Last Day Events (Sunday Law)

[skyblue888]

In the study of the order of last day events, it soon becomes apparent that there is one event that emerges as a key happening in the sequence. It is quickly established as a peg in a sure place and having it in place it is possible to draw up the lines of sequence out from it in either directions. That event is the setting up of the image of the beast. Its setting up is foretold in Revelation 13:11-18.

It is assumed that the student will have a sound basic understanding of the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation and will therefore know that the first beast referred to in Revelation 13, as set forth in the first ten verses of the chapter, is none other than the Papal power that ruled supreme over the world for the 1260 years from 538-1798 A.D. It will be also understood that the Lamb-like beast that rises to power after the temporary demise of the first beast is none other than the power of Apostate Protestantism especially as cradled in the United Sates of America.

In this chapter (Rev.13) we are expressly told that this power as symbolized by the lamblike beast will set up an image of the first beast that had the wound by the sword and did live. What is an image? It is a likeness in the form of a reproduction of that which was before, the same thing all over again.

And there can be no mistake as to what this reproduction is. There can be no mistake on two counts. In the first case the actual image itself is described to us here in Rev. 13, and in the second case we have but to go back and study the character of the first beast to see what the image is to be. We find that they are identical.

"By this first beast is represented the Roman Church, an ecclesiastical body clothed with civil power, having authority to punish all dissenters. The image to the beast represents another religious body with similar powers. The formation of this image is the work of that beast whose peaceful rise and mild professions render it so striking a symbol of the United States. Here is to be found an image of the Papacy. When the churches of our land, uniting upon such points of faith as are held by them in common, shall influence the State to enforce their decrees and sustain their institutions, then will Protestant America have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy. Then the true church will be assailed by persecution, as were God's ancient people." Story of Redemption, pp.381,382.

We find that we have a religious power that has enlisted the power of the state as her servant and uses that power to enforce her decrees even to the end, to the death penalty where men refuse to yield to her demands. Thus it was with the Papacy and thus we are plainly told it will be with the image. Rev.13:15-18. This is a picture of what is coming to that which is now the free world and, first of all, in that nation which has all along steadfastly held to the right of every man to the utmost freedom to choose as to how and where he will worship or as to whether he will worship at all.

There are those that cannot believe that this could ever be possible. But the word of God has declared that it will be and that is all that we have to believe. The more one studies the prophecies, then the more we see that things that men could never believe were possible but were foretold in the Word, did happen just as they were foretold to happen.

Of course there are factors that lead up to this. There are forces that gradually bring it about so that it does not exactly happen over night. These have also been clearly outlined in the prophetic word and it is important that we study them. This we will do in the proper order once we have established the actual fact of the setting up of the image of the beast in the United States of America and what is involved in that action.

to be continued

[Woody]

If I spent all my time thinking and posting of the most negative stuff I could find ... I would never have the opportunity to get to know God.

[Guest]

What's negative?

[Woody]

Exactly my point. Most can't even see it. They've been blinded by a negative addiction.

[Guest]

I don't see how being prepared for what's coming is a negative thing. Maybe for Satan.

[Woody]

Getting to know Jesus is a GREAT idea.

[skyblue888]

Right Richard, that makes Satan very nervous.

Setting up the image

At what point of time will the image be set up? What act upon the part of men will establish it? What is involved in this? These are the questions that are now to be answered. And the answers are there. There is no mystery about it. Let us turn to the prophetic word for the answers:

"When the leading churches of the United States, uniting upon such points of doctrine as are held in common, shall influence the state to enforce their decrees and to sustain their institutions, then Protestant America will have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy and the infliction of civil penalties upon dissenters will inevitably result... The 'image to the beast' represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas." The Great Controversy, p.445.

"Romanists declare that 'the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves to the authority of the (catholic) church.' Mgr. Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestants of Today, p.213. The enforcement of Sunday-keeping on the part of Protestant churches is an enforcement of the worship of the papacy, of the beast of Rev.13:1-10. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false instead of the true Sabbath, are thereby giving homage to the power by which it is commanded. But in the very act of enforcing a religious duty by secular power, the churches would themselves form an image to the beast; hence the enforcement of Sunday-keeping in the United States would be an enforcement of the worship of the beast and his image." The Great Controversy, pp.448-449.

Thus is answered the question, At what point of time will the image of the beast be set up? It will be set up at that point of time when the leading churches of the United States, uniting upon such point of doctrine as they hold in common, shall obtain the power of the civil authorities to enforce as law the laws and injunctions of the church itself especially in regard to the enforcement of the Sunday legislation. That time is still future but it is not too much distant anymore. Already the movement for church unity is well advanced and strides have been made in this direction that would not have been thought possible but a few short years ago.

Many see in this unity a great blessing for the world and it is true that the prayer of Christ is for the unity of His people. But let us never forget that the unity that Jesus prayed for is not the root, but the fruit. First comes the unity with the truth of God and then all that are united with that truth will in turn be united with each other as the fruit of the basic unity with the truth.

The unity proposed here is not a platform of truth but as an expediency to gain a substitute power for the power of God. Having lost the power of God in the rejection of the great truths of the Advent message, the only remaining power that the churches can turn to is the arm of the state. But they cannot gain this power until they can go as a united front to take it up. Therefore they must first unify among themselves so that they will have the power to go to the state and demand and obtain that power to enforce their wishes. The reasons for this and the factors involved will be more fully developed as we proceed into this series of studies.

Some may feel that the image of the beast must already be set up because there are numerous Sunday Laws upon the State books throughout the United States as well as in Australia, Canada and Europe. But at the present time these stand largely unenforced while the time will come when, in the face of certain issues, there will be a strong uniting of the churches and a very definite enforcement of the law on a national basis. It will be a nation wide affair that will involve the Constitution. It will be a "national apostasy which will end only in national ruin." Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p.976.

So there we have before us fact number one. The setting up of the enforcement of the Sunday law as the will of the leading and by then united churches on a national scale in the United States of America first, is the setting up of the image of the beast. But what takes place in the United States first is followed by every other country on the face of the globe. This is evident from the fact that the message of warning against the beast and his image as contained in Revelation 14:6-12 is a warning that is sent to "every nation, kindred, tongue and people."

"As America, the land of religious liberty, shall unite with the Papacy in forcing the conscience and compelling men to honour the false sabbath, the people of every country of the globe will be led to follow her example." "Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world." Testimonies, Vol.6, pp.18,395.

to be continued

[Woody]

No time like NOW ... to get to know the man ... JESUS.

Don't wait folks. Don't be fooled by the end time theorists. You must know God NOW.

[Guest]

We're there. Everything is in place. It could all happen virtually over night. Most people don't even realize where we are in the stream of things. And sad as it may be, when I say most people, I mean most SDAs.

[Guest]

Hey Red, are you on the devil's payroll or something?

[Woody]

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It could all happen virtually over night.

That's the problem with the end time theorists. They lull people with the idea that they have 'over night'. But some will not have that long. Just think of how many will die before the night is over.

This end time stuff is dangerous.

Best to spend a thoughtful hour each day on the life of Christ. Then ... if you have time to waste ... you can then feel justified on studying the end time theories.

[Guest]

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

[Woody]

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Most people don't even realize where we are in the stream of things.

I really don't care.

I'm ready now and praying that things go quickly ... but I am not watching the end time theorists. Nor am I interested. Time is far too short for all of us. Far shorter than any end time theorist will admit to.

[Guest]

Are you for real? You mean you call yourself an Adventist, and don't know anything about last day events? You think it's a theory?

[Guest]

She said there would be some like you, but I figured we'd be closer to the end before I ever got to see one.

[Woody]

Yes. Every one of them has a different theory. Including you. Your theories are fine. I have no fault with them. I am just not interested in the topic and fear it is dangerous.

[Woody]

She said there would be some like you, but I figured we'd be closer to the end before I ever got to see one.

Well ... here I am. In the cyber flesh. Do you feel honored?

[Guest]

Actually it's kind of scary......

[Woody]

She said there would be some like you, but I figured we'd be closer to the end before I ever got to see one.

See ... you again prove my point. You thought you would be 'closer to the end'. Richard ...we are closer to the end. Time has run out. You need to prepare to meet your God ... TODAY. NOW. THIS VERY SECOND. For you could die any second.

This idea that we have ANY time ... is of the Devil. You are falling into a trap. Satan wants you to 'think' that you have time 'closer to the end' .

Get to know Jesus NOW folks.

[Woody]

Actually it's kind of scary......

ONLY if you don't know Jesus. He is the Master who wipes away all fear.

[Dr. Rich]

Richard, what Sky presented here on this thread is actually fiction. It does sound good and it is easy to become afraid of things by reading this, but it is from someone who is now dead and therefore did not understand end time events as prophesied by God in Daniel 12:10.

The probability is very high that end, when Jesus comes in the clouds, will be just after the fall equinox in the year 2019. So yes, time is indeed very short.

Take three and a half years from that for the time of trouble and you come to around the spring equinox of 2016.

Then deduct 1335 days from that time for the shaking of the KOH and the learning of the real truth for the 144k and you will end up around 2013 more or less.

Then before or during this time we should see some serious One World Government take over of the many nations thereby placed into 'unions'.

Before that or during this time you should also see serious freedom changes into control by those who 'have'. You should also see a serious economic melt down all around the world thereby making everyone a puppet to those in control.

There is much more to fear if you don't understand what is going to happen, but fortunately we will have the 144K in this world who will actually know all about this and will be the ones to tell you what is going to happen and when. I for one will be looking for these bondservants of God.

Now you can call this fiction too, but we all shall see for ourselves very shortly. This is only my opinion.

[Guest]

Rich, everything you believe is fiction, and you're gonna talk to me about fiction?

[Dr. Rich]

I just pinched myself and found out I am not dead yet. Time will tell.

[Kevin H]

Let's be careful not to trust in superficial traditon that has been built on truth, or throwing out the truth with the tradition. Be careful as it is tempting to add speculation built on this tradition, I'm a bit nervous about both sides in this discussion. I almost was not going to join this discussion, but thought I'd share some ideas that might be useful as we study.

1.) The beast in Revelation 13 is NOT the papacy but any organized group that replaces Christ in our life, with the 7 heads being the 7 periods of anti-christ: Babylon, Medio-Persia, Greece, Rome, The Holy Roman Empire (which includes Papal supremicy and where the Pope actually does fit in) the deadly would (a period of independent nations and freedom) followed by the deadly wound being healed by economic cooperation where nations are willing to sacrifice freedom for security and the economic advantages of joining the world economic systerm. May I recommend George McCreaty Price's "The time of the end.

2.) We need to study what Mrs. White says about what visions do and don't do for her (and these are what we see is what visions do and don't do for prophets in General) What does Mrs. White see as her message? What is her Great Controversy framework; the role of the trinity, the 3 lies of Satan; the nature of the distruction of the wicked. What did Mrs. White say AND NOT SAY about Sunday laws, has our traditon moved beyond what she actually taught into ideas that we read into her? In some places she hints that Sunday will be how the test arrives for the "Christian" world and hinting that there will be other ways it arrives for the rest of the world. What are the real issues that she saw. She goes much deeper than days.

3.) Mrs. White mentions what God wanted to do for ancient Israel. The SDABC has a very powerful article on "The Role of Israel in Old Testament Prophecy" which is worth reading at least twice a year. And we need to study the Bible in the light of this information. We like to ask "What does the Bible mean for us" instead of "What did the Bible mean to the original readers" from which we will see principles that apply to us and teach us what is happening and where we are going. What did the Mark of the Beast mean to Jeremiah? What did it mean to John? What did the 7 churches say when they received Revelation from John, did they scratch their heads saying "What was that all about?" or did they say "The Pope is coming, then after that the United States!" or did they leave saying "God is doing this right now!"

[skyblue888]

Order of Last Day Events

Post # 3

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE EVENT

The setting up of the image of the beast is a most significant event. It is an event that brings the world to a certain point of acute crisis and ushers in a series of chain reactions that end only in the seven last plagues, the coming of the Lord in glory and the destruction of the wicked. Hence the importance of putting this peg in its sure place at the very outset of this study.

In the first case this act brings the United States first of all, and each other nation in their turn as they follow her, to the point of NATIONAL APOSTASY: "When our nation (USA)in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those that keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in the land and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin." RH Dec.18, 1888.

Note that this statement distinctly equates the passing of the Sunday law and its enforcement on the national scale with national apostasy. This is further made plain in this statement that tells us that by this act the USA will have fully disconnected herself from righteousness.

"By the decree enforcing the institution of the Papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation (USA) will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its constitution as a Protestant and Republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehood and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvellous working of Satan and that the end is near. As the approach of the Roman soldiers was a sign to the disciples of the impending destruction of Jerusalem, so may this apostasy be a sign to us that the limit of God's forbearance is reached and that the angel of mercy is about to take her flight, never to return." 5 T 451

"When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular powers to sustain a false religion for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin." Evangelism p.235.

"It is at the time of the national apostasy, when, acting the policy of Satan, the rulers of the land will rank themselves on the side of the man of sin, it is then that the measure of guilt is full; the national apostasy is the signal for national ruin." Selected Messages, Vol.2, p.373.

These statements need no further comment. They plainly tell that the act of passing and enforcing a Sunday law as an act of homage to the papacy, is an act of national apostasy that brings the complete severance from all righteousness, fills the measure of their guilt and causes the angel of mercy to leave, never to return. It is no wonder that this is a significant event and one that is fraught with fearful consequences. It is the great point of no return. Once that step is taken then the powers of this earth will have gone too far to return and their destruction is certified. But there is more yet to be learned about this event, for by it the device of Satan will be perfected. For a long time the devil has been working to bring the whole world under his complete control and to unite it into one vast army of confederated opposition against the people and the truth of God.

Now at last his device is perfected and he is ready for the last great battle of the ages. Note how clearly this fact of the perfecting of his device is stated in the following quotation:

"When the legislature frames laws which exalt the first day of the week, and put it in the place of the seventh day, the device of Satan will be perfected." RH, April 15, 1890.

Inasmuch as the whole object of the devil from the very beginning has been to make of none effect the law of God, (G.C.582) then it follows that if the device of Satan has been perfected at this time, then The law of God is also made void.

And so it proves to be as these statements show. "A time is coming when the law of God is, in a special sense, to be made void in our land. The rulers of our nation will, by legislative enactments, enforce the Sunday law, and thus God's people will be brought into great peril. When our nation in its legislative assemblies, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of man in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the Seventh day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in the land; and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin." Review and Herald, Dec.18,1888.

Very naturally this will bring a great test for the people of God.

"The Lord has shown me clearly that the image of the beast will be formed before probation closes: for it is to be the great test for the people of God by which their eternal destiny will be decided... Rev.13:11-17 quoted here)... This is the great test that the people of God must have before they are sealed. All who prove their loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under the banner of the Lord God Jehovah and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who yield the truth of divine origin, and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the beast." Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p. 976.

Finally we will notice that this event marks the signal to flee from the cities. "As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains." 5 T 464,465.

And now without advancing the evidences, we will state here that this is also the time for the complete spiritual fall of Babylon the Great and the beginning of the long looked for outpouring of the latter rain and the loud cry.

to be continued