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EXTRAORDINARY

The true calling of a Christian is not to do extraordinary things, but to do ordinary things in an extraordinary way.

~~Dean Stanley~~

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FAITH

"FAITH and obedience are bound up in the same bundle. He that obeys God trusts God; and he that trusts God obeys God. He that is without faith is without works; and he that is without works is without faith".

~~Spurgeon~~

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AMEN

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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Holbrook...same thoughts and thanks for sharing.

BE BLESSED! BLESSETH SABBATH!

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1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become (#1096 - ginomai) the firstfruits of them that slept.

#1096 – ginomai

‘to become’

Umm, the Koine text uses [disabuse me should my grammar not obtain] a transitive verb with an attached particle – together seemingly bearing a tense; the sense may correlate with the following: “...after being resurrected, He became our omer”—waved sheaf of firstfruits of the first, or smaller harvest. The literalist’s read of text would have the waving of the sheaf occurring at the previous sunset (approximating the moment Matthew 28:1 advises us that Jesus Christ actually rose from the tomb; that is, “in the end of the Sabbath”. Note: not after, but in the end thereof...), as the waving of the sheaf initiated the Pentecostal count. As noted elsewhere, Jews began their daily counts at sunset.

(Matthew is emphatic that Jesus Christ’s resurrection occurred in the end of the Sabbath. That would be by our reckoning – twilight.

One might also consider that both Matthew and Koine Greek were part of what some may consider Eastern Culture)

I favor the view that Leviticus 23:10 indicates that the harvest begins – after which, a sheaf is separated and brought to the priest for his waving of it. (“...shall reap the harvest..., then ye shall bring a sheaf...”) Jewish traditions notwithstanding, there doesn’t seem to exist evidence that the COI began the barley harvest whilst it was dark...

The above stated, except for chronology, it might be supposed that St Paul’s mention of firstfruits was, instead, in reference to the two leavened loaves... What might that signify?

>>Events happened on parts of days and was considered the whole day and night.<<

Notwithstanding that the Jews held to all sorts of peculiarities, did Jesus Christ? Don’t think so: where it concerned Himself vis-à-vis prophecy – He diverged from supposed traditions with words of exactitude, “three days and three nights” and utilized the Roman count of “are there not twelve hours in a day?”

>>But you are imposing a requirement that was not needed for the death of Jesus. It did not matter if he died for a few seconds or for a few years...<<

Perhaps, however, it mattered in that He had prophesied concerning His death. That made it imperative that what followed was exactly fulfilled. The veracity of His word and all that...

>>(an exogesus of Daniel indicates that Daniel expected the Messiah to be dead for about 3 1/2 years then rise to bring about the end of the world; and this would have happened had Jesus been accepted) and on the one hand Jesus did not even need to die on the cross;<<

That is extraordinary!—do you mind expositing that thought more fully?

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Great post jasd! I think you covered it nicely. I am glad you pointed out the fact Jesus said are not there 12 hours to the day (and therefore 12 hours to the night)--so that this could only be at the Spring Equinox. Since Jesus also said (as you pointed out) three days and three nights, would not this be 72 hours? I also like what you said about Jesus' meaning of the prophecy, not the Jews or not ours either.

When the women reached the tomb it was still dark, so this had to be after twilight on Saturday evening for it surly would not be after twilight on the first day (our Sunday), because what was there to keep them from coming to the tomb?

When Jesus spoke to Mary, He also told her that He had not yet gone to see His Father, meaning that He had not yet presented the wave sheaf to His Father. By the way, what time was it when Jesus spoke to Mary? Was in still dark?

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KINGDOM

~The kingdom of God is a society of the best man, working for the best ends, according to the best methods. The law is one word~loyality; its gospel one message~love. If you know anything better, live for it; if not, in the name of God and of humanity, carry out Christ's plan.

~Drummond~

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KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF~

What right have I to make everyone in the house miserable because I am miserable? Troubles must come to all, but troubles need not be wicked, and it is wicked to be a destroyer of happiness.

~Amelia E. Barr~

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In Leviticus 23:9-14 talks about the Jewish feast of first fruits. It was celebrated every year on the Sunday morning after passover, very early Sunday morning just before sunrise. While we may not recognize it in the translations, the resurection naratives in the Gospel and Paul's talk about Jesus' resurection being the first fruits.

Are you referring to 1 Cor. 15: 20; Luke 23: 21-23; Romans 8: 29 and Matt. 27: 52, 53?

What does it say in the original Greek that is not found in any of the good translations?

It's true that this feast of first fruits came the day after the sabbath, but isn't the Bible talking about the passover sabbath, and not the weekly Sabbath?

I'm particularly interested in any historical information you have that the Jews celebrated it every Sunday very early in the morning before sunrise.

Leslie Hardinge's With Jesus In His Sanctuary, says "this ritual took place yearly on the day which followed the first ceremonial Sabbath, the 15th, on whatever day of the week it might occur" (p. 439). According to Hardinge, the feast of first fruits could fall on different days of the week.

Does this agree with your understanding.

But he does say that it was fulfilled in the resurrection of Christ.

"This venerable symbol met its antitype on Sunday, the 16th of Nisan, when Jesus did indeed rise from the grave on the 'third day,' the 'morrow after [the first ceremonial] sabbath (Lev. 23: 10, 11).

"In the year of Christ's death, the first annual ceremonial sabbaths fell on the 15th, Nisan, which happened to be a weekly sabbath. This made it 'a high day.' Jesus spent this day resting in the tomb. Following His resurrection on the 16th, which with His creative and redeptive power He raised to life 'many bodies of them that slept' (Matt. 27: 51-53). Then, as the great Antitypical Wave-Sheaf, the First-Fruits to be garnered from the fields of the world, He offered Himself before His Father enthroned in the celestial Sanctuary" (Ibid. p. 440).

In explaining Lev. 23: 15, the Jewish SDA author, F.C. Gilbert, wrote, "This first putting in of the sickle on that day after the Passover sabbath, not weekly Sabbath, was called the omer. From the first day of this omer, on whichever day of the week it happened to fall, till the last day of the omer, was seven full weeks. The next day was Pentecost" (Practical Lessons, page 249).

Stephen Haskell adds a wonderful observation: "One unanswerable argument that Jesus is the Messiah, is that He died upon the cross the very day, and time of the day, that God had said the Passover lamb should be slain; and He came forth from the dead the same day of the month, that the first-fruits had been waved for centuries. God, Himself, definitely fixed the date for the celebration of each of the annual offerings"(The Cross and Its Shadow, p. 100, 101).

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

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~ WISDOM ~

A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying in other words that he is wiser today than he was yesterday.

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"This venerable symbol met its antitype on Sunday, the 16th of Nisan, when Jesus did indeed rise from the grave on the 'third day,' the 'morrow after [the first ceremonial] sabbath (Lev. 23: 10, 11).[ed.jasd]

Not to, necessarily, take issue with Hardinge, and not to put too fine a point on it, however,...

Matt 28:1 In the end (#3796 opse) of the sabbath

Mk 11:19 And when even (#3796 opse) was come

Mk 13:35 ...ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even (#3796 opse), or at midnight

The above three texts are the only three times opse is used in the NT – bearing also the idea of late in the day. Well, is there any intimation, at all, that opse may indeed be taken to represent early morning?

Absolutely not!

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~ Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

James 5:16

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>>Therefore confess your sins to each other...<<

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

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GIVING

~ NEVER BE AFRAID OF GIVING UP YOUR BEST, AND GOD WILL GIVE YOU HIS BETTER ~

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CONVICTION

~ A man without conviction is like a lost soul on the road that leads to the land of nowhere~

~Zeta~

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"Walk in Love, as Christ loved us and gave himself for us, an offering and sacrifice to God".

Ephesians 5:12

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"The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord…"

(Psalm 37:230

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