Does the following EGW advice apply today?

[Woody]

The cons here frequently state that statements from EGW were just for her time and culture. I think this is just another one of them. And this time I agree. I stand behind my Swiss n Swedish heritage.

[Igakusei]

Daniel 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the SEED of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

This is a good verse to see what is happening today and to understand that God made ALL of the races in the 6 day creation many thousands of years before Adam was formed out of the ground.

How do you explain the fact that y-chromosomal analysis and mitochondrial DNA analysis both clearly demonstrate that all humans share common ancestors? They even show us when different groups of human beings populated each continent.

[phkrause]

Absolutely, I reject the idea she was writing for all eternity! That is not what she said anyway. "I was shown" does not say if she had a vision from God, a direct voice from God, or simply an impression from observation or reading of other material. When the comments are brought up about bicycles, people are quick to point out that is was a principle not against riding or owning. Why are people having difficulty finding a principle in this statement. It was about the harm that might come to children. It should be rather easy to read the whole context of her comments and see it was not about which races should marry, but rather consequences of those unions.

The latest censes has stats that pertain to this issue and many articles have been written recently in the media about interracial marrige becomming more acceptable even in the south.

God is not racist, to suggest that this issue pertains only to black and white...well..sorry...but that is a racist concept.

I agree with you CoAspen, I believe if she were writing today she'd be saying something quite different. Probably more inline with the Bible about unions between believer's & non-believers, and even that has changed quite a bit. I most of us know of such unions that have worked out very well.

[phkrause]

Daniel 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the SEED of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

This is a good verse to see what is happening today and to understand that God made ALL of the races in the 6 day creation many thousands of years before Adam was formed out of the ground.

Dr. Rich, I must ask! What does this have to do with the Black & White issue that EGW was talking about? Just asking don't take it as an attack of your well meaning statement. I just don't see a common denommonater(sp) here.

[ClubV12]

Pkrause says,

"...between believer's & non-believers, and even that has changed quite a bit. I most of us know of such unions that have worked out very well."

Do you mean to suggest it now OK for non-believers and believers to join in marriage now because "times have changed" and such unions can work out very well? That the biblical advice is not "old fashioned" and that was then, but it's OK now? Or, did I miss your point?

[phkrause]

Pkrause says,

"...between believer's & non-believers, and even that has changed quite a bit. I most of us know of such unions that have worked out very well."

Do you mean to suggest it now OK for non-believers and believers to join in marriage now because "times have changed" and such unions can work out very well? That the biblical advice is not "old fashioned" and that was then, but it's OK now? Or, did I miss your point?

I don't believe I said that, at least I wasn't trying to imply that that was OK now.

[ClubV12]

I didn't think that's what you meant to imply or say. You might consider editing your post for better clarity.

Maybe this part needs a "not"?

On believers and non-believer marriage:

"I most of us know of such unions that have worked out very well."

[Textus Receptus]

Daniel 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the SEED of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

This is a good verse to see what is happening today and to understand that God made ALL of the races in the 6 day creation many thousands of years before Adam was formed out of the ground.

I do not understand your logic for using this particular scripture as a defense against inter-racial marriages.

If you understand prophecy and how the book of Daniel relates to end-times, you will come to the understanding that Daniel was speaking of political confederations. Daniel was prophesying , that no matter how the world will try to confederate in defiance of God, they will not "cleave" successfully. It's paralellism to Daniel 2:33- how they will once again try to finish what the Tower of Babel could not - global unity.

Lastly, holy writ clearly doesn't suggest that 'all races' were made at the time of Genesis. It only mentions the creation of Adam and Eve of which all generations come forth

What you are purporting comes directly from the Septuagint, which mind you, has its origins from the Alexandrian text. The Greek Septuagint text of the Old Testament was compiled as a Greek text in 285 BC for the great Library at Alexandria, Egypt.

Alexandria along with Rome were the repository of occultism and Gnosticism at this time and as a consequence it is full of false teachings and perversions. Pastors, such as Dr. Arnold Murry believe and prorogate this view. He also makes such claims that Lucifer had sexual intercourse with Eve in an attempt to explain the birth of Cain.

[Dr. Rich]

While it is your right for your opinion, so do I. No, Satan did not have sex with Eve but the demons did have relations with human women as we find in Gen. 6:4. Since they were on the earth before and after the flood, and were not on the ark, please tell me how they survived?

As for Daniel's words, he wrote them as God told him to. The word SEED means all of the races of mankind. Since you and I were not there at creation, everything we have is a theory. I trust in the Septuagint more than then what we see in the OT interpertations. If you don't, then that is up to you.

Actually, the Greek text was done about the same time as Homer wrote the epic of Troy. No one knows for sure but it is clear that God did make all the races before the making of Adam. Adam was placed into a garden to keep him away from the other humans that had been deceived by Satan. It was to be Adam's job to testify to the truth but first he had to prove himself worthy. This same thing was to be done by Abraham and Israel and they have all failed to do so. Now it is up to the 144k to do this job. Problem is, people like you will probably refuse to accept the words of Jesus only as the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Dr. Rich]

Thanks for asking PK, what the verse in Daniel has to do with mixed marriages. I am not sure myself other than it appears that the races will mix with one another (more politically than in marriage) but will not ever bond. Isn't this called "helenistic" like the Greeks did when the took over the world. Did not they accept all races as long as they agreed to unite together in political ways to have have clout over other nations.

Interestingly, the symbol for Greek was a leopard. The first beast of Rev. 13 is like a leopard. Could this be the same as being helenistic? I think so, and we do see this happening right now.

Does this answer your question?

[Gerr]

Daniel 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the SEED of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

This is a good verse to see what is happening today and to understand that God made ALL of the races in the 6 day creation many thousands of years before Adam was formed out of the ground.

Drrrrr. RRRRRichhhhhh!!! You are taking wild liberties with Daniel!!! Where in the Bible does it say that the different races were created separately during the 6 day creation?

[Dr. Rich]

What do the words "seed of man" mean to you? This is plural in that there is more than one seed. When Adam was formed out of the dirt, only ONE person was made. Therefore, the seed of man had to be created in the first creation many years before Adam came along. I was trained as an investigator to look at every piece of evidence. I have found that people who are not trained overlook evidence. We see the same thing in the new TV crime programs.

[Gerr]

Where's that verse again?

[John317]

Ellen White was writing about the children that come from those mixed marriages.

When I was in the army, one of my friends was half white and half black, and he sometimes cried over the things he had been through as a result of his mixed race. He told me that he would not wish his situation on his worst enemy. He said he did not feel accepted by either the whites or the backs.

So it is not that Ellen White or God were (are) against mixed marriages per se but that due to man's inhumanity to man, it produces very tragic situations. It is not that God doesn't love such people but God would have people avoid the misery that many people suffer as a result of mixed marriages.

My own children are half caucasion and half Mexican, but that is different from being half white and half black. My children are fully accepted by both whites and Mexicans. There's no stigma attached to it as there is to being half white and half black. Even today, there are blacks who say that Obama is not "really black" because of his white ancestory. Yet of course he is clearly also not accepted as "white," since he is known as America's "first black President." So while the situation is not as bad as it was in Ellen White's day, it still remains a problem.

[Guest]

Since you and I were not there at creation, everything we have is a theory.

So you finally admit that you exercise faith in order to hold your belief, since there is no proof. That is the only way you can believe in something that there is no proof for. FAITH!

Now was that so hard? I have been trying to get you to see this for a long time. But nooooooo, you would say. I don't need faith.

Next time you doubt me on this, refer back to your own words. "everything we have is a theory"

Even though that statement is not entirely true, it does show that you indeed realize that there is no proof for your beliefs. Hence the absolute necessity of faith.

[John317]

When Adam was formed out of the dirt, only ONE person was made. Therefore, the seed of man had to be created in the first creation many years before Adam came along.

What is the evidence for this? Can you show it scientifically?

[onlyhumanme]

Just to clear up any confusion from Genesis 6:4 the sons of god where from the line of believers in God and the daughters of men were from the line of cain and other non believers, yes they became men of renoun and giants even Nimrod was very tall and did hold much heathen wisdom and status creating babel which was the forerunner to babylon and its pagen worship system.Sometimes the heart of the non believer will in some cases turn away the believer is what was happening as the next line reads in genesis 6:5.

The jewish tradition does hold record that adam and eve did have 97children altogether.

Edit: afterthought, maybe this genetic line came down even to golieth.If your initially thinking the gene might have been destroyed in the flood just remember that Noah was the only righteousman in the boat his sons were followers of him not god and the lord sadly did know of their desire to fullfill the appetites (as Eve with the fruit) and eat animals even after the flood and some departed and went away to dwell in their own land.

disclaimer :just my thoughts or/and best understandings

[John317]

Thanks for your thoughts, onlyhumanme. I think you're right about Gen. 6.

[Dr. Rich]

Yes, I do understand this view too, but when God wrote the ten commandments ONE of them was that we were not to have any other gods other than the God of Creation as God is a jelous God. This shows that there were real gods living at that time who were a mix between humans and demons. Even when Jesus was here there were demons and Satan himself manifested as a human to tempt Jesus. It was not until Jesus rose from the grave that these demons and Satan, as in human form, were thrown in the abyss and now allowed to rome around as before. They are only in spirit form right now and that is why they need a body to dwell in. At the start of the last 5 months of this earth's history, God will unlock the abyss and let Satan and the demons out so that they can appear in human form again.

The Nephilim as the sons of Anak (the Anakkie) were with the heirs of Cain because they were accepted by them as their gods. It was because of all this that God wanted them wiped out and gave this land to Israel and orded ALL of them to be killed by Israel.

This is not only my opinion, but the opinion of many as you can see by doing a search for this on the net.

[Gerr]

And where was that verse again, Rich?

[onlyhumanme]

Should we let our minds wonder at these things or let the bible interpret itself.isaiah 55:8-9

God is the only source of life on this planet he has made ONE BLOOD and determinded the bounds of our habitation for we are HIS OFFSPRING..satan is also under universal grace and the bounds of his limitataion Acts 17:26-27 Rev 16:7

if you dont believe that god is the only sustainer through which life now exists then you might have other false gods or life creators floating around sneeking up on god, his way is from the beginning if not you may also have another bible and new understanding of the commandments(extra book of enoch???).

Psalm 119:160 1 John 4:8 John 8:44 James 4:7

God says to worship him only because he loves each and every one of us and does not wish that anyone should perish as The gift of God only is life the wager of sin is death Romans 6:23 he would take us all if it was our choice for light is jelous or singular as in light is no darkness as light absorbes it all.Ezekial 33:11 2peter 3:9

Satan is Very limited in his imploading Sin empire and although he can decieve, light is also given to everyone that comes into the world.anything that is not from god will take you away from the eternal truths matthew 4:5-6 2peter 2:4

try not to believe other people on their word but humbly council with jesus himself and your bible.

Have a great sabbath mate

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[Igakusei]

I asked Dr. Rich a question earlier, but it seems to have gone unnoticed:

If you think that there were separate human creation events with most of them pre-dating Adam, how do you explain the fact that analysis of human y-chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA shows that all humans living today share both male and female common ancestors?

If your idea is true, this means that all but one of those lines have died out (or married into the others and the unbroken male/female lines were lost), which completely negates the perceived need for your idea.

And before anyone asks, no, they don't point to Adam and Eve.

[wayfinder]

I asked Dr. Rich a question earlier, but it seems to have gone unnoticed:

If you think that there were separate human creation events with most of them pre-dating Adam, how do you explain the fact that analysis of human y-chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA shows that all humans living today share both male and female common ancestors?

If your idea is true, this means that all but one of those lines have died out (or married into the others and the unbroken male/female lines were lost), which completely negates the perceived need for your idea.

And before anyone asks, no, they don't point to Adam and Eve.

I'm not Dr.Rich, but he got the idea from me.

I hope I understand your question correctly, and if so, maybe this will help explain what I understand about creation.

God created everything on this earth over a six, 24hr. day, period. On the sixth day God created the nations/ethnic groups and they were created in the various landmasses on earth. God gave them physical charicteristics to suit their environment.

These ethnic groups had distinct DNA to their group. These beings were not made with preprogrammed knowledge. God sent teachers from heaven to teach mankind what they needed to know to live on the earth, such as, farming, construction, mathmatics.... The one who was placed in charge of all of this was named accordingly, Lucifer (the light/knowledge bringer), but that is another account.

Here is a youtube video that does a good job of showing the high affinity that the racial DNA has for itself.

http://youtu.be/UstIOeLUfNc

Or go to youtube and search (Humane Racial Origins), uploaded by tolerancethroughknow

[onlyhumanme]

Many Bible students have a real problem with interpretation of the Bible because they do not understand the cardinal rules regarding it.

2 Peter 1:20-21.

Isaiah 8:20.

Isaiah 28:10.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

God creating many creatures certainly dosent match up with the accounts given by the bible a basic off the top of my head example is adam named All the animal created not ones on foreign continents. there were also no great oceans in the world before the flood nor high mountains for a covering of water covered the whole earth like a glasshouse no extremes of weather or dry places needing a different skinned man and perhaps even an original earthly rotation of 360days.

Adam and Eve we soley the example of keeping the commandments and were made as a man and a women for an obvious reason so no point if he himself was making millions of humans all over the place.As for genetics just look at Jacob he looked different from his brother same MuM even came out at the same time.

Anyhow... enjoy the sabbath!

[John317]

Before a person will believe that God made two separate groups of humans, one must first give up belief in the Bible--

Acts 17:26

And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,