The Bible Says Christ Rose Early Saturday Morning

[Samie]

No controversy. The Bible has it. All we do is believe.

There is only one verse in the whole Scriptures that explicitly says when our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ rose from the grave. All the other resurrection-related verses only inform us that when some of the Lord's followers went to the sepulcher, all they found was an already empty tomb! But when did He rise? That single verse tells us when.

No wonder, because the truth that verse tells would prove to be disastrous to the lie subtly perpetrated and peddled by the nemesis of truth, the father of lies seemed to have exerted all efforts to thwart any and all attempts to get the truth of that verse into people's minds. Abetted, albeit unawares, by many whom the world considers as pillars of theological studies, the author of untruth seemed to have his way. Many hold the position that because that part of Scripture where the verse is located does not exist in some old manuscripts, that portion of Scriptures could possibly be not authentic. Others contend that the best translation from the Greek manuscripts, is the translation almost all versions have. And to depart from the translation majority agrees with results into raising of eyebrows against any non-conformist from those whom the world considers are in the best position to interpret the Greek Scriptures being more knowledgeable in that language.

But truth cannot remain hidden forever.

When analyzed in the backdrop of Scriptural authority, the truth for which this single verse has the key, will open up the door of understanding to comprehend what others seem to consider as irreconcilable inconsistencies in the gospels. Did not Scriptures tell of four different phrases that describe the length of time from crucifixion to resurrection?

1. 3 days and 3 nights (Matt 12:40)

2. in three days (John 2:19-21)

3. after three days (Matt. 27:63; Mk. 8:31) and

4. third day (Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Mk. 9:31; 10:34; Lk. 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46)

Because the period of time from crucifixion to resurrection is definite, the above four different phrases must necessarily be all equal to that definite period of time. But is 3 days & 3 nights = in 3 days = after 3 days = third day? What appears as inconsistent, is actually consistent when we just let Scripture explain itself.

And that single verse will give us the needed key.

For centuries, the world was made to believe that from Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning before sunrise is a period equal to 3 days and 3 nights = in 3 days = after 3 days = third day despite the fact that it will take a first grader not a very long time to figure out that from Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning before sunrise is a period equal to only 2 days and 2 nights!

Belief in a Friday crucifixion is based on the prosabbaton of Mk 15:42. Yes, prosabbaton is the day before Sabbath. But which Sabbath, the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, or a ceremonial sabbath which could fall on any weekday? Why is the Greek form of "sabbaton" plural in the resurrection verses if only one Sabbath was involved in that paschal week? Don't Scriptures tell us the first day of the feast of unleavend bread on the morrow of Passover is a ceremonial sabbath as well, and therefore the day before it is likewise prosabbaton? Mere contentions do not and cannot solve the issue; only Scriptures can.

And that verse holds the key...

[Samie]

Yes, Christ resurrected not on Sunday, neither on Sabbath afternoon. But on the early morning of the day God gave for man's rest to remind man it is God Who sanctified Him. As God sanctified the Sabbath in creation, so He sanctified man in redemption. As God never had revoked nor will ever revoke the sanctity He accorded the Sabbath, so will He never revoke the sanctity He accorded to man.

But as the enemy of truth had set up a pseudo-Sabbath, Sunday, to replace the true Sabbath, Saturday, so the great deceiver put up a pseudo day of resurrection of the Lord to give a semblance of Scriptural authority to Sunday-keeping. From Sabbath rest to Sunday rest and from early morning Saturday resurrection to early Sunday morning resurrection. Even the true Sabbath keepers were swayed into believing the Sunday morning resurrection.

But truth will not remain hidden forever.

[Samie]

So what verse says Christ rose early Saturday morning?

Of all the resurrection verses, only Mark 16:9 emphatically tells us when Christ rose from the grave; all other verses merely say that when His followers came to the sepulcher they found an already empty tomb. That empty tomb proves He has already risen! When? Only Mark 16:9 tells us when, and it says He rose from the grave “proi prote sabbatou” or "early morning of the chief Sabbath". Why chief Sabbath? Because in that paschal week, other than the weekly Sabbath, which is the 7th day of the week, there likewise occurred a ceremonial Sabbath, the Passover Sabbath. Between a ceremonial Sabbath which the Lord calls ‘your sabbath’ and the weekly Sabbath which He calls ‘My Sabbath’, the chief Sabbath is undoubtedly the weekly Sabbath, Saturday.

If He was resurrected early Saturday morning, when was He crucified, according to Scriptures?

The accounts of Mark and Luke regarding the preparation of spices and ointments will lead us to the weekday of the Lord’s crucifixion. Mark said the preparation was after the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). Luke said it was before the Sabbath (Luke 23:56). No contradiction because Mark was referring to a ceremonial Sabbath which occurred ahead of the weekly Sabbath referred to by Luke. The women prepared the spices the day before they rested the Sabbath of the Decalogue and therefore it was Friday, the day that came when the ceremonial Sabbath referred to by Mark was past, which can only be Thursday. Because Christ was crucified the day before the ceremonial Sabbath (Mark 15:42), the Lord was crucified Wednesday. 3 days and 3 nights later, early Saturday morning, He rose from the grave.

Even astronomical data corroborates this fact. Recall that Passover is a full moon feast. God gave specific instructions that Passover need to be celebrated in its appointed season:

Numbers 9:2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

And the appointed season is the full moon:

ESV Psalm 81:3-4 3 Blow the trumpet at the new moon, at the full moon, on our feast day. 4 For it is a statute for Israel, a rule of the God of Jacob. 5 He made it a decree in Joseph when he went out over 1 the land of Egypt. I hear a language I had not known:

Christ through Whom God created the lights in the firmament “for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years” cannot lose track of when full moon will occur in that Paschal week. His celebrating the Passover a day ahead of the Jewish celebration gives us a hint when full moon actually occurred that week. Astronomical data tell us that a full moon occurred Tuesday, March 27, 31 AD. To insist that Christ celebrated Passover Thursday night is indirectly saying the Saviour violated His own rule. No. He came to fulfill the law, including the one that specifies Passover need to be celebrated on a full moon.

Tuesday evening, full moon, He celebrated Passover a day ahead of the national celebration of the Jews. The following day, Wednesday, on the prosabbaton of the Passover Sabbath of the Jews, the Lord was crucified.

Scriptures have spoken. All we do is believe.

[Gibs]

Samie, try this verse,

Joh 19:31 ¶ The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

You see it was prepartion day and sunset was coming on it and a double Sabbath was at hand, The Passover of those who hung Him and the seventh day Sabbath.

So your thesis would make it even less than 3 days let alone 3 nights are to be reconded with!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Samie]

Gibs,

Yes, it was the preparation. But preparation for what? For the weekly Sabbath or for a ceremonial Sabbath? You quoted John who said it was the preparation. So let him tell us what preparation was that for:

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

There it is. It was preparation of the passover, not for the weekly Sabbath. Recall that passover is followed by a ceremonial sabbath. Nisan 14 of the Jews is Passover and Nisan 15 is a ceremonial sabbath. see Lev 23:5-7; Num 28:16-18.

Your conclusion of a double Sabbath is bereft of Scriptural basis.

[Samie]

Scriptural proof that the weekly Sabbath in that paschal week was not a double sabbath:

The fact that the Saviour was killed “before the Sabbath” (from Greek prosabbaton), does not necessarily mean He was killed Friday, the day before the weekly Sabbath. Recall that Sabbath may either be the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, or a ceremonial Sabbath that could fall on any day of the week (see Lev 23). The 15th and 21st of Nisan, the 1st, 10th, 15th & 21st of the 7th month are examples of ceremonial Sabbaths in the religious calendar of the Jews. Depending on what weekday a ceremonial Sabbath occurs, its corresponding prosabbaton therefore may fall on any weekday, as is the case with the prosabbaton when our Lord was crucified. But is there Scriptural proof that the prosabbaton in Mark 15:42 refers to the prosabbaton of a ceremonial Sabbath?

Allowing the principle that the Bible interprets itself, the answer is a resounding Yes. Let us review the only verse in the whole of Scriptures which used prosabbaton.

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath

Mark says that specific prosabbaton was the preparation. But preparation for what? Others are quick to jump back to Nehemiah 13:19 where the same English phrase “before the Sabbath” was used and come to the conclusion it was preparation for the weekly Sabbath. Although there is sense in jumping back to Nehemiah, it is more proper to consult the gospel writers who wrote of the same events and know from them what the preparation was for. Was that preparation for the weekly Sabbath or preparation for a ceremonial Sabbath? Let us ask John:

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Mark and John combined, inform us the preparation on that specific prosabbaton was preparation of Passover and therefore preparation for a ceremonial Sabbath, and may not necessarily be for the weekly Sabbath as gleaned from Nehemiah who knows nothing of the events transpiring in that paschal week. Still, it is insisted that because John said it was preparation of Passover and Nehemiah said it was preparation for the weekly Sabbath, then proper application of the principles of hermeneutics will tell us the ceremonial Sabbath fell on the weekly Sabbath in that paschal week. Ooh-ooh. Scriptures seem not to agree. Why?

In Mark 16:1, Mark, the one and only Gospel writer who used prosabbaton, clarifies that when the Sabbath of the prosabbaton was past, the women followers of the Lord bought spices, necessary ingredients in the preparation of ointments for embalming.

NKJV Mark 16:1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

On the other hand, Luke tells us these spices and ointments, were first prepared, prior to their resting the Sabbath according to the commandment, and therefore was done before the Sabbath.

NKJV Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

If it is to be insisted that the Sabbath referred to by Mark is the same Sabbath referred to by Luke (as would be the case if the ceremonial Sabbath fell on Saturday), then who tells the truth? The same women followers were doing the same work – preparation of spices and ointments – on the same day. Mark says the work was done after the Sabbath; Luke says it was done before the Sabbath!

But of course, both gospel writers tell the truth. Mark was referring to a ceremonial Sabbath that occurred ahead of the Sabbath of the Decalogue referred to by Luke. The women followers prepared the spices and ointments before the Sabbath of the Decalogue, and therefore Friday, the day that came when the Sabbath referred to by Mark was past, which can only be Thursday. When the ceremonial Sabbath (Thursday) was past, the women followers bought and prepared spices and ointments (Friday) and then rested the Sabbath according to the commandment (Saturday).

Because Christ was crucified on the prosabbaton of the ceremonial Sabbath that then fell on Thursday, we can only come to the inevitable conclusion that the Lord was crucified Wednesday. Three days and three nights later as He specified in Mt 12:40, He rose from the grave on the early morning of Saturday.

[todd_vetter33]

I have never heard the Early Sabbath morning resurrection theory. Nor have I seen anything from the ancient record to support this idea.

The Earliest I would put Christ coming out of the tomb is Saturday Night. Evening time period of the first day of the week. The earliest records 1st and 2nd century, prior to the 3rd and 4th century roman councils has Jesus coming out of the tomb in the midnight hours of the first day of the week Jewish reconning of time.

Theory is interesting but there must be somthing from the ancient historical record to back it or it is simply theory and speculation.

I am one of few willing to go outside of Bible cannon since I know Rome made our bible what it is today and Daniel prophecy states that Rome would smash and destroy. When looking at the history of the bible it's clear this is exactly what they have done. Especially when a person puts the 4 bible gospels to the test against the G-12 Text (document that the 4 bible gospels originated from); then puts all ancient testimony to the test against the time specific laws jesus claimed to fulfill. Great truths are revealed in this manner.

Jesus Rose on the morning of the Seventh day Sabbath? This is the first I have heard of this theory and I have found no ancient document that can corroborate this. If ancient documetation does exist, I would love to add it to this study in the name of being objective. For Jesus to fulfill 3 days and 3 nights according to the scripture of time with out inclusive reconning, He had to be in the tomb for the full duration of the Seventh day Sabbath. He could have risen any time after the Sabbath came to a close for the Prophecy to be fulfilled if Crucified on a Wednesday Preparation day.

The earliest Eye witness testimony to Jesus coming forth from the tomb is from the guards themselves as it's presented in the gospel of Nicodemus. They claim in the midnight hours of the first day of the week. Third century Bishop claims 3 hours after sunset, so three hours into the first day of the week which is approximately the start of the midnight hours. The Bishop based his opnion on the book of Matthew as it appeared in his day.

The study at this link does validate the truth concerning the Wednesday Crucifixion by covering every debatable aspect of this topic.

http://thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

[BobRyan]

So what verse says Christ rose early Saturday morning?

Of all the resurrection verses, only Mark 16:9 emphatically tells us when Christ rose from the grave; all other verses merely say that when His followers came to the sepulcher they found an already empty tomb.

============== Begin Mark 16.

16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

========================== End Quote

Nothing in that sequence of Bible verses says "Jesus was raised early on Sabbath morning".

Here is another gospel account

-========================= Begin Luke 24

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.

2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb.

3 They went in but did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly two men stood by them in dazzling clothes.

5 So the women were terrified and bowed down to the ground.

...

18 The one named Cleopas answered Him, “Are You the only visitor in Jerusalem who doesn’t know the things that happened there in these days?”

19 “What things?” He asked them.

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Prophet powerful in action and speech before God and all the people,

20 and how our chief priests and leaders handed Him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified Him.

21 But we were hoping that He was the One who was about to redeem Israel. Besides all this, it’s the third day since these things happened.

================================= end quote.

the Bible tells us what the THIRD day is since the crucifixion. It is week-day-1 -- what we call today "Sunday".

in Christ,

Bob

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Samie

So what verse says Christ rose early Saturday morning?

Of all the resurrection verses, only Mark 16:9 emphatically tells us when Christ rose from the grave; all other verses merely say that when His followers came to the sepulcher they found an already empty tomb.

============== Begin Mark 16.

16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

========================== End Quote

Nothing in that sequence of Bible verses says "Jesus was raised early on Sabbath morning".

Here is another gospel account

-========================= Begin Luke 24

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.

2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb.

3 They went in but did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly two men stood by them in dazzling clothes.

5 So the women were terrified and bowed down to the ground.

...

18 The one named Cleopas answered Him, “Are You the only visitor in Jerusalem who doesn’t know the things that happened there in these days?”

19 “What things?” He asked them.

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Prophet powerful in action and speech before God and all the people,

20 and how our chief priests and leaders handed Him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified Him.

21 But we were hoping that He was the One who was about to redeem Israel. Besides all this, it’s the third day since these things happened.

================================= end quote.

the Bible tells us what the THIRD day is since the crucifixion. It is week-day-1 -- what we call today "Sunday".

in Christ,

Bob

Exactly Bob,

[Samie]

I have never heard the Early Sabbath morning resurrection theory. Nor have I seen anything from the ancient record to support this idea.

[Samie]

the Bible tells us what the THIRD day is since the crucifixion. It is week-day-1 -- what we call today "Sunday".

Hi Bob,

I can't and won't blame you nor anybody else for believing and defending that Sunday is the 3rd day since crucifixion. I am here to present only what Scriptures say.

May I just remind you that the Greek phrase in the Gospel verses you quoted from which the English phrase "first day of the week" is derived from, is "mia ton sabbaton" both in Mark 16:2 & Luke 24:1. "sabbaton" in those verses is plural.

"mia ton sabbaton" is "one of the sabbaths". (Compare "mia ton paidiskon" translated "one of the maids" in Mk 14:66; and "mia ton sunagogon" translated "one of the synagogues" in Lk 13:10). Why do you think the translators translated "mia ton sabbaton" into "first day of the week"? We can only surmise.

But you yourself can see the word "day" is inserted. There is no "hemera" in the verse. And "sabbaton" is "sabbath" not "week". And you very well know that koine Greek has "hebdomas" for "week".

Gospel writers wrote about Sabbath. As to why translators made it appear they wrote about the first day of the week, Sunday, is not for me to address.

As to the third day issue, my next post will address it.

[Samie]

Scriptural proof only a Wednesday crucifixion and early Saturday morning resurrection snugly fits into the FOUR (4) different phrases that describe the length of time from Crucifixion to Resurrection:

In my earlier posts, it was shown from Scriptures Christ was crucified Wednesday and after 3 days and 3 nights, He resurrected on the early morning of the chief Sabbath - Saturday.

But others may ask: if He were to resurrect on the third day after crucifixion, as Scriptures say, and if He was indeed crucified Wednesday, will He not then resurrect on Friday, the 3rd day from Wednesday?

Note that there were actually FOUR (4) different phrases the Bible used to describe the length of time from crucifixion to resurrection:

1. 3 days and 3 nights (Matt 12:40)

2. in three days (John 2:19-21)

3. after three days (Matt. 27:63; Mk. 8:31) and

4. third day (Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Mk. 9:31; 10:34; Lk. 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46)

Only the Wednesday crucifixion and early Saturday morning resurrection easily fits all these phrases.

1. 3 days and 3 nights.

From Wednesday daytime to Saturday before sunrise is 3 days and 3 nights:

Daytime Wednesday = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday = night 1

Daytime Thursday = day 2

Nighttime Thursday = night 2

Daytime Friday = day 3

Nighttime Friday (which extends up to before sunrise Saturday) = night 3

On the other hand, from Friday daytime to Sunday before sunrise is only 2 days and 2 nights:

Daytime Friday = day 1

Nighttime Friday = night 1

Daytime Saturday = day 2

Nighttime Saturday (which extends up to before sunrise Sunday) = night 2

Hence, the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection fails the test. Even the reckoning that Christ was delivered to the hands of His enemies Thursday night will fail this test by one daytime:

Nigthtime Thursday = night 1

Daytime Friday = day 1

Nighttime Friday = night 2

Daytime Saturday = day 2

Nighttime Saturday (which extends up to before sunrise Sunday) = night 3

From nighttime Thursday to early morning Sunday before sunrise is only 2 days and 3 nights.

Even the 72-hour advocates from Wednesday Crucifixion to late Saturday resurrection fail the test by having a daytime excess:

Daytime Wednesday = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday = night 1

Daytime Thursday = day 2

Nighttime Thursday = night 2

Daytime Friday = day 3

Nighttime Friday = night 3

Daytime Saturday = day 4. For a total of 4 days and 3 nights.

2. in three days.

The Bible defines a day as having a night and a day (Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31). Therefore, 'in three days' is actually in 3 nights and 3 days or 3 days and 3 nights. Again the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection cannot fit this because it only has 2 days and 2 nights or 2 nights and 2 days.

3. after three days.

After 3 days from Wednesday = Saturday.

Proof:

After 1 day from Wednesday = Thursday

After 2 days from Wednesday = Friday

Therefore: After 3 days from Wednesday = Saturday.

On the other hand, After 1 day from Friday = Saturday. After 2 days from Friday = Sunday. Therefore, the Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection cannot fit because Sunday is “after 2 days” from Friday, whereas the Bible specifies “after 3 days”.

4. third day.

The Bible tells us that the phrase 'third day' is likewise equivalent to 'after three days':

2 Chronicles 10:5 And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

2 Chronicles 10:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.

Although the Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection could fit the “third day” specification in the way we count, yet it cannot fit the Biblical account which equates the phrase “third day” into the phrase “after three days”. It is only the Wednesday crucifixion and early Saturday morning resurrection that snugly fits into the FOUR (4) Biblical specifications.

And above all these or even in the absence of the above, Scriptures indicate the Lord was crucified the day before the ceremonial sabbath following passover. Earlier, it had been shown from Scriptures that that ceremonial Sabbath then fell on Thursday, and therefore the Lord was crucified Wednesday. 3 days and 3 nights after, on early morning of the chief Sabbath, Saturday, the Lord resurrected as the Greek Bible in Mark 16:9 says.

Even the late 4th century Latin Vulgate of Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus refers to this resurrection as occurring on "prima sabbati":

From the Biblia Sacra Iuxta Vulgatam Versionem (Vulgate Latin Bible), edited by R. Weber, B. Fischer, J. Gribomont, H.F.D. Sparks, and W. Thiele [at Beuron and Tuebingen]. Copyright © 1969, 1975, 1983 by Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (German Bible Society), Stuttgart. Used by permission.

Quote:

Mark 16:9 surgens autem mane prima sabbati apparuit primo Mariae Magdalenae de qua eiecerat septem daemonia

Scriptures have spoken. All we do is believe.

[Samie]

This is in reply to post #575717, posted by Gerhard...

First, thank you for reading my posts in this thread.

Second, You are Gerhard Ebersoehn, aren't you?

Third, You also posted under different forum names like Seventh day, didn't you, GE?

Fourth, why resort to using different forum names?

Fifth, I notice that, as with our previous discussions, you still can't let go of ad hominems.

Sixth, please address the issue. Reserve and bring your ad hominems somewhere else.

Seventh and last, thank you for heeding my request, brother.

[Samie]

There are some who poses the following objection to early Saturday morning resurrection:

Christ is Lord of the Sabbath and He cannot resurrect on the day of rest He Himself instituted for man. Instead He rested on Sabbath in the tomb and resurrected on Sunday.

Answer.

If His stay in the tomb is considered rest and an expression of the Saviour's approval that indeed Saturday is rest day, then that approval must necessarily extend to portion of Sunday where He was, as alleged, still in the tomb. This reasoning then shares with Sunday the blessings God bestowed only upon the weekly Sabbath. Unscriptural.

The Saviour's stay in the tomb is far from being a rest. Resting is being refreshed. If His stay in the tomb is for Him really a rest, then why would He pray that if possible the cup pass from Him (Mt 26:39)? His stay in the tomb is penalty for all sins of humanity, a separation from His Father with Whom He has been since eternity past. Is that resting when He is carrying upon His shoulders the sins of humanity, and separated from His Father, the Provider of true rest? Is that resting when the Psalmist describes Him as being in hell? see Ps 16:10; compare Acts 2:27. 13:35.

[Samie]

Reply to GE:

The 3 nights are in my posts. Read my posts again. From Wednesday crucifixion to early Saturday morning resurrection is 3 days and 3 nights (Mt 12:40). Here again:

Daytime Wednesday = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday = night 1

Daytime Thursday = day 2

Nighttime Thursday = night 2

Daytime Friday = day 3

Nighttime Friday (which extends up to before sunrise Saturday) = night 3

I gave the Scriptural basis why the crucifixion was Wednesday. Scriptures record the Lord resurrected on "proi prote sabbatou" or "early morning of the chief sabbath", Saturday (Mk 16:9). Refute them if you wish, brother.

[Samie]

Some point out the following observation to justify the translation of "sabbatou" to "week":

The genitive "sabbatou" is translated "week" in Luke 18:12. It is not therefore altogether improper to translate "proi prote sabbatou" into "early morning of the first day of the week".

Answer.

Greek Bible Luke 18:12 nesteuo dis tou sabbatou apodekato panta osa ktomai

NKJV Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.

In the proof verse used, the Greek phrase “dis tou sabbatou” was translated into “twice a week” in the NKJV. But why not “twice on Sabbath”? The reason, they say, is that fasting twice a week is more conceivable than fasting twice on Sabbath. The danger with this reasoning is that the conclusion is based on what people's own minds conceive rather on what the praying Pharisee in the verse really means. True, no mortal can read the mind of that self-righteous Pharisee, but the conclusion that to fast twice on Sabbath is not conceivable, and so sabbatou = week is a conclusion bereft of Scriptural basis.

Truth of the matter is there is no Scriptural record of fasting twice a week, instead, it is fasting twice a day that is Scriptural. The Bible delineates fasting in the daytime vis-à-vis fasting at nighttime.

When the Israelites hesitated to battle against the tribe of Benjamin they “fasted that day until even” (Judges 20:26). Upon knowing of the death of Saul and Jonathan, David and his men “fasted until even” (2 Samuel 1:12). When Daniel was thrown into the den of lions, King Darius “passed the night fasting” (Daniel 6:18). If we read Daniel’s prayer and supplication (see Daniel 9), it will not take us more than five minutes but the scripture says it was done with fasting (Daniel 9:3).

Fasting for a short period in a day is practiced by the apostles themselves (Acts 13:3; 14:23). Fasting twice a day is not a product of imagination. Christ Himself “fasted forty days and forty nights” (Matthew 4:2). Taken one day at a time, that is fasting twice a day, one at daytime, the other at nighttime.

Based on these Scriptural accounts, the prayer of that Pharisee could really be, that on the Sabbath he is fasting day and night, rather than change ‘Sabbath’ to ‘week’ based on no clear cut Scriptural account but on the imagination of the translators, no matter how fertile.

[John317]

Some point out the following observation to justify the translation of "sabbatou" to "week":

The genitive "sabbatou" is translated "week" in Luke 18:12. It is not therefore altogether improper to translate "proi prote sabbatou" into "early morning of the first day of the week".

Answer.

Greek Bible Luke 18:12 nesteuo dis tou sabbatou apodekato panta osa ktomai

NKJV Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.

In the proof verse used, the Greek phrase dis tou sabbatou was translated into twice a week in the NKJV. But why not twice on Sabbath? The reason, they say, is that fasting twice a week is more conceivable than fasting twice on Sabbath.

The Septuagint (LXX) also contains very strong evidence in the Psalms that the usual translation of "sabbatou" to mean week in Luke 24: 1 and in Luke 18: 12, etc., is correct.

[Samie]

Originally Posted By: Samie

Some point out the following observation to justify the translation of "sabbatou" to "week":

The genitive "sabbatou" is translated "week" in Luke 18:12. It is not therefore altogether improper to translate "proi prote sabbatou" into "early morning of the first day of the week".

Answer.

Greek Bible Luke 18:12 nesteuo dis tou sabbatou apodekato panta osa ktomai

NKJV Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.

In the proof verse used, the Greek phrase dis tou sabbatou was translated into twice a week in the NKJV. But why not twice on Sabbath? The reason, they say, is that fasting twice a week is more conceivable than fasting twice on Sabbath.

The Septuagint (LXX) also contains very strong evidence in the Psalms that the usual translation of "sabbatou" to mean week in Luke 24: 1 and in Luke 18: 12, etc., is correct.

[phkrause]

Reply to GE:

The 3 nights are in my posts. Read my posts again. From Wednesday crucifixion to early Saturday morning resurrection is 3 days and 3 nights (Mt 12:40). Here again:

Daytime Wednesday = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday = night 1

Daytime Thursday = day 2

Nighttime Thursday = night 2

Daytime Friday = day 3

Nighttime Friday (which extends up to before sunrise Saturday) = night 3

I gave the Scriptural basis why the crucifixion was Wednesday. Scriptures record the Lord resurrected on "proi prote sabbatou" or "early morning of the chief sabbath", Saturday (Mk 16:9). Refute them if you wish, brother.

The problem here Samie is that in the Jewish/Isralite and Bible times (and even today) mindset as it was at creation, it's not day than night, but night than day, this is the way it goes. So in your example it turns out to be parts of 4 days and nights. And as I've mentioned before, in the Jewish mindset 3 days doesn't necessarily mean 3 24 hour periods. Because if we take friday (preparation day: per the Bible) that would be day one; than we have night and day (which would be the Sabbath) and day 2 and than when he rises early in the morning of Sunday or for that matter at anytime after the Sabbath is over! That than would constitute the 3rd day for all Jews period. Therefore fulfilling the requirement of the prophecy.

[BobRyan]

If the "First day of the week" Luke 24 - is the "Third day" since Jesus was crucified -- then that means He was crucified on Friday and was raised on Sunday morning.

Friday is day 1.

Saturday is day 2

and Sunday (the first day of the week according to Luke 24) is day 3 -- the "third day" since the events of Christ's trial and crucifixion.

in Christ,

Bob

[Samie]

Originally Posted By: Samie

Reply to GE:

The 3 nights are in my posts. Read my posts again. From Wednesday crucifixion to early Saturday morning resurrection is 3 days and 3 nights (Mt 12:40). Here again:

Daytime Wednesday = day 1

Nighttime Wednesday = night 1

Daytime Thursday = day 2

Nighttime Thursday = night 2

Daytime Friday = day 3

Nighttime Friday (which extends up to before sunrise Saturday) = night 3

I gave the Scriptural basis why the crucifixion was Wednesday. Scriptures record the Lord resurrected on "proi prote sabbatou" or "early morning of the chief sabbath", Saturday (Mk 16:9). Refute them if you wish, brother.

The problem here Samie is that in the Jewish/Isralite and Bible times (and even today) mindset as it was at creation, it's not day than night, but night than day, this is the way it goes. So in your example it turns out to be parts of 4 days and nights.

[Samie]

If the "First day of the week" Luke 24 - is the "Third day" since Jesus was crucified -- then that means He was crucified on Friday and was raised on Sunday morning.

Friday is day 1.

Saturday is day 2

and Sunday (the first day of the week according to Luke 24) is day 3 -- the "third day" since the events of Christ's trial and crucifixion.

in Christ,

Bob

But the first day of the week is not in Lk 24 in the Greek Scriptures from where all other Bible versions in different languages derived their contents.

The Greek phrase from which the English phrase "first day of the week" is derived, is "mia ton sabbaton" in Luke 24:1. "sabbaton" in that verse is plural.

"mia ton sabbaton" is "one of the sabbaths". (Compare "mia ton paidiskon" translated "one of the maids" in Mk 14:66; and "mia ton sunagogon" translated "one of the synagogues" in Lk 13:10).

In the Greek Scriptures, Luke wrote that the coming to the sepulcher was on "one of the Sabbaths", NOT on the first day of the week, which is NEVER a Sabbath in that paschal week.

[Lysimachus]

Well stated Gerhard!

[Samie]

Reply to GE & Lysimachus:

You have to ask the translators why they did not use "First of the maids" for "mia ton paidiskon" or whether they have any objection to that.

I was merely pointing out parallel translations of similar nature.

If translators translated "mia ton paidiskon" into "one of the maids" and "mia ton sunagogon" into "one of the synagogues", then the phrase "mia ton sabbaton" is unquestionably "one of the sabbaths".

What is questionable is equating the plural "sabbaths" into the singular "week". I believe there is no Scriptural basis for that. Unless you know of just even one. Is there, Brothers GE & Lysimachus?

[John317]

You were referring to Psalms as containing "very strong evidence in the Psalms that the usual translation of 'sabbatou' to mean week" is correct.

In the Septuagint, there are only 3 verses in Psalms using "sabbatou". Only one remained in the English translations, Ps 91:1, which is Ps 92:1 in the English translations; the other two, Ps 37:1 and Ps 47:1 were mysteriously not included in the English translations.

From LXX Septuaginta (LXT) (Old Greek Jewish Scriptures) edited by Alfred Rahlfs, Copyright © 1935 by the Württembergische Bibelanstalt / Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (German Bible Society), Stuttgart. Used by permission:

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Ps 37:1 psalmo to Dauid eis anamnesin peri sabbatou

Psalm 47:1 psalmo udes tois huios Kore deutera sabbatou

Psalm 91:1 psalmo udes eis ten hemeran tou sabbatou

The corresponding English translation (from the KJV; the one chapter misalignment started in Ps 9 where the English translations divided Ps 9 of the Septuagint into Ps 9 & 10):

Quote:

Psalm 38:1 A Psalm of David, to bring to remembrance

Psalm 48:1 A Song and Psalm for the sons of Korah

Psalm 92:1 A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day

I just can't see the strong evidence favoring the translation of sabbatou into week. Instead the "sabbatou" in Ps 91:1 of the Septuagint was translated "sabbath" in the KJV, favoring my stand on Mark 16:9.

About Ps. 37: 1 (38: 1 in the KJV): --psalmos to Dauid eis anamnesin peri sabbatou

This is correctly translated, "A Psalm of David for remembrance concerning the Sabbath."

About Ps. 91 (92 in the KJV):-- psalmos odees eis thn hemeran tou sabbatou

"thn hemeran tou sabbatou" is literally "the day of the sabbath"

This is correctly translated, "A Psalm of a song for the Sabbath-day."

Now compare the Greek of Psalm 92 with the Greek of Mark 16: 9-- protee sabbatou (lit. first [day] of [the] week).

They are not the same construction and therefore they do not signify the same thing.