Sept. 11, 2001, The Day God Held the Four Winds.

[jamesonofthunder]

Introduction;

‘I saw four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and were on their way to accomplish it. Jesus was clothed with priestly garments. He gazed in pity on the remnant, then raised His hands, and with a voice of deep pity cried, "My blood, Father, My blood! My blood! My blood!" Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from God, who sat upon the great white throne, and was shed all about Jesus. Then I saw an angel fly with a commission from Jesus, swiftly flying to the four angels who had a work to do in the earth, and waving something up and down in his hand, and crying with a loud voice, "Hold! hold! hold! hold! until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads." I asked my accompanying angel the meaning of what I heard, and what the four angels were about to do. He said to me that it was God that restrained the powers, and that He gave His angels charge over things on the earth; that the four angels had power from God to hold the four winds, and that they were about to let them go; but while their hands were loosening, and the four winds were about to blow, the merciful eye of Jesus gazed on the remnant that were not sealed, and He raised His hands to the Father, and pleaded with Him that He had spilled His blood for them. Then another angel was commissioned to fly swiftly to the four angels, and bid them hold, until the servants of God were sealed with the seal of the living God in their foreheads.’ (See Rev. 7; 1) Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White (1922), page 102, paragraph 2.

On September 11, 2001, while standing in my fathers living room watching the second Jet slam into the second tower in New York City’s World Trade Center on TV, I saw this vision in my own head. I know it was from God. He allowed me to see this event, foretold by the Spirit of Prophecy 90 years earlier, at the exact moment that it occurred in heaven. This led me to other prophecies that amplify exactly what happened that day and illustrate how close we are to the second coming of Christ. This vision gave me a clue that tied what I had already been taught by scripture, and dreams I had already received, together perfectly. This is how Our Lord teaches me. By following His clues, He sends me on a journey of discovery, and I want to share the amazing things our Lord led me to, through the Spirit of Prophecy after receiving this vision.

I hope you will be blessed in the name of Jesus, to see how close to the end we really are, because as of September 11th, 2001, we are living on borrowed time.

Chapter 1; The Argument

Several papers, and the Seventh Day Adventist church in general, dispute the claims that the Spirit of Prophecy foretold the events of 9/11. Shame on them.

On the subject of New York City many have argued that Ellen white said; “I have no light in particular in regard to what is coming on New York, only that I know that one day the great buildings there will be thrown down by the turning and overturning of God's power. . . . Death will come in all places. This is why I am so anxious for our cities to be warned.” End Time Events, July 5, 1906.

This disclaimer was cited from the ‘Ellen White Estate; official website’ in a paper entitled ‘Conflicts of the last days’ with the preface; ‘Contrary to unsubstantiated reports, Ellen White made no prediction concerning the destruction of a twin-towered building in New York or any other place in the world… This paper was written in the wake of the overwhelming response to people searching the E.G.W. writings for prophetic answers to the events of September 11, 2001.’

Their argument would be significant if it weren’t for the fact that this quote is but a snippet of what the total original text says. This first prophetic writing about New York in its entirety states;

‘How comes the word that I have declared that New York is to be swept away by a tidal wave? This I have never said. I have said, as I looked at the great buildings going up there, story after story, “What terrible scenes will take place when the Lord shall arise to shake terribly the earth! Then the words of Revelation 18:1-3 will be fulfilled.” The whole of the eighteenth chapter of Revelation is a warning of what is coming on the earth. But I have no light in particular in regard to what is coming on New York, only that I know that one day the great buildings there will be thrown down by the turning and overturning of God's power. From the light given me, I know that destruction is in the world. One word from the Lord, one touch of his mighty power, and these massive structures will fall. Scenes will take place the fearfulness of which we can not imagine.’

{Review and Herald, July 5, 1906}

Compare this statement to the previous. When looking at the whole quote it’s easy to see important elements that would be missed otherwise. Two other writings concerning New York directly and indirectly will be addressed in the order which they were written later in this report. In this, the first statement written July 5, 1906 we find four important points to explore;

First; she was addressing false statements claiming she predicted New York was to be "destroyed by a tidal wave". She obviously had commented to someone about an earlier impression concerning New Yorks buildings falling down and the fulfillment of Revelation Chapter 18. She was shown a connection, it just wasn’t the one that was quoted her from others. In other words, she saw the buildings thrown down, but didn't see "in particular ... what is coming" to do the work. Since we find in the quoted text, Revelation 18; 21 ‘And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all”.’ It is easy to see how someone could have drawn the conclusion of a tidal wave, but it was the wrong conclusion. She didn’t see exactly what was going to cause the destruction.

Second; she was looking at the buildings going up in New York saying “what terrible scenes will take place when the Lord shall arise to shake terribly the earth”. This is to say, when the buildings would be “thrown down”, the event would be a signal that the ‘shaking’ would intensify, and everything that can be shaken will be shaken. “For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, surely in that day there shall be a great shaking...” Ezekiel 38:19.

‘I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness of the Laodiceans. My attention was then turned to the company I had seen who were mightily shaken. . . . The company of guardian angels around them had been doubled, and they were clothed with an armor from their head to their feet. . . . I heard those clothed with the armor speak forth the truth with great power. It had effect....I asked what had made this great change. An angel answered, "It is the latter rain, the refreshing from the presence of the Lord, the loud cry of the third angel”.’ Maranatha, Page 202

Notice how the 'Shaking' precedes the 'Loud Cry of the Third Angels Message' in this quote from the Spirit of Prophecy?

What does the destruction of the buildings in New York have to do with the third angel’s message? It has everything to do with it, as will be soon shown.

Third; As shown by the second point, the "mighty shaking" precedes the "loud cry of the third angel’s message". This first New York vision also supports this bridge between these two events, where she recorded that after the shaking, “then the words of Revelation 18:1-3 will be fulfilled.”

Rev 18 is called 'the loud cry of the three angels message', quoted here ...

1: ‘After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor.

2: With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.

3For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth (world trade center) grew rich from her excessive luxuries".’ Revelation 18; 1-3.

This is the amplified version of the "three angels message" which was originally proclaimed in Revelation 14 without the mention of demonic apparitions. The original message began back in the days of the pioneers of the 1844 advent movement, but the amplified version occurs after the shaking of God’s remnant people.

Mrs. White illustrated the swelling of the third angels message between the time period of Revelation 14; 9 and Revelation 18; 1-3 in an article printed in ‘The Gospel Herald’ and concluded with this statement;

“We are in danger of giving this message in so indefinite a manner that it does not impress the people. . . . Our warfare is aggressive. Tremendous issues are before us, yea, and right upon us. Let our prayers ascend to God that the four angels may be commissioned to hold the four winds, (see intro) that they may not blow to injure or destroy until the last warning has been given to the world.” The Gospel Herald, March 1, 1900, paragraph 4.

The fourth point; is there any significance to the words chosen when she stated these will be ‘thrown down by the turning and overturning of God’s power’?

I was led to scripture for the answer; it is found in Judges 7:13. "And when Gideon had (secretly) come, there was a (Midianite) man telling a dream to his companion. He said, “I have had a dream: To my surprise, a loaf of barley bread tumbled into the camp of Midian; it came to a tent and struck it so that it fell and overturned, and the tent collapsed”.

In the very next chapter of Judges, verse 17 we find the fulfillment of the dream;

"...then he (Gideon) tore down the tower of Penuel and killed the men of the city."

The tower wasn’t in the camp of the Midianites, where Gideon went to battle that night. It was in the city of Penuel, who had sympathetic relations with the tribes of Midian and denied the sword of the Lord, and Gideon, not providing support for God's army. The Barley loaf rolled through the camp of Midian, and struck the tower of the traitors in Penuel!

The towers of New York were not in ‘Babylon’ for we know that term scripturally is mainly used for the Papacy and the fallen churches, but they stood in a town highly controlled by and sympathetic to the Harlot of Rome, full of the 'daughters' or fallen churches that adhere to her doctrines and fornicate with the kings of the earth.

Saint Peters Cathedral, the oldest Catholic parish in New York (cornerstone laid in 1786), in the shadow of the World Trade Center, was only slightly damaged by the landing gear of one of the planes, which fell through the roof and landed before their altar. The strongest representatives for the Papacy in America are in the Archdiocese of New York, and the last Archbishop of New York, Cardinal ‘O Connor, orchestrated the ecumenical movement uniting the Lutheran and Evangelical Protestants with the Papacy.

(See. http://www.leaderu.com/ect/ectmenu.html, http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontif...aration_en.html )

This Ecumenical agreement was the beginning of the fulfillment of this writing from the Spirit of Prophecy;

‘When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near.’

{Testimonies for the Church, Volume Five, page 451, paragraph 1, Chapter Title: The Coming Crisis}

Here’s food for thought. The ‘tower’ of Penuel was built on the place that Jacob had wrestled with the LORD and said “I have seen God face to face”, Penuel means ‘Face of God’. This was the time of Jacobs trouble.

The whole story of Gideon and the army that God called to destroy His enemies is full of end time imagery. So full in fact one could write a whole book on the parallels between Gideon’s Army and the 144,000. Just a few will be addressed here.

What was the sign that God gave Gideon as to who He wanted in His army? “Everyone who laps from the water with his tongue, as a dog laps, you shall set apart by himself” (Judges 7; 5). Just as the 144,000 have the same characteristics as the 300, In the same respect those that God wants in His end time army also have the character of the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15; 21-28. who after pursuing the LORD relentlessly and being tested by Him then answered…“Yes Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith!” They understand that they are dust and have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

What 3 instruments did Gideon give to the 300 men?

1. A trumpet; warning of the end of judgment.

2. A potters vessel; that they were to smash as in Isaiah 30; 14. This signifies the professed church having been judged. Isaiah 30 also was quoted to Mrs. White in the next vision about New York.

3. And lamps; like the five wise virgins who have an extra measure of oil and awake from their slumber (see; Red Heifer vision) full of the Holy Spirit.

They even pursued their enemies to the river Jordon, which is a symbol for death.

Chapter 2: The Second Vision

The second vision Mrs. White had about 9/11 was dated August 23, 1906, in which she stated;

‘In the night I was, I thought, in a room but not in my own house. I was in a city, where I knew not, and I heard explosion after explosion. I rose up quickly in bed, and saw from my window large balls of fire. Jetting out were sparks, in the form of arrows (see Picture @ http://godheldthefourwinds.blogspot.com/2011/12/911-god-held-four-wiinds.html; the moment this happened is when I had my vision), and buildings were being consumed, and in a very few minutes the entire block of buildings was falling and the screeching and mournful groans came distinctly to my ears. I cried out, in my raised position, to learn what was happening: “Where am I? And where are our family circle?” Then I awoke. But I could not tell where I was for I was in another place than home. I said, Oh Lord, where am I and what shall I do? It was a voice that spoke, "Be not afraid. Nothing shall harm you”.’

‘I was instructed that destruction hath gone forth upon cities. The word of the Lord will be fulfilled. Isaiah 29:19-24 was repeated. I dared not move, not knowing where I was. I cried unto the Lord, What does it mean? These representations of destruction were repeated. “Where am I?” "In scenes I have represented that which will be; but warn My people to cease from putting their trust in men who are not obedient to my warnings and who despise My reproof, for the day of the Lord is right upon the world when evidence shall be made sure. Those who have followed the voices that would turn things upside down will themselves be turned where they cannot see (turning and overturning; see 1st vision), but will be as blind men” (like the men of Sodom just before its destruction).’

‘These words were given me from Isaiah 30: "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord: Which say to the seers, “See not”; and to the prophets, “Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits”.” [isaiah 30:8-15 quoted.] I was instructed that light had been given me and that I had written under special light the Lord had imparted.’--Ms. 126, 1906. [Diary, August 23, 27, 1906.]

There are seven points that validate this vision as being very important and connected to New York on 9/11;

First: ‘explosion after explosion’ shows there would be two, one after another. (She even used the root word Jet in the next verse.)

Second: ‘the entire block of buildings was falling’; it wasn’t just the World Trade Center that fell in New York that day; they took the whole block with them.

Third: the word ‘cities’ is used here; let us remember that Washington D.C. was also hit that day.

Fourth; ‘Isaiah 29; 19-24 was repeated’, when God repeats something it is very important to pay attention to it! It is here quoted…

(19) ‘Once more the humble will rejoice in the LORD; the needy will rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

(20) The ruthless will vanish, the mockers will disappear, and all who have an eye for evil will be cut down.

(21) those who with a word make a man out to be guilty, who ensnare the defender in court and with false testimony deprive the innocent of justice.

(22) Therefore this is what the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, says to the house of Jacob: "No longer will Jacob be ashamed; no longer will their faces grow pale.

(23) When they see among them their children, the work of my hands, they will keep my name holy; they will acknowledge the holiness of the Holy One of Jacob, and will stand in awe of the God of Israel.

(24) Those who are wayward in spirit will gain understanding; those who complain will accept instruction”.’

Fifth; ‘Evidence will be made sure’ I believe this not only points to the fulfillment of this and all subsequent prophecies, but also bear in mind God next said this is to be written in a table and He talks about the Law. The Ten Commandments will be written on the hearts of those that are prepared for the latter rain as written in 2 Corinthians 3; 3. They will cry with a loud voice and the evidence will be made sure.

Sixth; ‘Isaiah 30’ was quoted. The whole chapter of Isaiah 30 is about the end times; the apostasy in the church, the turning away from the prophetic testimonies, a call to repentance and Sabbath, the out pouring of the latter rain and most notably it has this. Verse 25; “And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall”. It then ends with the coming of the Lord!

Seventh; she had been told by God that she has written under ‘special light’. If there was ever a prophecy to pay attention to in the testimonies it is this one!

Chapter 3: The Last Vision of New York

The last vision that Ellen White had written and this time directly mentioned New York that I would like to draw attention to was written in 1909 and is found in; Testimonies for the Church Volume 9 in the chapter which begins on page 11.

‘On one occasion, when in New York City, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify the owners and builders. Higher and still higher these buildings rose, and in them the most costly material was used. Those to whom these buildings belonged were not asking themselves: "How can we best glorify God?" The Lord was not in their thoughts.’

‘I thought: "Oh, that those who are thus investing their means could see their course as God sees it! They are piling up magnificent buildings, but how foolish in the sight of the Ruler of the universe is their planning and devising. They are not studying with all the powers of heart and mind how they may glorify God. They have lost sight of this, the first duty of man.’

‘As these lofty buildings went up, the owners rejoiced with ambitious pride that they had money to use in gratifying self and provoking the envy of their neighbors. Much of the money that they thus invested had been obtained through exaction, through grinding down the poor. They forgot that in heaven an account of every business transaction is kept; every unjust deal, every fraudulent act, is there recorded. The time is coming when in their fraud and insolence men will reach a point that the Lord will not permit them to pass, and they will learn that there is a limit to the forbearance of Jehovah.’

‘The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at the lofty and supposedly fire-proof buildings and said: "They are perfectly safe." But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch. The fire engines could do nothing to stay the destruction. The firemen were unable to operate the engines.’

‘I am instructed that when the Lord's time comes, should no change have taken place in the hearts of proud, ambitious human beings, men will find that the hand that had been strong to save will be strong to destroy. No earthly power can stay the hand of God. No material can be used in the erection of buildings that will preserve them from destruction when God's appointed time comes to send retribution on men for their disregard of His law and for their selfish ambition.’

If ever there was a prophecy that directly points to 9/11 this is it. Just watch the videos about the firefighters during that terrible situation. They were so powerless to stay the destruction, they didn’t know what to do since the fire was so high up they couldn’t reach it with their equipment. Then, after just a few short minutes, the unthinkable happened… Both buildings came crashing down and many of the firefighters lost their lives.

Chapter 4: The Sixth King

I would now like to draw attention to the prophetic time frame in which these events took place as seen from the vision of St. John recorded in the book of Revelation. Revelation 17 clearly shows that St. John was taken in the spirit from his time to see the future, not to just any time frame, but the time of the sixth king.

9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.”

If you read Revelation 17, verse 3, it shows this vision of St. John’s begins during the beast’s wilderness experience. In this vision the Papacy had not re-attained the power and world dominion as they had held previous to the head wound.

When the Beast had dominion during the dark ages, the true church of Christ (woman) fled into the wilderness, but when the wound was inflicted on the head of the beast in 1798, the Whore went into the wilderness and God’s true church comes out of the wilderness and thrives. After the wound is healed and the eighth king in succession arrives, the whole world again wanders after the restored beast.

The head wound to the beast occurred in 1798, and the powers of the Papacy were restored in 1929 by the Lateran treaty, thus beginning the healing of that wound. At that time the Vatican was recognized as a sovereign nation and as such again became a kingship.

Logically, if we come to the conclusion that 1929 was the starting point for re-establishing the kingship of the Papacy (still figuratively in the wilderness for lack of political power), then all we have to do is count the popes from that date to find out where we are in the scope of end time events.

This is an amazing point, Pope John Paul II would have been the sixth king in this concession of kings, and he was the king who was in power during the time of 9/11 when all these prophecies began to be fulfilled and recognized! Following this logic we find that St. John was taken in the spirit to see the time frame of Pope John Paul II.

Look at the other prophetic fulfillments that took place during JPII’s 30 year reign. Most notably; the Book of Daniel foretold of the alliance between America and the papacy, and how they together would bring about the collapse of communism. (Dan. 11:40)

One last point here; the traditional interpretation of the ‘seven kings’ originated from the author of the book ‘Daniel and Revelation’ Uriah Smith who assumed the seven kings are figuratively the kingdoms spoken of in the book Daniel and earlier in Revelation.

But that interpretation cannot be accurate.

As James White vehemently pointed out to Mr. Smith; prophecy never applies symbolic meaning to interpreted texts. That means if the prophecy states; "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages” this proves that the waters “are” the people of the earth. So when Revelation 17 says the seven heads “are” seven hills “and” seven kings, it means we look for seven kings that come from seven hills where the woman sits (Rome) because the symbolic language has been deciphered for us.

Chapter 5; Short Season

Now we look to where we are today. If this reckoning is correct, then justifiably we should see that we are in the time of the seventh king who must remain for a ‘short season’!

Pope Benedict XVI was elected into office on 19 April 2005. I am not attempting to foretell when he will pass, but he’s 84 years old already. This is not time setting because the coming of each king is dependent on the death of the previous king which could be vastly different each time according to God’s pleasure. This sign points to when Satan will be revealed as an angel of light as an alarm to God’s end time church who should be alarming the whole world.

Chapter 6: The Eighth King

What is to happen after Benedict passes on? We find the answer in the next verse of Revelation 17.

11. ‘And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.’ (See below * ↓)

I have discovered others unconnected to me, who have been led to the same conclusion as to the meaning of this Prophecy. It is being revealed that this ‘eighth king’ will be a satanic impersonation of one of the previous seven kings!

1. Notice how this king is not listed among the seven until after the seventh king, but it says he will be one “of the seven”. But how can this be since Popes only leave office by death?

2. “the beast that was, and is not” signifies the perspective of the vision, i.e. during the time of the sixth king when the beast is still in the wilderness not having fully regained its world empire status back, yet.

3. When this eighth king arrives, the full world power of the beast (like the dark ages) will be restored and more.

4. The eighth king goes “into perdition”. Which means this king comes BEFORE the second coming of Christ when Satan will be thrust into prison beginning his incarceration prior to his destruction.

Mrs. White saw the Eighth King in vision as recorded at the end of Early Writings in the chapter regarding demons impersonating the dead;

“I saw the rapidity with which this delusion was spreading. A train of cars was shown me, going with the speed of lightning. The angel bade me look carefully. I fixed my eyes upon the train. It seemed that the whole world was on board, that there could not be one left. Said the angel, "They are binding in bundles ready to burn." Then he showed me the conductor, who appeared like a stately, fair person, whom all the passengers looked up to and reverenced. I was perplexed and asked my attending angel who it was. He said, "It is Satan. He is the conductor in the form of an angel of light. He has taken the world captive. They are given over to strong delusions, to believe a lie, that they may be damned. This agent, the next highest in order to him, is the engineer, and other of his agents are employed in different offices as he may need them, and they are all going with lightning speed to perdition."

(See *↑ the eighth king of Rev 17 also is going to Perdition, and it’s not a coincidence)

“I asked the angel if there were none left. He bade me look in an opposite direction, and I saw a little company traveling a narrow pathway. All seemed to be firmly united, bound together by the truth, in bundles, or companies. Said the angel, "The third angel is binding, or sealing, them in bundles for the heavenly garner." This little company looked careworn, as if they had passed through severe trials and conflicts (shaking). And it appeared as if the sun had just risen from behind a cloud and shone upon their countenances, causing them to look triumphant, as if their victories were nearly won. I saw that God had given men time to discover the snare.” Early Writings (1882), page 88, 89.

This whole chapter in Early Writings is about people appearing to come back from the dead, satanically staged to deceive men regarding the truth on the state of the dead. Why would this vision be in the middle of a chapter about the dead coming to try to deceive the world? Please note; when this deception takes place, it occurs simultaneously with the loud cry of the third angel’s message.

Chapter 7: Summary

2 Thessalonians 2:3;

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Use your imagination… Pope Benedict dies, the people of the ‘world’ are mourning when suddenly the cry is heard “we have a pope” And satan impersonating one of the seven previous popes comes before the masses proclaiming to be sent here by God to unify the world under the leadership of the papal government like an anti-Elijah or false John the Baptist proclaiming the soon coming of the ultimate false Messiah. How many leaders would line up to bow before him? Then God’s true believers who have been warned that this would happen will cry with a loud voice “Babylon has doubly fallen and become inhabited by demons!”

“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful (full of faith).15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled (see second vision) .18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (Rome), which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rev. 17; 12-18

Regarding the ten kings spoken of here Mrs. White has this to say:

“What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath (Letter 232, 1899). {7BC 983.5}

Then we find God’s people delivered, very soon…

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honor, and power, unto the Lord our God: And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, these are the true sayings of God, Revelation 19; 1, 9.

May the God of heaven bless all those who read this prophetic interpretation in the righteous name of Christ, amen.

[cheddar]

This is just Great!

Let's connect the Adventist church and Ellen White with 9/11.

Satan could not have done a better PR attack himself.

I'm no fan of Ellen White but even I haven't stooped that low.

[M. T. Cross]

**waiting for the part where he asks for our life savings to help spread the message of his visions**

[jamesonofthunder]

Connect Ellen White and the adventist church to 9/11?

I defend them both with a great love in my heart which seems to be lacking in your response. God bless.

If God chose to warn the world through her why would that be bad? Your reasoning seems off base or you haven't really read the article.

If you're no fan of the Spirit of Prophecy then how do you think you are defending the Adventist church? "For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy"

And no, I am not in need of any financial assistance thank you, God has provided abundantly with a wonderful stable home.

In fact I have been blessed with many awesome blessings and I just want to share.

Peace...

[Overaged]

I think there are several questionable connections you have made in your OP here. I understand your enthusiasm for the spirit of prophecy and how it connects the dots for us during the last days. This is great; but we do have to be very careful here to not get some of it out of context.

One thing that i thought was not right was how you connected 'the shaking" with buildings in New York falling down. The shaking of the Bible; and which Ellen White refers to often has nothing to do with earth quakes and buildings being destroyed as you seemed to be saying here.

[jamesonofthunder]

I think there are several questionable connections you have made in your OP here. I understand your enthusiasm for the spirit of prophecy and how it connects the dots for us during the last days. This is great; but we do have to be very careful here to not get some of it out of context.

One thing that i thought was not right was how you connected 'the shaking" with buildings in New York falling down. The shaking of the Bible; and which Ellen White refers to often has nothing to do with earth quakes and buildings being destroyed as you seemed to be saying here.

You're right, it's not about earthquakes. It's about the church being judged. We are in the shaking time. The visions Mrs. White had about 9/11 have all of those elements in them.

I study the Spirit of Prophecy in the same way I study the bible, line upon line, precept upon precept.

I cannot deny the vision I had that morning. I saw it very clearly. Jesus pleading with the Father to hold the 4 winds until His servants where sealed. We are the laodicean church...the Judged people.

[Overaged]

Looks like you & I study the spirit of prophecy in the same way...

I don't doubt that you may have seen this vision; but what I am questioning here is your interpretation thereof, and the connections you appear to be making to 9-11

[jamesonofthunder]

Dear Overaged, take a look at the Red Heifer vision I had and see if we have any more points to agree on. You might be blessed. I have posted 4 of my dreams and visions here.

The reason I felt lead to write these is because all of my dreams are coming true.

Righteousness by faith is a common theme throughout.

It's not about me, But I was blessed, so I share. The path we have been given is our testimony.

I was a rock and roll musician and sound engineer until I had a major experience in faith that led me to the Sabbath. That experience was alive. The same still small voice talks to me now 17 years later. His voice has a special signature that cannot be counterfeited. The scriptures and the spirit of prophecy harmonize perfectly and my dreams never contradict any of what is written.

This is my testimony because I have experienced it. I have a living faith in the word of God which has creative powers.

The same voice that said "let there be light", also said "be ye therefore perfect". I have faith that this process is in effect in my life and it leads be to deeper understanding just as it led me to the Sabbath.

[Woody]

Looks like you & I study the spirit of prophecy in the same way...

I don't doubt that you may have seen this vision; but what I am questioning here is your interpretation thereof, and the connections you appear to be making to 9-11

This is an excellent point. Just because we have a vision - does not mean that we can interpret it. One might need to obtain an interpretation from a qualified brother or sister.

I think God at times limits our capabilities so that we don't obtain a "big head" and think we are the greatest thing since buttered bread. It IS okay to obtain the help from a fellow believer. Not all have the same gifts.

[jamesonofthunder]

Agreed, but as you have not spent time to know me, it would be hard to make that judgment.

This is what my walk does for me...

I sit down to read the 1888 message from Jones and Waggoner to soak up the wisdom that Mrs White said was directly from God... I sense a peace come over me like when I have an epiphany, and I hear the Still Small Voice say "What would you have from me" and I pray for everyone in my family, then He asks again "What would you have from me" so I ask for getting out of debt and a wife.

The next morning I'm awakened by the phone ringing and my mothers husband gives me $10,000 and I meet my future wife that day. Every single prayer I made for my family that night came true the next day.

Then after we're married He did the same for me again and I asked for a home without a mortgage so we don't go back into debt, and I ask that no one has to die for it. The next week I was given a house free and clear.

I could list hundreds of answers to prayer and still small voice leadings, do I need an interpreter for this?

[Woody]

Agreed, but as you have not spent time to know me, it would be hard to make that judgment.

This is what my walk does for me...

I sit down to read the 1888 message from Jones and Waggoner to soak up the wisdom that Mrs White said was directly from God... I sense a peace come over me like when I have an epiphany, and I hear the Still Small Voice say "What would you have from me" and I pray for everyone in my family, then He asks again "What would you have from me" so I ask for getting out of debt and a wife.

The next morning I'm awakened by the phone ringing and my mothers husband gives me $10,000 and I meet my future wife that day. Every single prayer I made for my family that night came true the next day.

Then after we're married He did the same for me again and I asked for a home without a mortgage so we don't go back into debt, and I ask that no one has to die for it. The next week I was given a house free and clear.

I could list hundreds of answers to prayer and still small voice leadings, do I need an interpreter for this?

This is all very interesting and informative. But I fear that the "thunder" part of James is what is the problem. Just because this has been YOUR experience does not mean that it will be ANYONE elses'.

I have been faithful to God ALL of my life. Yet when I pray to be able to attend church or have health or for Him to send someone to witness to - my prayers are not answered.

So, if you think that ALL should have your experience - I fear you are wrong. If our faith is based on what we can get - it will at some point be squashed.

I have to wonder what you think is your secret to getting answers to your prayers for what you want in life? Could you share why you get what you want and I don't?

[Overaged]

It's not about me, But I was blessed, so I share. The path we have been given is our testimony.

I was a rock and roll musician and sound engineer until I had a major experience in faith that led me to the Sabbath. That experience was alive. The same still small voice talks to me now 17 years later. His voice has a special signature that cannot be counterfeited. The scriptures and the spirit of prophecy harmonize perfectly and my dreams never contradict any of what is written.

This is my testimony because I have experienced it. I have a living faith in the word of God which has creative powers.

1 John 1:1-3 says "what we have seen and heard, and handled of the word of life;" this is what we declare to you...(a bit of paraphrasing by me here); and so this kind of testimony is excellent. I appreciated hearing it. You & I come from a similar background, and God has pulled us out.

With dreams though; we must be careful about how we interpret them. They rarely mean what we think they do; and they always have more than one meaning/cause. Connecting our dreams to present truth can be very misleading in many ways.

I would like to explore this further with you. Where is this red heifer dream you speak of that you posted? Maybe i will look at that, and then come back here to comment on this dream here, as well as that one?

[jamesonofthunder]

“Have you followed him in the garden of Gethsemane? Have you seen the bloody sweat bedew the ground?”

{RH July 12, 1892, par. 6}

Brother Woody, the reason our Lord gave me this experience is for others like you who are not receiving the answers to prayer... check out the vision I had about Jesus being the Red Heifer in Gethsemane, I posted it in "Real issues for Adventists today" section.

We have been given clues in where to meet with Jesus and how to see Him. We enter through the gate on to the path High and lifted up by meeting with Him in Gethsemane.

The experiences I have had prove that anyone can meet with Him and be guided to ask the right thing from Him. Mrs White said if our prayers are in harmony with God then he clothes the contrite sinner with the spotless robes of Christ righteousness and our prayers ascend mixed with the merits of Christ.

It's all in the Red Heifer vision. Please pray before reading OK?

Peace brother.

[jamesonofthunder]

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder

It's not about me, But I was blessed, so I share. The path we have been given is our testimony.

I was a rock and roll musician and sound engineer until I had a major experience in faith that led me to the Sabbath. That experience was alive. The same still small voice talks to me now 17 years later. His voice has a special signature that cannot be counterfeited. The scriptures and the spirit of prophecy harmonize perfectly and my dreams never contradict any of what is written.

This is my testimony because I have experienced it. I have a living faith in the word of God which has creative powers.

1 John 1:1-3 says "what we have seen and heard, and handled of the word of life;" this is what we declare to you...(a bit of paraphrasing by me here); and so this kind of testimony is excellent. I appreciated hearing it. You & I come from a similar background, and God has pulled us out.

With dreams though; we must be careful about how we interpret them. They rarely mean what we think they do; and they always have more than one meaning/cause. Connecting our dreams to present truth can be very misleading in many ways.

I would like to explore this further with you. Where is this red heifer dream you speak of that you posted? Maybe i will look at that, and then come back here to comment on this dream here, as well as that one?

Blessings brother, I will respond after church OK? Peace in Jesus' name.

[M. T. Cross]

Where is this red heifer dream you speak of that you posted? Maybe i will look at that, and then come back here to comment on this dream here, as well as that one?

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthread...html#Post510447

[Overaged]

[Gibs]

A great tumult is coming and not many years away,

Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Isa 30:25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

Sounds like Pippenger here. My father and I have gone over his videos, and we have concluded that he is wrong on many points.

Eugene Prewitt has done an outstanding rebuttal of many of Pippenger's points.

Fresh Concerns Related to the Recent Teachings of Jeff Pippenger

Another one:

A Summary of Thoughts and Concerns regarding the Teaching of Jeff Pippenger

While we believe Pippenger has a lot of strands of truth in his presentations, he also has a lot of strands of errors that are bringing in confusion. Pippenger teaches that the Latter Rain began to fall in 9/11.

The Spirit of Prophecy totally repudiates such notion:

Christ gave to His disciples truths whose breadth and depth and value they little appreciated, or even comprehended, and the same condition exists among the people of God today. We too have failed to take in the greatness, to perceive the beauty of the truth which God has entrusted to us today. Should we advance in spiritual knowledge, we would see the truth developing and expanding in lines of which we have little dreamed, but it will never develop in any line that will lead us to imagine that we may know the times and the seasons which the Father hath put in His own power. Again and again have I been warned in regard to time setting. There will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time. We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ. {1SM 188.1}

Also, Pippenger's "2520" time frame has also been refuted in Eugene Prewitt's new book "Deeper: Investigating the Integrity of Our Prophetic Foundations. But he also wrote an article here:

A Summary of Thoughts and Concerns regarding the Teaching of Jeff Pippenger

[jamesonofthunder]

A great tumult is coming and not many years away,

Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Isa 30:25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Awesome Mr. Gibs

You might like to look at this. I also hear the voice of the Holy Spirit share with me that drops of the seven last plagues are falling even now. I will post it here in Theological town hall under the name "droplets of the plagues are falling".

Since I can't or haven't figured out how to post pictures and the pictures tell the story in this case here is the direct link to my blog about these massive hailstones...

http://lastplaguedrops.blogspot.com/2012/01/revelation-1621-from-sky-huge.html

Peace.

[Gibs]

James,

The earth is ripe for the harvest. It is getting very close to When Jesus will stand up and say "it is finished". Then the Angels holding back the winds will let loose and the 7 last plagues will start shortly. None will be raptured out to escape it and is known as the time of trouble such as has ever been known.

Da 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The 144,000 will be sealed and many I know are already.

Men are now putting His coming too far in the future. Yes it will be a few years but the time in years is very short.

This next verse has always been true but is more true today than ever has been and can it get any worse? Not much, it is near the summit of wickedness for sure.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Where people do you see this "spiritual wickedness in high places" to be anyway?

The watchmen on the wall are few and are not heard much over the clamor of untruths.

Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Re 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

Re 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Re 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Re 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Re 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Re 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

Sounds like Pippenger here. My father and I have gone over his videos, and we have concluded that he is wrong on many points.

Eugene Prewitt has done an outstanding rebuttal of many of Pippenger's points.

Fresh Concerns Related to the Recent Teachings of Jeff Pippenger

Another one:

A Summary of Thoughts and Concerns regarding the Teaching of Jeff Pippenger

While we believe Pippenger has a lot of strands of truth in his presentations, he also has a lot of strands of errors that are bringing in confusion. Pippenger teaches that the Latter Rain began to fall in 9/11.

The Spirit of Prophecy totally repudiates such notion:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White

Christ gave to His disciples truths whose breadth and depth and value they little appreciated, or even comprehended, and the same condition exists among the people of God today. We too have failed to take in the greatness, to perceive the beauty of the truth which God has entrusted to us today. Should we advance in spiritual knowledge, we would see the truth developing and expanding in lines of which we have little dreamed, but it will never develop in any line that will lead us to imagine that we may know the times and the seasons which the Father hath put in His own power. Again and again have I been warned in regard to time setting. There will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time. We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ. {1SM 188.1}

Also, Pippenger's "2520" time frame has also been refuted in Eugene Prewitt's new book "Deeper: Investigating the Integrity of Our Prophetic Foundations. But he also wrote an article here:

A Summary of Thoughts and Concerns regarding the Teaching of Jeff Pippenger

I do not know who Pippenger is but I can tell you I do not claim that the latter rain is currently falling in force, in fact in this writing and the one named "Who is anti-Christ, the eighth king of Rev 17!" if you look closer, you will see that God revealed to me that the latter rain does not begin to fall in force until the eighth king is revealed. So the latter rain is not being pured out in force until the death of Pope Benedict 16 who is the seventh king of Rev 17. Please read that writing to clarify what God showed me.

Also you need to take everything written on any subject to validate your stance, tell me how what you quoted would harmonize with this quote from early writings.

"Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses’ did when he came down from Mount Sinai. {CET 58

It is actually after the sealing of the 144,000 and revealing of the Eighth King of Revelation 17 that the latter rain falls in force and at that time God will speak the time and the hour.

[Lysimachus]

I do not know who Pippenger is but I can tell you I do not claim that the latter rain is currently falling in force, in fact in this writing and the one named "Who is anti-Christ, the eighth king of Rev 17!" if you look closer, you will see that God revealed to me that the latter rain does not begin to fall in force until the eighth king is revealed. So the latter rain is not being pured out in force until the death of Pope Benedict 16 who is the seventh king of Rev 17. Please read that writing to clarify what God showed me.

Also you need to take everything written on any subject to validate your stance, tell me how what you quoted would harmonize with this quote from early writings.

"Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses’ did when he came down from Mount Sinai. {CET 58

It is actually after the sealing of the 144,000 and revealing of the Eighth King of Revelation 17 that the latter rain falls in force and at that time God will speak the time and the hour.

So are you claiming to be a prophet?

[jamesonofthunder]

My pastor told me to never be afraid to claim the gifts God has given. He said "I think you have been given the gift of prophetic interpretation." Several others have similarly encouraged me.

There are a hand full of men who say they believe I am prophetically gifted, and they are the biggest blessing to every church I have gone to. They themselves exhibit sound judgment in the knowledge of Christ. Non fanatical or biased, and always willing to test the Spirit.

All I know from the bottom of my heart is, no one but God taught me about the Sabbath and lead me to the SDA church. It was like being shown a long lost family after a week of fasting and prayer while reading God's book. In the first six days I had inhaled the old testament and loved what I was reading. On the seventh day of my fast, The moment I got to Matthew 12 the voice that encouraged me to the fast said "this will lead you home to me" when I read "the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath day". A light went on in my head and neural pathways were connected and I was given total forgiveness and walked away from 20 years of substance abuse that night. I literally had to fight against the holy Spirit to commit any kind of sin. But when I did sin the weight of it was heavy on my heart.

I have seen dozens of blatant outright miracles that I had the privilege of praying for and witnessing.

I started having dreams in the same signature of spirit immediately after conversion. None of my dreams have failed.

I have made false assumptions early in my learning process, but have never claimed any of that as divinely illuminated.

This is God's end time church, and this is my adventure.

I have been shown deep meanings that I have never heard a sermon on until after the vision or dream, which happens over and over like I'm on the same path of discovery as those who showed the gifts before.

Would I call myself a prophet? If my God wants to continue to show me truths that are hidden, and give me real life experiences in His glory, then I am still willing to listen, and to act. forever.

Amen. Sincerely and in good faith.

[Overaged]

I do not know who Pippenger is but I can tell you I do not claim that the latter rain is currently falling in force, in fact in this writing and the one named "Who is anti-Christ, the eighth king of Rev 17!" if you look closer, you will see that God revealed to me that the latter rain does not begin to fall in force until the eighth king is revealed. So the latter rain is not being pured out in force until the death of Pope Benedict 16 who is the seventh king of Rev 17. Please read that writing to clarify what God showed me.

Historically; this kind of "God revealed to me;" "God showed me" talk has mostly been proved wrong. Historically, this is what many have said as they get out their AK-47s or M-10s. So you have some major reconciling to do in terms of the credibility of what you are starting to say on this count; plus the count where you pit an isolated quote from Ellen White, and pit it against a major Bible teaching that tells us "no man knows the hour. " You are the one who needs to reconcile this because you knowingly came onto a forum where you know we would not believe that so I say "bring forth your strong reasons." We are always glad to consider what people say; but we need clarifications first before we know what we are responding to.

[jamesonofthunder]

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder

I do not know who Pippenger is but I can tell you I do not claim that the latter rain is currently falling in force, in fact in this writing and the one named "Who is anti-Christ, the eighth king of Rev 17!" if you look closer, you will see that God revealed to me that the latter rain does not begin to fall in force until the eighth king is revealed. So the latter rain is not being pured out in force until the death of Pope Benedict 16 who is the seventh king of Rev 17. Please read that writing to clarify what God showed me.

Historically; this kind of "God revealed to me;" "God showed me" talk has mostly been proved wrong. Historically, this is what many have said as they get out their AK-47s or M-10s. So you have some major reconciling to do in terms of the credibility of what you are starting to say on this count; plus the count where you pit an isolated quote from Ellen White, and pit it against a major Bible teaching that tells us "no man knows the hour. " You are the one who needs to reconcile this because you knowingly came onto a forum where you know we would not believe that so I say "bring forth your strong reasons." We are always glad to consider what people say; but we need clarifications first before we know what we are responding to.

I have been dealing with this gift for 17 years, so I do know what you're saying. I also knew what I was getting into by making these statements. I have weighed the cost and found nothing but 'yes Lord' in my heart.

I also have been the target of a lot of people who exhibit no love in their approach to dealing with their fear. You should see how it goes when the Holy Spirit warns my church through me. Warning them about everything from Womens ordination, to Rock in the sanctuary and baptizing openly homosexual persons, God has used me for it all in 17 years. Try telling your pastor that God told you he shouldn't let his son live in his house without being married to the girlfriend he's having sex with while she's also living under his roof and see how comfortable you are in that church ever again.

I will let the visions and dreams speak for themselves.

If this pope, Benedict 16, the seventh King of Rev 17 dies and nothing happens, then I am being led by Satan. If when this pope dies, Satan reveals himself as an angel of light and the latter rain falls, then a lot of people in our church around the world owe my God an apology. The scary thing is, then it will be too late for the professed church and the door will be shut. Then it is that the 144,000 are numbered and begin proclaiming the loud cry.

Judgment begins at the sanctuary {Ezekiel 9} and we are the sanctuary message church. Since 9/11, Jesus began judgment of the living people professing His name. If you look in all of my writings you, will see all these elements supported by scripture and the S.O.P.

You wouldn't believe the hateful things people in our church say to me for claiming these things. But on the other hand, when I'm with true brothers, or alone with God, He proves Himself over and over.

Read this post about my vision that the Eighth King of Rev 17 will be Satan appearing as an angel of light in the form of a previous pope. http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthread...html#Post510215

I found an Adventist pastor teaching the same thing from Amazing Facts, also after I had the vision.

I have found two other Adventists who had the same testimony, so I know my vision is not on it's own and of no private interpretation. One of the men who had this same vision was from Uruguay and his testimony started a revival in local of his country. Some guy from Egypt heard of this testimony and started a website called Worlds Last Chance, but God warned me they are anti-Adventist.

It was awesome to hear someone have the same dream, just as has happened on several occasions in the past for other dreams.