Sept. 11, 2001, The Day God Held the Four Winds.

[Woody]

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baptizing openly homosexual persons

And is there something wrong with that? If ANYone needs to commmit their life to God - it's the homosexuals. Or do you believe that once you decide to be baptized that you immediately stop all sin?

[jamesonofthunder]

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baptizing openly homosexual persons

And is there something wrong with that? If ANYone needs to commmit their life to God - it's the homosexuals. Or do you believe that once you decide to be baptized that you immediately stop all sin?

While they are living with their lover? Ordained as a deaconess and coming to church in her biker colors? You will argue and I am done.

[Woody]

Well I had some hopes that you might answer my questions. But I did figure that the chances of that were slim.

However with you being a prophet and all - I did have some hope. OH well.

[Overaged]

A couple of people having the same dream proves nothing, biblically, that your message is sound, and not a private interpretation.

The eighth king business of Rev 17 has been used for years by all manner of off-shoot individuals and organizations over the years to "support" the "God showed me" religions that are becoming so popular in the world today. It is a grossly misunderstood and misapplied subject.

What you characterize as people "hating you" is likely people who know the truth; that you bring the great "iceberg" to the church; and they follow the council, and "go out to meet it" (see #1 footnote below).

"Miracles" and "answered prayer" do not determine Bible truth, as you seem to be intimating.

By saying "The scary thing is, then it will be too late for the professed church and the door will be shut;" you also present to us the satanic version of the "shut door doctrine" which the church, EGW, nor the Bible would support.

If you are serious, if you are genuine; you will be able to answer these questions, as well as acknowledge and answer my other questions bout reconciling the isolated spirit of prophecy quote which you have pitted against the very clear teaching THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE how that "no man knoweth the hour. (see footnote #2 below)

It simply is not right to use either the Bible or the spirit of prophecy to predict when Jesus will return. This could include what you said re the current Pope. (see also footnote #3).

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Footnotes

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#1 An Iceberg! "Meet It"

Shortly before I sent out the testimonies regarding the efforts of the enemy to undermine the foundation of our faith through the dissemination of seductive theories, I had read an incident about a ship in a fog meeting an iceberg. For several nights I slept but little. I seemed to be bowed down as a cart beneath sheaves. One night a scene was clearly presented before me. A vessel was upon the waters, in a heavy fog. Suddenly the lookout cried, "Iceberg just ahead!" There, towering high above the ship, was a gigantic iceberg. An authoritative voice cried out, "Meet it!" There was not a moment's hesitation. It was a time for instant action. The engineer put on full steam, and the man at the wheel steered the ship straight into the iceberg. With a crash she struck the ice. There was a fearful shock, and the iceberg broke into many pieces, falling with a noise like thunder to the deck. The passengers were violently shaken by the force of the collisions, but no lives were lost. The vessel was injured, but not beyond repair. She rebounded from the contact, trembling from stem to stern, like a living creature. Then she moved forward on her way. {1SM 205.3}

#2 Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai. {CET 58.1} Mat_24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mar_13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

#3 Christ did not intend that His followers should know with exactitude when He would return. The signs foretold would testify to the nearness of His coming, but, He declared emphatically, the “day and hour” of that event “knoweth no man” (Matt. 24:36). To make the expression, “this generation,” the basis for reckoning a period of time supposedly terminating with His return violates both the letter and the spirit of His instructions (see on vs. 36, 42)

Nichol, F. D. (1978; 2002). The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 5 (503). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

[Gibs]

James,

I for one agree the eighth king of revelation 17 is Satan as he is THE antichrist. All the rest are AN antichrist after him their father the devil.

Also will add EGW did not agree on some of the prophecy as put forth and here is one place I find she is spot on.

" In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . . {3SM 393.1}"

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Lysimachus]

So Gibs, are you saying that when Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour, he is referrencing a "present tense", but Ellen White is making it clear that one day God will reveal the day and the hour?

She seems to be alluding to a time when God's people will be shown the day and the hour like just before Jesus comes, after during the 7 last plagues. It seems that the day and the hour is announced only after probation has closed? Am I right?

[Lysimachus]

Gibs,

I'd be careful by saying that "Satan is the Antichrist". Ellen White is very clear that it is the Papacy that is the Antichrist, but it is Satan that is possessing the Antichrist Beast. Satan is the Dragon giving power unto the Beast, just like Satan gave power unto the serpent to speak, by possessing it.

[Overaged]

Gibs,

I'd be careful by saying that "Satan is the Antichrist". Ellen White is very clear that it is the Papacy that is the Antichrist, but it is Satan that is possessing the Antichrist Beast. Satan is the Dragon giving power unto the Beast, just like Satan gave power unto the serpent to speak, by possessing it.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

Gibs,

I'd be careful by saying that "Satan is the Antichrist". Ellen White is very clear that it is the Papacy that is the Antichrist, but it is Satan that is possessing the Antichrist Beast. Satan is the Dragon giving power unto the Beast, just like Satan gave power unto the serpent to speak, by possessing it.

[Overaged]

So Gibs, are you saying that when Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour, he is referrencing a "present tense", but Ellen White is making it clear that one day God will reveal the day and the hour?

She seems to be alluding to a time when God's people will be shown the day and the hour like just before Jesus comes, after during the 7 last plagues. It seems that the day and the hour is announced only after probation has closed? Am I right?

I would suggest that everyone simply forget about taking an isolated EGW text and making it out to contest the scriptures, somehow.

If; as the OP says, there will be a time "before" Jesus comes when we will be told the hour of His coming, then let's meet this "iceberg" with scripture; from which we keep saying all of our points of belief can be proven.

I will give everyone a hint; because I am short on time for now. The key to meeting this "iceberg" is found in Mathew 25; and the "midnight cry" therein depicted.

[Gibs]

Originally Posted By: Lysimachus

So Gibs, are you saying that when Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour, he is referrencing a "present tense", but Ellen White is making it clear that one day God will reveal the day and the hour?

She seems to be alluding to a time when God's people will be shown the day and the hour like just before Jesus comes, after during the 7 last plagues. It seems that the day and the hour is announced only after probation has closed? Am I right?

Yes that is what I make of it, a very short time before, probably to give or bolster the foritude.

And I don't right off know anything in scripture that indicates it but I don't doubt her testimony on that.

The closest thing in scripture that comes to mind is the "bridegroom comes at midnight" and Luke's statement,

Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Lu 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

Yes Gibs that is right.

After the sealing of God's servants in their forehead, which is a "settling into the truth, so they cannot be moved", that is when the day and the hour is announced and those who were not sealed hear not the words of God, but a thunder.

This is the last of the seven thunders.

At that point the 144,000 are seen on mount Zion in heaven, which means they have been sealed, and the prayer of Jesus that "they may be in me, as I am in thee" is fulfilled and even though their bodies are on earth they go where ever the lamb goes.

[jamesonofthunder]

At the moment this picture was taken I had the vision. This is exactly like Mrs White saw in her second vision about New York.

‘In the night I was, I thought, in a room but not in my own house. I was in a city, where I knew not, and I heard explosion after explosion. I rose up quickly in bed, and saw from my window large balls of fire. Jetting out were sparks, in the form of arrows (see Picture; the moment this happened is when I had my vision), and buildings were being consumed, and in a very few minutes the entire block of buildings was falling and the screeching and mournful groans came distinctly to my ears. I cried out, in my raised position, to learn what was happening: “Where am I? And where are our family circle?” Then I awoke. But I could not tell where I was for I was in another place than home. I said, Oh Lord, where am I and what shall I do? It was a voice that spoke, "Be not afraid. Nothing shall harm you”.’

[12tribes]

Yes Gibs that is right.

After the sealing of God's servants in their forehead, which is a "settling into the truth, so they cannot be moved", that is when the day and the hour is announced and those who were not sealed hear not the words of God, but a thunder.

This is the last of the seven thunders.

At that point the 144,000 are seen on mount Zion in heaven, which means they have been sealed, and the prayer of Jesus that "they may be in me, as I am in thee" is fulfilled and even though their bodies are on earth they go where ever the lamb goes.

[jamesonofthunder]

Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder

Yes Gibs that is right.

After the sealing of God's servants in their forehead, which is a "settling into the truth, so they cannot be moved", that is when the day and the hour is announced and those who were not sealed hear not the words of God, but a thunder.

This is the last of the seven thunders.

At that point the 144,000 are seen on mount Zion in heaven, which means they have been sealed, and the prayer of Jesus that "they may be in me, as I am in thee" is fulfilled and even though their bodies are on earth they go where ever the lamb goes.

How can you claim to have the prophetic gift and get the 7 thunders wrong

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After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the instruction comes to John, as to Daniel, in regard to the little book: “Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.”... John sees the little book unsealed.... Then Daniel’s prophecies have their proper place in the first, second, and third angels’ messages to be given to the world. The unsealing of the little book was the message in relation to time. {CTr 344.3}

The books of Daniel and the Revelation are one. One is a prophecy, the other a revelation; one a book sealed, the other a book opened.... The special light given to John, which was expressed in the seven thunders, was a delineation of events that would transpire under the first and second angels’ messages.... The first and second angels’ messages were to be proclaimed, but no further light was to be revealed before these messages had done their specific work.... {CTr 344.4}

This time, which the Angel declares with a solemn oath, is not the end of this world’s history, neither of probationary time, but of prophetic time, which would precede the advent of our Lord. That is, the people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844. {CTr 344.5}

Read Rev 10 and you will get the time period of the 7 thunders

You sure cut out a lot of writing to bend these statements to meet your insult.

Come on man....

"After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the injunction comes to John as to Daniel in regard to the little book: “Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.” These relate to future events which will be disclosed in their order. Daniel shall stand in his lot at the end of the days. John sees the little book unsealed. Then Daniel’s prophecies have their proper place in the first, second, and third angels’ messages to be given to the world. The unsealing of the little book was the message in relation to time. {7BC 971.4} (Written in 1900)

Are you claiming that the 3 angels messages have been proclaimed with the loud cry yet?

I'm so sick of people trying to attack me to prove their feeble minded support of their own interpretations. I speak as a man here, but obviously not as a brother to most.

[jamesonofthunder]

The seven thunders time frame began in the days of the Advent movement. The first and second angels message...

But the seven thunders end with the third angels message in the loud cry, in force and helped by the outpouring of the later rain just before the time of trouble.

If you would have taken time to investigate and read what you were quoting you wouldn't be embarrassed right now. You need to get right with God brother because there is something wrong with your heart.

In Jesus' name amen.

[Overaged]

This vision gave me a clue that tied what I had already been taught by scripture, and dreams

[jamesonofthunder]

I totally agree Brother,

there are many impressions, dreams and visions I have had that are private. But on these issues I have been praying over and over for God's will in what I shall do with them.

The word came, to "look to Him always".

When doing so I found amazing discoveries for the church through scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy.

None of the dreams or visions have failed, even though I have many times.

I am not claiming to be a replacement for, or in contrast to Mrs. White or the other prophets, but in harmony with and receiving where she left off. There are obviously many issues in scripture that she didn't relate in how to interpret.

One day I will be reading my bible then a subject is illuminated in my mind or a question arises that I cannot find the answer to in the S.O.P. and I pray for enlightenment on the subject and it comes. In one way or another it ALWAYS comes. Or, on subjects that I had no clue were even part of the gospel He instigate my thoughts to go there through a dream or vision or impression. Then I find a whole new area of study that I didn't even know existed and He leads me through the experience to find more depth in the bible.

Should I keep these things private when I know it was from God to help the church? Or should I continue to write what I saw so it is not on my head for not sharing with you, continuing to endure the insults and shame people try to cast on me from their fears? I pray for the strength to endure the contempt.

P.S. Dearest overaged, I wish more people were as generous as you in how to deal with this issue, thank you for how you presented your concerns. I really appreciate it.

[skyblue888]

I do not know who Pippenger is but I can tell you I do not claim that the latter rain is currently falling in force, in fact in this writing and the one named "Who is anti-Christ, the eighth king of Rev 17!" if you look closer, you will see that God revealed to me that the latter rain does not begin to fall in force until the eighth king is revealed. So the latter rain is not being pured out in force until the death of Pope Benedict 16 who is the seventh king of Rev 17. Please read that writing to clarify what God showed me.

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I doubt it was God who showed you that for the latter rain message must first be proclaimed to the church before the papacy comes into power again. In 1888 the latter rain message began to be proclaimed in the church. AS the message was being proclaimed in the church, there were Sunday Law debates but the papacy would not regain her supremacy until the protestant churches would enforce Sunday and then give their authority to the papacy and then the loud cry to the world would sound.

So we see that the latter rain message comes first. It produces a shaking among adventists and this shaking is followed by the law of God being made void in the land by a National Sunday Law and then the papacy is again.

And the seventh head of Rev.17 is not a pope but Apostate Protestantism when it shall receive a kingdom one hour with the beast.

"What is it that gives its kingdom to this power (the beast)? Protestantism..." E.G. White, Bible Commentary, Vol.7,983.

And the eighth is the papacy, and he is of the seven, which was before 1798, is not after 1798 (deadly wound) and is again when the wound is healed when apostate protestantism shall give her its power.

So the five heads that John saw in 1798 and which were fallen are Papal Rome, Pagan Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia, Babylon and the one that is in 1798, that took over Papal Rome is Atheistic France, and the one that is yet to come is Apostate Protestantism when it shall receive a kingdom (power from the State) and the eightth, which is of the seven, is the papacy, which was before 1798, is not after 1798, and is again.

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[12tribes]

You sure cut out a lot of writing to bend these statements to meet your insult.

Come on man....

"After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the injunction comes to John as to Daniel in regard to the little book: “Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.” These relate to future events which will be disclosed in their order. Daniel shall stand in his lot at the end of the days. John sees the little book unsealed. Then Daniel’s prophecies have their proper place in the first, second, and third angels’ messages to be given to the world. The unsealing of the little book was the message in relation to time. {7BC 971.4} (Written in 1900)

Are you claiming that the 3 angels messages have been proclaimed with the loud cry yet?

I'm so sick of people trying to attack me to prove their feeble minded support of their own interpretations. I speak as a man here, but obviously not as a brother to most.

What you are teaching on the 7 thunders is not according to the Bible, what you teach in relation to Rev 17 is not according to the Bible. Read the quote you gave on the 7 thunders it is in relation to time, when the little book is open

[jamesonofthunder]

"The first and second messages were given in 1843 and 1844, and we are now under the proclamation of the third; but all three of the messages are still to be proclaimed. Manuscript 32, 1896. {CW 26.2}

[Gibs]

According to this statement by EGW the papacy has had her day, please read,

I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother. {SpM 1.4}

The Papacy will never be the eighth, it only leaves ole Satan.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

"The special light given to John which was expressed in the seven thunders was a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels’ messages. It was not best for the people to know these things, for their faith must necessarily be tested. In the order of God most wonderful and advanced truths would be proclaimed. The first and second angels’ messages were to be proclaimed, but no further light was to be revealed before these messages had done their specific work. This is represented by the angel standing with one foot on the sea, proclaiming with a most solemn oath that time should be no longer. {7BC 971.6}

From Mrs. E. G. White.

The Work for this Time

The Lord has a special message for us to bear to the world, even the third angel’s message. The first and second angels’ messages are bound up with the third. The power of the proclamation of the first and second messages is to be concentrated in the third.

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.” Revelation 14:9, 10.

“After these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power, and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.” Revelation 18:1-5.

We are in danger of giving this message in so indefinite a manner that it does not impress the people.... Our warfare is aggressive. Tremendous issues are before us, yea, and right upon us. Let our prayers ascend to God that the four angels may be commissioned to hold the four winds, that they may not blow to injure or destroy until the last warning has been given to the world.

[jamesonofthunder]

According to this statement by EGW the papacy has had her day, please read,

I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother. {SpM 1.4}

The Papacy will never be the eighth, it only leaves ole Satan.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” Revelation 17:12, 13. As we approach the last crisis, it is of vital moment that harmony and unity exist among the Lord's instrumentalities. The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Yet under one head--the papal power--the people will unite to oppose God in the person of His witnesses. What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath."

Under one head, the papal power... the eighth King, who is of the seven heads.

[jamesonofthunder]

God bless you. Peace.