Is salvation the whole purpose?

[Q.E.D.]

Also since I am fairly sure BibleOnly has never read EGW the letters GC would not mean a lot. Tis only fair to be clear to that person where you are quoting from.

[Woody]

Quote:

"Why not throw out EGW stuff at a non Adventist?".

WHY? Because our prophet herself instructed us NOT to.

If one respects her and accepts her counsel - then you should not do this.

She also stated we should not do things because Mrs.White says this or Mrs. White says that. It would be a worthless religion if we did that.

No. She even states that she should not be quoted from the pulpit.

So - now you know - Go forth and bless others with the Bible and the Bible ONLY.

[Q.E.D.]

Well. I hate to burst the bubble but no.

I was not 100% sure

[M. T. Cross]

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

Also since I am fairly sure BibleOnly has never read EGW the letters GC would not mean a lot. Tis only fair to be clear to that person where you are quoting from.

Methinks if BibleOnly wanted to know where the quote was from they would be man enough to ask straight out without the aid of the "Source Quote Police" here.

I was not trying to hide the source of the quote in case you were thinking that, otherwise I would have left of the "GC" and then a few like BibleOnly MIGHT have thought it was my opinion.

"Tis only fair"??? What do you think this is? A game of volley ball?

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

People could say it is just EGW's opinion just as much as they could say it was your opinion.

Yes, they could say Ellen G. Whites opinion is no more valid than mine, BUT the Holy Spirit directly inspired Ellen Whites writings so methinks that THEY are infinitely more valuable than my slightly morose ramblings.

Q.E.D.

OK you win. Game match point.

I was actually trying to suggest a way you could get your point across in a more effective manner. Sorry.

I have to say however its nice to see you actually posting your own thoughts rather than quotes from different sources. Good on ya.

[BobRyan]

Jesus died before AD 34, however John wrote about it well after AD 34. If John believed as you do about the nation being rejected in AD 34, why would he go out of his way to point out Caiaphas made a true prediction about Jesus dying for the nation, if that nation was already no longer relevant at the time of the writing? When he wrote (after AD 34) John still believed that the nation was significant in the regathering prophesied by the Old Testament prophets.

John had no need to lie about what the high priest said and also had no need to pretend that the nation of Israel was already ended before the cross.

I don't see how your argument above holds up.

Jesus' death was given to save not only the nation -- but all of mankind, the whole world. "Whosoever will".

in Christ,

Bob

[M. T. Cross]

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

Well. I hate to burst the bubble but no.

I was not 100% sure

Yeah, right.

To know me is to love me.

Q.E.D.

Glad you saw the truth there.

I do love ya Q.E.D. Thats why I wanted to be sure of what I was talking about first.

[Overaged]

Depending on the context, GC can also mean "General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists".

It could also mean "Gone Camping" or "Gone Crazy"

[ClubV12]

"Quote Police" checking in here.

Woodys comment about Sister White saying we should not quote her is out of context.

...don't make me issue a ticket here, this is just a warning, further infractions and well,,, you can talk to the Judge about it.

[Overaged]

"I asked politely." I don't play games. Most Seventh-day Adventists would immediately know it was written by Ellen G. White from the style and content, ESPECIALLY when they saw the (GC11, 22-23) at the end of the quote. Don't play dumb.

[BibleOnly]

"...the second she is used to bolster a point,..."

She is a profound author, a serious student of the bible, she has excellent counsel to offer on many and varied subjects.

*sigh* naturally, I do read books apart from the bible. The answer to the question 'how much study have I done' is really irrelevant, but it's not the answer you imply. Nevertheless, you SHOULD think 'who is this person', when you read me or EW, or anyone else. you should never assume that anyone can trump the Bible and always refer to scripture as your primary source.

[BibleOnly]

Originally Posted By: Ron Amnsn

Jesus died before AD 34, however John wrote about it well after AD 34. If John believed as you do about the nation being rejected in AD 34, why would he go out of his way to point out Caiaphas made a true prediction about Jesus dying for the nation, if that nation was already no longer relevant at the time of the writing? When he wrote (after AD 34) John still believed that the nation was significant in the regathering prophesied by the Old Testament prophets.

John had no need to lie about what the high priest said and also had no need to pretend that the nation of Israel was already ended before the cross.

I don't see how your argument above holds up.

Jesus' death was given to save not only the nation -- but all of mankind, the whole world. "Whosoever will".

in Christ,

Bob

Correct, and 'salvation' means to be part of the body of people who rise to meet Jesus in the air, and go on to restore Israel.

[Q.E.D.]

Yes, they could say Ellen G. Whites opinion is no more valid than mine, BUT the Holy Spirit directly inspired Ellen Whites writings so methinks that THEY are infinitely more valuable than my slightly morose ramblings.

Q.E.D.

[whatisthis]

We were ALL predestined to be saved. Our Savior made the plan for us. ALL we have to do is accept it.

Well, I don't know how to use these posting icons but this is great, Woody, and I'd like to give you a thumbs up!

The controversy is that there are all kinds of earthly plans to take away this hope from us. We get to trust in the dark, when we can't see. What a gift to give God. It doesn't make me a pawn to get to trust in HIM, it means I get to do this wonderful thing by His grace and because I can see only His love shines in this dark world, and when the darkness is gone, the love will stand, still.

[BibleOnly]

I really don't need any suggestions at all in getting my "point across in a more effective manner".

I beg to differ

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

We were ALL predestined to be saved. Our Savior made the plan for us. ALL we have to do is accept it.

Well, I don't know how to use these posting icons but this is great, Woody, and I'd like to give you a thumbs up!

The controversy is that there are all kinds of earthly plans to take away this hope from us. We get to trust in the dark, when we can't see. What a gift to give God. It doesn't make me a pawn to get to trust in HIM, it means I get to do this wonderful thing by His grace and because I can see only His love shines in this dark world, and when the darkness is gone, the love will stand, still.

[Overaged]

Originally Posted By: Overaged

It's just that conversely; I would say that this is an Adventist board, so you sort of have to expect a bit of it.

The issue you need to understand is

That's not in the Bible - that I need to understand that.

[M. T. Cross]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

Yes, they could say Ellen G. Whites opinion is no more valid than mine, BUT the Holy Spirit directly inspired Ellen Whites writings so methinks that THEY are infinitely more valuable than my slightly morose ramblings.

Q.E.D.

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

OK you win. Game match point.

I was actually trying to suggest a way you could get your point across in a more effective manner. Sorry.

I have to say however its nice to see you actually posting your own thoughts rather than quotes from different sources. Good on ya.

Sorry, but I may have given you a wrong impression. I really don't need any suggestions at all in getting my "point across in a more effective manner".

And I am glad to hear that you approve of the posting of my own thoughts rather than quotes from different sources. That comforts me to no end.

"Can't we all get along?" Rodney King after the Los Angeles riots. May 1, 1992

Q.E.D.

Hold still there friend.

there - I got that chip off of your shoulder. You should be good to go now.

Peace my friend.

[Q.E.D.]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

"I asked politely." I don't play games. Most Seventh-day Adventists would immediately know it was written by Ellen G. White from the style and content, ESPECIALLY when they saw the (GC11, 22-23) at the end of the quote. Don't play dumb.

Relax; EC doesn't play games either. He did nothing wrong by seeking clarification.

Quote:

You asked and you knew the answer. You just wanted to attack Ellen White as non-viable. And no thanks to your "deep breaths" condescension. Q.E.D.

It may be that he has been given a skewered picture of EGW by "true Adventists;" but again; he is doing nothing wrong by challenging and questioning.

Your bolded red internet yelling is a strange way to portray "asking politely."

And Q.E.D. is doing nothing wrong in seeing through thinly veiled condescension and self-importance.

Sorry Overaged, but you have apparently mistaken Q.E.D. for EmptyCross because I have not “asked politely” a single thing. It was EmptyCross that made the claim that they “asked politely”.

Q.E.D.

[ClubV12]

Woody says,

"We were ALL predestined to be saved."

Talk about not being able to get your point across....

Some will without a doubt take that to confirm their theology of predestination and theres not a thing you can do to change it.

Some will see the "accept it" part and understand that most folks WON'T accept it because they will decided it's to hard to follow God. That "sin" in inevitable and there lost, no matter what.

The more I read that statement, the more confusing it becomes.

Whatever anyone THINKS it means, know this: We each need to WORK OUT our own salvation with fear and trembling. There IS a heaven to win and a hell to loose, and "predistination" is just another lie.

[Q.E.D.]

Originally Posted By: ClubV12

"...the second she is used to bolster a point,..."

She is a profound author, a serious student of the bible, she has excellent counsel to offer on many and varied subjects.

*sigh* naturally, I do read books apart from the bible. The answer to the question 'how much study have I done' is really irrelevant, but it's not the answer you imply. Nevertheless, you SHOULD think 'who is this person', when you read me or EW, or anyone else. you should never assume that anyone can trump the Bible and always refer to scripture as your primary source.

Thanks BibleOnly for pretending to "educate" Seventh-day Adventists in the ways of critical thinking. . .

Q.E.D.

[Q.E.D.]

"Can't we all get along?" Rodney King after the Los Angeles riots. May 1, 1992

Q.E.D.

[Q.E.D.]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

I really don't need any suggestions at all in getting my "point across in a more effective manner".

I beg to differ

Here Kitty, Kitty. . . Don't be afraid. . .

Q.E.D.

[Woody]

Haven't followed this thread completely. But the whole purpose is to Glorify God. And then to be with the one we love.

[Woody]

"Quote Police" checking in here.

Woodys comment about Sister White saying we should not quote her is out of context.

...don't make me issue a ticket here, this is just a warning, further infractions and well,,, you can talk to the Judge about it.

Context is in the eye of the beholder friend. You are free to add yours if you like. I think I am spot on. But would love to hear your idea.

[Guest]