miz3 Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Is God subject to the Law? If God is subject to the Law then is the Law greater than God? Could it be that God is greater than the Law? Quote
Sonny Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto. [EGW] Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." John 15:10 "I [Jesus] have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love." Quote
cheddar Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I think EGW made some statements where God is above the laws of nature but I don't think she was referring to agape. All the quote rangers out there could probably find them in 3 clicks of a mouse. Quote
skyblue888 Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 God is the law: the law of the Spirit of Life. sky Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
miz3 Posted June 13, 2011 Author Posted June 13, 2011 Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Is there something left out of this quote? Quote
Sonny Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 They are one and the same! Bingo....God is an expression of the spirit of his law! Quote
skyblue888 Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 His life is the law of the universe. God is not only the Originator of all. He is the life of everything that lives. sky Quote "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Members phkrause Posted June 14, 2011 Members Posted June 14, 2011 They are one and the same! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
shelpeare Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 The law is a reflection of God's character just as the moon's light is a reflection of the sun. Which is greater? Without the sun the moon would not be able to give us light. In the same way the law is useless without God as it takes Go'd help to keep it or even know it. God made the law. The law did not make God. Quote
Gustave Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Evidently it is greater then God.... ...Because according to SDA theology if God breaks His law. ...God would loose his salvation and subsequently eternally cease to exist. Quote
Sonny Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Evidently it is greater then God.......Because according to SDA theology if God breaks His law. ...God would loose his salvation and subsequently eternally cease to exist. When someone is tempted, he shouldn't say that God is tempting him. God can't be tempted by sin, and God doesn't tempt anyone. James 1:13 Quote
Overaged Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 All the quote rangers out there could probably find them in 3 clicks of a mouse. Well; The Quote Busters won't miss it when we do. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Overaged Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Is God subject to the Law? If God is subject to the Law then is the Law greater than God? Could it be that God is greater than the Law? I am curious why you would even ask this question in the way you did? Are you saying that God should be able to break His law whenever he wanted because He is "greater" than His law? (Im not saying I agree that He is) Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Moderators John317 Posted June 28, 2011 Moderators Posted June 28, 2011 God and Christ are not subject to law. They made the law and therefore God is greater than all law. However, the law is an expression of God's character, so there is no conflict between God's character and His law. The law was written to meet humankind in our condition. It wasn't written for God. For instance, the law says, "You shall not kill [murder]," but God is able to take human life, and when He does so, it is not "murder." Similarly when Israelites took human life under the command of God, it was never "murder." Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
miz3 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 I am curious why you would even ask this question in the way you did? Are you saying that God should be able to break His law whenever he wanted because He is "greater" than His law? (Im not saying I agree that He is) Actually I am not saying ANYTHING! Usually such questions when answered honestly reveal interesting views of God and the Bible. Quote
Moderators John317 Posted June 28, 2011 Moderators Posted June 28, 2011 Interestingly, Ellen White wrote that Christ was the only one who could come here to live and die to save us because He alone was not subject to law. All of the angels and other created beings are subject to law, but Christ, the Creator, is not. He is above law since He made it. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
miz3 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 Do you have that quote handy so you could cite it to us by posing it? Not just the reference but the actual statement. I think that would be interesting. At least to me it would be interesting. Quote
Sonny Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Interestingly, Ellen White wrote that Christ was the only one who could come here to live and die to save us because He alone was not subject to law. Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law,.... Quote
Sonny Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 God and Christ are not subject to law. They made the law and therefore God is greater than all law. However, the law is an expression of God's character, so there is no conflict between God's character and His law. The law was written to meet humankind in our condition. It wasn't written for God. Sounds like Washington & our leaders. They make the rules for us, but they consider themselves exempt. The Bible states that "love, is not self-seeking". The Greek for love is agape. The Bible also tells us that "God is love". Compared to each other we get, "God, is not self-seeking". And EGW agrees: It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto. The source of agape - a love that is not self-seeking - comes from God. Agape, we are told, is the fulfillment of the law. So I don't think you can infer that God can do what He wants - that He is above His law. His law is a mere expression of His love. Now "yes", the Ten Commandments don't all apply to God. I.E., the first four. Also, “Honor your father and your mother" does not apply because God has no mother or father. Yet the principle is there....If God did have a father and mother He would honor them. “You shall not murder" applies to God. It's not in His nature to murder. “You shall not commit adultery" doesn't apply to God because He isn't a sexual being. “You shall not steal" doesn't apply to God because He made everything. But at the same time God does not think selfishly...Like "that's mine". He lives to serve..... “You shall not give false testimony" applies to God. "God cannot lie" "You shall not covet" does apply to God because coveting and self-seeking are one and the same. Quote
Dr. Rich Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Is God subject to the Law? If God is subject to the Law then is the Law greater than God? Could it be that God is greater than the Law? What a stupid question! The "Law" is a COVENANT between Him and those of us humans who want this God to be their God. Period! Have you ever read it? If so, then tell me please, how could God be above the Covenant when it was He who established the agreement? Your question reminds me of all the stupid police, attorneys and judges who have no idea what the Constitution of the United States really says! Quote
Dr. Rich Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which "seeketh not her own" has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto. [EGW] Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." John 15:10 "I [Jesus] have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love." What Paul wrote in Gal. 5:14 is clearly a lie, but for those who have never even bothered to read it themselves, they take what Paul said as the truth. Paul intended to leave out the first four Commandments on purpose. Why, because Paul's god was not the one who established this covenant. Quote
Sonny Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 What Paul wrote in Gal. 5:14 is clearly a lie.... Why worry about the first four when you are keeping the last six - especially the spirit of the law? Again, to those who think that they are righteous, then I say live Christ's life: "Jesus...thought not, planned not, lived not, for himself." Are you doing this, Rich? Quote
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