Confessions

[GreatLakesGramma]

I agree.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: John317

So while I wouldn't tell someone that it's a sin for them to drink a glass of wine, I would say that it is sinful to drink to the point of being drunk. My experience tells me that most people do not stop with just one glass or one beer.

And then there is another reason for abstaining, perhaps not from purely self motivation.

"Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall." 1 Corinthians 8:13 NIV

Blessings!!

Excellent points john and LHC

pk

[Woody]

Quote:

"Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall." 1 Corinthians 8:13 NIV

This is one text if followed to extremes can be very dangerous.

Perhaps since I cause people to fall ... I should just not be around people. No. What would be better is to teach these people the Truth ... that eating meat is not wrong and that they need not fall over it.

[Gerr]

If that is too radical, try this:

"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Mt 18:6 ESV.

[Bravus]

Aye, there's the rub. If doing something is not in itself sin, then influencing someone else to do it is also not sin. (And I believe this text relates more to things like pedophilia than what we eat or drink...)

[LifeHiscost]

that eating meat is not wrong and that they need not fall over it.

On the other hand, in the U.S. there are more people who die of coronary disease than any other place on the planet, much of the deaths directly linked to the eating of red meat, among other things. As well, it takes about 15 times (not sure of the exact figure) more tillable space to produce a pound of nourishing bloody meat for consumption at the table,than it takes to provide the same amount of nourishment directly from plant food, without the danger of athrosclerosis, allowing a minimal amount of people to feast sumptiously, only cutting their lives short for the pleasure, while multiplied millions are dieing for lack of a crust of bread.

"Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!" Ecclesiastes 10:17 KJV

"Righteousness exalts a nation,But sin is a disgrace to any people."Proverbs 14:34 NASB

Which seems to be obvious in the world we live in today. And those nations that believe themselves not to be caretakers of their poor brothers, and continue to live as profligates, will reap their due reward unless they repent.

Which makes me a little concerned for my own future.

Come Lord Jesus!

Joy!!

[Woody]

Okay. I will confess since that is the topic of this thread.

I enjoy a nice juicy and thick cut of meat now and again.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Woody

that eating meat is not wrong and that they need not fall over it.

On the other hand, in the U.S. there are more people who die of coronary disease than any other place on the planet, much of the deaths directly linked to the eating of red meat, among other things. As well, it takes about 15 times (not sure of the exact figure) more tillable space to produce a pound of nourishing bloody meat for consumption at the table,than it takes to provide the same amount of nourishment directly from plant food, without the danger of athrosclerosis, allowing a minimal amount of people to feast sumptiously, only cutting their lives short for the pleasure, while multiplied millions are dieing for lack of a crust of bread.

"Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!" Ecclesiastes 10:17 KJV

"Righteousness exalts a nation,But sin is a disgrace to any people."Proverbs 14:34 NASB

Which seems to be obvious in the world we live in today. And those nations that believe themselves not to be caretakers of their poor brothers, and continue to live as profligates, will reap their due reward unless they repent.

Which makes me a little concerned for my own future.

Come Lord Jesus!

Joy!!

You are correct, and Japan from what I've heard is second. Its seems that all the countries that have tried to emulate the USA on diet are also rapidly approaching the USA and Japan. Japan used to be way behind us, they basicly ate more fish, but are now more into red meat.

pk

[abelisle]

My take on this is that it isn't meat eating that kills you as much as sugar intake and lack of exercise. I think EGW said somewhere that manual laborers could just about eat anything they wished.

We are a nation of couch potatoes. No one even walks to the neighborhood store. They jump in their cars instead. People don't ride bikes because our transportation infrastructure isn't supportive of bike riding. When I was in Europe last year, there were bicycles and bikers everywhere!

If anything is sinful in this regard, it is our shirking of the stewardship of our own bodies. When was the last time you heard a sermon on stewardship that connected with health reform and/or environmentalism?

Alex (cleaned out my Temple today with my workout )

[phkrause]

My take on this is that it isn't meat eating that kills you as much as sugar intake and lack of exercise. I think EGW said somewhere that manual laborers could just about eat anything they wished.

We are a nation of couch potatoes. No one even walks to the neighborhood store. They jump in their cars instead. People don't ride bikes because our transportation infrastructure isn't supportive of bike riding. When I was in Europe last year, there were bicycles and bikers everywhere!

If anything is sinful in this regard, it is our shirking of the stewardship of our own bodies. When was the last time you heard a sermon on stewardship that connected with health reform and/or environmentalism?

Alex (cleaned out my Temple today with my workout )

While taking my walk the other day I watched a neighbor drive his car to get his mail! Granted he has a pretty long driveway and he's probably around 70, but still, drive!

pk