chron. 7:16 "For now have I chosen and sanctified this house"

Lev. 8:30 "And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which [was] upon the altar, and sprinkled [it] upon Aaron, [and] upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, [and] his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him. "

Num. 7:1 "And it came to pass on the day that Moses had fully set up the tabernacle, and had anointed it, and sanctified it, and all the instruments thereof, both the altar and all the vessels thereof, and had anointed them, and sanctified them."

Num. 8:17 " For all the firstborn of the children of Israel [are] mine, [both] man and beast: on the day that I smote every firstborn in the land of Egypt I sanctified them for myself. "

1 Sam. 7:1 "And the men of Kirjathjearim came, and fetched up the ark of the LORD, and brought it into the house of Abinadab in the hill, and sanctified Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the LORD."

1 Sam. 16:5 "And he said, Peaceably: I am come to sacrifice unto the LORD: sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice. And he sanctified Jesse and his sons, and called them to the sacrifice."

2 Chron 7:16 "For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually."

2 Chron 29:15 "And they gathered their brethren, and sanctified themselves, and came, according to the commandment of the king, by the words of the LORD, to cleanse the house of the LORD."

Neh. 3:1 "Then Eliashib the high priest rose up with his brethren the priests, and they builded the sheep gate; they sanctified it, and set up the doors of it; even unto the tower of Meah they sanctified it, unto the tower of Hananeel. "

Job 1:4 -5 "And his sons went and feasted [in their] houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. And it was so, when the days of [their] feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them."

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

John 17:19 " And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth."

John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? "

Acts 26:18 " To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. "

1 Cor. 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Heb. 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren"

Heb. 10:10 "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]."

Heb. 10:14 "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

Jude 1:1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father"

to them that are sanctified by God the Father

This does not imply past tense with no allowance for present tense...

It seems you are proposing "once saved always saved"?

Please consider this:

Eze 3:20 Again, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

How does the above "stack up" with the idea that sanctification is "completed" when we become Christians?

Mark :-)

[Woody]

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How does the above "stack up" with the idea that sanctification is "completed" when we become Christians?

If you were to die immediately after becoming a Christian .... would it not be complete at whatever stage it was at?

Perfection. Complete at whatever stage we are at. We are perfect In Him.

[Twilight]

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How does the above "stack up" with the idea that sanctification is "completed" when we become Christians?

If you were to die immediately after becoming a Christian .... would it not be complete at whatever stage it was at?

Perfection. Complete at whatever stage we are at. We are perfect In Him.

Qualify what you mean please, when you say:

"immediately after becoming a Christian".

[Richard Holbrook]

If we treat sanctification as the "receipt of a righteous character", rather than the "removal of sin", we will be much better placed to receive the victory.

As we receive the righteousness of Christ, we are sanctified.

As we are filled by the presence of God, all sinful tendencies are pushed back and overcome.

So if we focus on seeking the Kingdom of God by receiving Gods positive grace and beautiful presence, we will automatically gain victory over sin.

Your thoughts?

Mark :-)

I like the way you put that Mark.

Let those who would be truly sanctified search the Word of God with patience, with prayer, and with humble contrition of soul. Let them remember that Jesus prayed, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth" (John 17:17). {FW 121.3}

[Richard Holbrook]

There are many who claim that they have been sanctified to God, and yet when the great standard of righteousness is presented to them they become greatly excited and manifest a spirit which proves that they know nothing of what it means to be sanctified. They have not the mind of Christ; for those who are truly sanctified will reverence and obey the Word of God as fast as it is opened to them, and they will express a strong desire to know what is truth on every point of doctrine. An exultant feeling is no evidence of sanctification. The assertion, "I am saved, I am saved," does not prove that the soul is saved or sanctified. {FW 121.1}

[Woody]

There are people who will lie just to fit in .... I am sure.

[Richard Holbrook]

As we are filled by the presence of God, all sinful tendencies are pushed back and overcome.

Mark :-)

But how can we be filled with his presence Mark? Does spending quiet time alone with God have anything to do with it?

[Dr. Rich]

Hey, good post RH: "The assertion, "I am saved, I am saved," does not prove that the soul is saved or sanctified." This is just what I have been talking about.

[Richard Holbrook]

Well cut my legs off and call me shorty

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

If we treat sanctification as the "receipt of a righteous character", rather than the "removal of sin", we will be much better placed to receive the victory.

As we receive the righteousness of Christ, we are sanctified.

As we are filled by the presence of God, all sinful tendencies are pushed back and overcome.

So if we focus on seeking the Kingdom of God by receiving Gods positive grace and beautiful presence, we will automatically gain victory over sin.

Your thoughts?

Mark :-)

I like the way you put that Mark.

Let those who would be truly sanctified search the Word of God with patience, with prayer, and with humble contrition of soul. Let them remember that Jesus prayed, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth" (John 17:17). {FW 121.3}

It is also interesting when you consider Jesus' words:

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God."

As we seek the kingdowm of God, we will as a by product overcome sin.

Not that we will not need to strive, but more that we need to enter by the door, the right door.

Mark

[Twilight]

There are many who claim that they have been sanctified to God, and yet when the great standard of righteousness is presented to them they become greatly excited and manifest a spirit which proves that they know nothing of what it means to be sanctified. They have not the mind of Christ; for those who are truly sanctified will reverence and obey the Word of God as fast as it is opened to them, and they will express a strong desire to know what is truth on every point of doctrine. An exultant feeling is no evidence of sanctification. The assertion, "I am saved, I am saved," does not prove that the soul is saved or sanctified. {FW 121.1}

A beautiful quote.

A point to remember, when those that claim to be sanctified, and then manifest decided objections to obedience.

Interesting, thank you. :-)

Mark

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

As we are filled by the presence of God, all sinful tendencies are pushed back and overcome.

Mark :-)

But how can we be filled with his presence Mark? Does spending quiet time alone with God have anything to do with it?

Some simple steps:

1. Accept the merits of Christ's blood.

2. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

3. Receive the robe of Righteousness so that we can stand before God uncondemned.

4. Enter into the process of sanctification, which produces obedience.

5. Learn to be still "and know that I am God".

6. Experience "Union" with God.

A brief chart of the basic steps, each is a deep study on its own.

Your thoughts?

Mark

[olger]

Sanctification is the work of a lifetime. You start with a one-button beard and grow from there.

G

[Woody]

MY house and my door are sanctfied. So am I.

[Richard Holbrook]

Some simple steps:

1. Accept the merits of Christ's blood.

2. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

3. Receive the robe of Righteousness so that we can stand before God uncondemned.

4. Enter into the process of sanctification, which produces obedience.

5. Learn to be still "and know that I am God".

6. Experience "Union" with God.

A brief chart of the basic steps, each is a deep study on its own.

Your thoughts?

Mark

I think I will start with step one and do a study.

[Woody]

John 3:16 says it all.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

Some simple steps:

1. Accept the merits of Christ's blood.

2. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

3. Receive the robe of Righteousness so that we can stand before God uncondemned.

4. Enter into the process of sanctification, which produces obedience.

5. Learn to be still "and know that I am God".

6. Experience "Union" with God.

A brief chart of the basic steps, each is a deep study on its own.

Your thoughts?

Mark

I think I will start with step one and do a study.

Hbr 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

I can also recommend the booklet "what must I do to be saved" by a friend of mine on this link (you can view it as a pdf):

http://www.hidden-treasures.ca/eng.html

This little booklet pointed me on a path of study that changed my understanding of my relationship with God.

[Woody]

http://www.hidden-treasures.ca/eng.html

From my point of view .... that site is filled with legalism and you have to check each reference because a high percentage is inaccurate quotes. Deletions and additions. Buyer Beware.

I can say this because I've contacted the author and he indicates that he feels he can change the words of our prophet if in his mind it doesn't change her intent.

WOW. Be cautious.

[Twilight]

http://www.hidden-treasures.ca/eng.html

From my point of view .... that site is filled with legalism and you have to check each reference because a high percentage is inaccurate quotes. Deletions and additions. Buyer Beware.

I can say this because I've contacted the author and he indicates that he feels he can change the words of our prophet if in his mind it doesn't change her intent.

WOW. Be cautious.

It is true, Redwood has opposed this simple truth at every opportunity under many different id's across many boards.

But check it out for yourself. Be fully persuaded in your own mind.

Mark :-)

[Woody]

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But check it out for yourself. Be fully persuaded in your own mind.

Oh Course. But let each person beware that they need to check out each supposed "quote" that he lists.

Buyer Beware.

I have many much better things to do than to find all of his errors and misrepresentations. I will stick with the Bible and the SOP.

I've personally found 30-40 "quotes" where he added or deleted words of our prophet because he thought they explained it better. Yet he gave the credit for the changes ... to you know who .... Ellen White.

Folks if you thought Ernie was bad. Don't bother checking out this material unless you have a lot of time on your hands to cross check.

[Dr. Rich]

Mark, (my thoughts) this is a good start but do not forget "Let those who would be truly sanctified search the Word of God with patience, with prayer, and with humble contrition of soul. Let them remember that Jesus prayed, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth" (John 17:17). {FW 121.3}"

What is truth? It is the words of Jesus. And don’t forget 1John 3:6-9 and 5:18!

[Dr. Rich]

Thanks for the 'heads up' on this Redwood!