12tribes Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Has anyone ever seen you in vision? And do your visions match the Biblical description as did EGW where there is no breathing and supernatural strength? Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 Two times I had witnesses. The first was on 9/11, 2001 when I saw the second plane slam into the world trade Center, that was in front of my Father. While seeing what was happening in heaven (Jesus crying, my blood my blood, my servants haven't been sealed yet..."), I walked to the double French doors out to the balcony and opened it, in my Fathers apartment, looking into heaven in my heart at the same time. My Father said he was sure something was going on, but was diverted to what was happening on TV. So many things happened that day that intimately connected me. A man died in my arms that morning after trying to help him because of a bad motor cycle accident. My mom was supposed to be on flight 11 from Boston (the one I saw slam into the 2nd tower) but didn't get to go because she got called from her work right before (miracle). The only one of the terrorists that didn't get on his flight, Zacarias Moussaoui was caught and held here in Sherburne County in the jail right across from my home in Minnesota etc etc etc. The second witness was on the phone; it was when Obama was elected president and I heard the Still Small voice repeat "when they cry peace and safety then sudden destruction comes", but that was different. When this happened it caused him to make connections in understanding that changed his life. There has been only one time I was taken up in the Spirit, The other visions I had were alone, but it felt like I walked into a meeting...you know? Two places at once. The big things I have been shown are for others to experience too. What I'm going through is like being able to open a gate for others. It's not like I'm the only one God wants to see these things I can assure everyone of that. In the time I was taken up in the Spirit, I had just committed a sin and was on my knees repenting looking up in the dark Alaskan night sky towards the Belt in Orion to the west. I was pleading with the Father "how can you save me if I keep doing what I know is wrong?" Then immediately I was taken up. I looked up and I saw a group of men in the sky dressed all in white. They were looking towards me and pointing up to Jesus high above to their right. I flew to Him and through Him, I could see forever, perfect beauty, but I looked down and saw spots on my garment. Then immediately I was back on the cold Alaskan ground. I pleaded with the Father to bring me back and asked how can I make it if I always fail? Then I heard the voice that sounded like many waters. Every word was like a library of words. He said "First you must be forgiven, then, you must forgive yourself". The he said "But you must hurry and immediately the sky to the west was a solid wall of boiling blackness coming straight for me. Then I came out of the vision. This is the first time I have written that vision but I have shared it with my brothers many times over the last ten years. This vision was in 1999. The next vision was on 9/11 2001.
12tribes Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 That still does not answer my question about not breathing and supernatural strength Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 That still does not answer my question about not breathing and supernatural strength Sorry I don't have a handbook on how to have visions or anything. All I know is, in my first God given dream I was on a train heading to destruction and got off the train and went on a journey, then a month later after the dream, I read about Mrs. Whites vision of a train heading to destruction and since then I have had 17 years to be shown exactly what her dream meant in connection to scripture. Now every element of my first dream is fulfilled except the end when I walked into a field of wheat and there was a sliver of the sun left over the horizon spilling golden light over the field, and I heard the same still small voice that led me to the Sabbath weeks earlier say, "the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few" then I woke up. If you had seen what I have seen, and been led to this church by the same kind of passionate love, you wouldn't be asking such silly questions. If you believe that supernatural strength and not breathing is a supernaturally mandated requirement to having visions or dreams then I hate to let you down. But if you would actually like to validate what is said with what is read in scripture then you might learn something. Peace in Jesus name amen.
12tribes Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Why do you think they are silly questions? Would you prefer I have blind faith? Go to this site Tests of a prophets Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Twilight II Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Has anyone ever seen you in vision? And do your visions match the Biblical description as did EGW where there is no breathing and supernatural strength? Ellen White did not always have this type of manifestation when in vision. Her experience should not be the test. The bible is the test first and foremost. Then it is the fruits of that vision in the persons life. We must be careful not to force a narrow definition on the subject that is incorrect in its requirements.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 Originally Posted By: 12tribes Has anyone ever seen you in vision? And do your visions match the Biblical description as did EGW where there is no breathing and supernatural strength? Ellen White did not always have this type of manifestation when in vision. Her experience should not be the test. The bible is the test first and foremost. Then it is the fruits of that vision in the persons life. We must be careful not to force a narrow definition on the subject that is incorrect in its requirements. This is exactly correct. Thank you Jesus.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 When John the Revelator was on the Isle of Patmos writing Revelation, the most powerful revealing of the love of Christ in vision, no one was there to witness him being taken in the Spirit or see him hold a 50 lb scroll for an hour without breathing. But what he wrote made his enemies in Rome hold their breaths I can tell you that. What I saw, God wants everyone to see...that's all I know.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Jameson's 'case' more than anything else again illustrated and proved for me the Seventh-day Adventist's complete ignorance about and avoidance and evasion of Christ's Resurrection in all its aspects of impact on and meaning and worth for Christian faith. Praise God! He had shown me that you aren't even a true Seventh Day Adventist and you just proved it. Why are you here? To cause dissension in the rinks right? You know how many half believers there are in our church? Get thee behind my Lord Satan.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Just how quickly can a man's attitude change ...?! Have I at any point pretended to be a Seventh-day Adventist? Will this then be your answer to every critique of your views or 'visions'? Most definitely, "here are they who keep the testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of Prophecy". You don't even know how destructive what you say out of the Spirit is to Jesus' true end time church. This is exactly why our church is being torn to shreds by the enemy, because of half converted souls causing confusion. People like you are in the Spirit that is shaking our church to it's foundation. You think this is a game to play? to argue against the Advent Faith on an Advent board? Do you outwardly let people know you are anti- Adventist? Why are you here? You know how creepy this is? How are the brethren to know if you're not a Jesuit priest causing confusion? Please don't comment on my posts any more. Thank you.
jasd Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 >>Get thee behind my Lord Satan.<< Errr..., not a Satanist, eh? :(
12tribes Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: Seventh Day Jameson's 'case' more than anything else again illustrated and proved for me the Seventh-day Adventist's complete ignorance about and avoidance and evasion of Christ's Resurrection in all its aspects of impact on and meaning and worth for Christian faith. Praise God! He had shown me that you aren't even a true Seventh Day Adventist and you just proved it. Why are you here? To cause dissension in the rinks right? You know how many half believers there are in our church? Get thee behind my Lord Satan. Have you only just learned that there are non SDA on this site? Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
12tribes Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Originally Posted By: 12tribes Have you only just learned that there are non SDA on this site? SD: By the way, my name is - or should be - on the Seventh-day Adventist Church 'books'. And until such time as 'they' deal with my 'case' according to the Scriptures and or Mrs White's instructions, I will - like Paul insisted he was a Roman - insist I am a Seventh-day Adventist. ... for fifty years now have I waited .... PS I see 'Brother James' didn't notice the typo ... so I assume it will stay there for as long as internet will stay. My, o my!!! That is good I do not know your circumstances but I did not like what James said Galatians 3:29(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 Errr..., not a Satanist, eh? Get thee behind my Lord, Satan Is that better?
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 I know we are parting ways, but when Pope Benedict dies and Satan reveals himself as an angel of light before the whole world...The blood will drain from your faces...and your knees will knock, and you will plead for God to forgive you, but your hearts will not be prepared for what we are about to go through. The writing will be on the wall that you are weighed in the balances and found wanting. For those who have a little hope in the word of God the Spirit of Prophecy, you will rejoice at that moment. Praise the God of heaven. Amen.
jasd Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Quote: Quote: Quote:jamesonofthunderGet thee behind my Lord Satan. Quote:jasd Errr..., not a Satanist, eh? >>Get thee behind my Lord, Satan Is that better?<< Well, yeah... Upon my seeing the original –it begged to be cast into the reverberator – and what I posted is how it emerged. If I can find some old vacuum tubes... mebbe, I just oughta tweak my reverberator a bit. ;-)
jamesonofthunder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 By the way, my name is - or should be - on the Seventh-day Adventist Church 'books'. And until such time as 'they' deal with my 'case' according to the Scriptures and or Mrs White's instructions, I will - like Paul insisted he was a Roman - insist I am a Seventh-day Adventist. ... for fifty years now have I waited ...
jasd Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 >>...when Pope Benedict dies and Satan reveals himself as an angel of light before the whole world...<< At that point?—ya’think? Well then, hail and hearty long life Bene!—let Satan be forestalled. >>The blood will drain from your faces...and your knees will knock, and you will plead for God to forgive you, but your hearts will not be prepared for what we are about to go through.<< Indeed, don’t take much to drain the blood from my face or my knees to knock. Then again, don’t take much to turn me livid also. Per ‘forgiveness’, I plead every day... no need to wait for Bene to die. >>The writing will be on the wall that you are weighed in the balances and found wanting.<< That’s when the Pope dies and Satan appears? OY! Anytheways, you don’t think that that’s a bit presumptuous – to be making that sort of indictment against a member of this forum? >>For those who have a little hope in the word of God the Spirit of Prophecy, you will rejoice at that moment.<< To see our friends and relatives “go through” what you allude? >>Praise the God of heaven. Amen.<< All praise, honour, and glory... Verily, verily and allelujah! Let us therefore be humble and not short the measure of charity we mete out to others - nor let the voice of disdain be ours.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 NO atonement for sin was achieved through the sacrifice of the red heifer! Its sacrifice and burning was not done on any altar of the LORD; Nothing of the heifer reached as far as into the sanctuary where alone, atonement and reconciliation were made. The heifer was sacrificed for UNKNOWN, and DENIED, sins, Deuteronomy 21. NOT for repented and confessed sins. “Lay not INNOCENT blood unto thy people!” With sacrificing this heifer we “put away the guilt of INNOCENT blood from among (us)”. So you think we can be allowed into the kingdom of heaven without being shown every one of our sins? God is going to say to the people who denied committing sins, "come on in, it doesn't matter"? But You brought up something that is close to the truth. The reason female sacrifices were instituted was for the sins of the common people. Sin came into the world through the woman (the church is also symbolized as a woman) and because of this there were sacrifices that deal specifically with the sins of the people. Jesus had not sinned. But he still fulfilled the redemption of their sins ONLY if He could bring them to our minds. Thats why these sacrifices have clauses attached that say; “If anyone of the common people sins unintentionally in doing any one of the things that by the LORD's commandments ought not to be done, and realizes his guilt, 28 or the sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering... a female without blemish, for his sin which he has committed." The Red Heifer ceremony was done "as a cleansing from sin" as Mrs. White put it. Are you saying you know more about this than her? Are you not a seventh day adventist? Do you not believe in the Spirit of Prophecy? The Red Heifer was to be without defect...like Jesus, not like those who had committed unknown sins or denied sins. It also was to never have had a yoke upon it's neck...symbolic of the Fact that Jesus was above the law, His law. The ones that HE proclaimed from Mt. Sinai. The purpose of this writing is to show that we need to see how this sacrifice was completed in the life of Christ, because He fulfilled EVERY sacrifice. He took our sins which He did not commit or deserve, willingly upon His head and fulfilled the Red Heifer sacrifice in the Garden of Gethsemane. My hope was for people to see that we need to come in faith to the Garden and see what EVERY one of our sins did to the Lord when He received them. Then, while the deepest soul searching is taking place while witnessing (every eye of Jerusalem was watching the event when The Red Heifer was sacrificed)Jesus cut off from the Father, He can reveal even the sins that we committed that we didn't realize. Every person will be asking his brother "is my robe clean"? This includes the sins that we didn't know we did, but this kind of searching reveals those sins so we may confess and be forgiven for them as David prayed. Then we are in the body of Christ and the rest of the Atonement sacrifices can be applied to us.
jamesonofthunder Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Zechariah 3 A Vision of Joshua the High Priest 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. 2 And the LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, O Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?” 3 Now Joshua was standing before the angel, clothed with filthy garments. 4 And the angel said to those who were standing before him, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” And to him he said, “Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments.” 5 And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.” So they put a clean turban on his head and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD was standing by. 6 And the angel of the LORD solemnly assured Joshua, 7 “Thus says the LORD of hosts: If you will walk in my ways and keep my charge, then you shall rule my house and have charge of my courts, and I will give you the right of access among those who are standing here. 8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men who are a sign: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch. 9 For behold, on the stone that I have set before Joshua, on a single stone with seven eyes, I will engrave its inscription, declares the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of this land in a single day (Gethsemane). 10 In that day, declares the LORD of hosts, every one of you will invite his neighbor to come under his vine and under his fig tree.”
jamesonofthunder Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 “Major point of interest; the word ‘Gethsemane’ literally means ‘Olive Press’.” [sD: Young’s AC, “wine-press” and “olive farm”.] You must have looked long and hard to find a source to contradict this understanding because every source I have read about the meaning of Gethsemane says this... Encyclopedia Britannica; the word "Gethsemane" is derived from the Hebrew "gat shemanim" which means "oil press" - the implication being that the garden was in fact an olive grove...
Lysimachus Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 James, When you have visions, do you lose your strength, and become weak, then rise up again with super-human strength, and do you not breathe the whole time you are in vision, and are your eyes wide open? Or are you talking about "dreams"? There is a big difference between a dream and a vision. Also, do you have any witnesses that have seen you in vision, and who are these people? Have you gone into vision in front of other people to testify that this is true? "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. " (2 Cor 3:1) I'm not trying to be negative, but when you make these claims, that is a very big claim. And it must be established by enough witnesses, and the visions you experience must meet all the above characteristics. God bless, Marcos ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
jamesonofthunder Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Hi Marcos I have had dreams, visions and impressions. Every one has or is coming true or lead me to a more perfect understanding of Scripture which is the main intent. To bring us closer to God by a more complete knowledge of His glory. I have had witnesses, my father was there for one and my friend Scotty was there for another. But the scripture that you quoted Brother, has more to do with the bible supporting what is being said. It is actually 2 Corinthians 13:1 2 Corinthians 13 (Young's literal translation) 1This third time do I come unto you; on the mouth of two witnesses or three shall every saying be established; 2 Corinthians 13 (American Standard Version) 1 This is the third time I am coming to you. At the mouth of two witnesses or three shall every word established. Paul is reiterating a third time what he said before. So he is saying "this third time that I'm writing to you about this subject proves this is true" So by that definition I have many many witnesses because the bible supports in many ways the visions and dreams.
Lysimachus Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 SD: Just how quickly can a man's attitude change ...?! Have I at any point pretended to be a Seventh-day Adventist? Will this then be your answer to every critique of your views or 'visions'? When you put your name as "Seventh Day", you are being deceptive, pretending to be a true Seventh-Day Adventist. If you are not an true Seventh-Day Adventist at heart, you are no different than a Sunday Keeper who rejects the Sabbath in the eyes of the Lord. ~Lysimachus (Marcos S.) Author of article, Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation (see attachment for article) Currently writing a book, Vindicating the Historical School of Prophetic Interpretation Founder of the largest and fastest SDA Apologetics Group on Facebook, Seventh-Day Adventism - Defending the Pillars of the Faith Writer and apologetics contributor at Adventist Defense League Vindicating the Year-Day Principle of Prophetic Interpretation.pdf
jamesonofthunder Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Originally Posted By: Seventh Day SD: Just how quickly can a man's attitude change ...?! Have I at any point pretended to be a Seventh-day Adventist? Will this then be your answer to every critique of your views or 'visions'? When you put your name as "Seventh Day", you are being deceptive, pretending to be a true Seventh-Day Adventist. If you are not an true Seventh-Day Adventist at heart, you are no different than a Sunday Keeper who rejects the Sabbath in the eyes of the Lord. Amen, thank God he is not deceiving everyone.
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