Woody Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Should your pastor be voicing his political opinions? And I don't just mean from the pulpit. I mean on FB or CA or anywhere. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
bonnie Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Should your pastor be voicing his political opinions? And I don't just mean from the pulpit. I mean on FB or CA or anywhere. If ours did from the pulpit I would leave.That is no place for a personal political opinion Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Dr. Shane Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Certainly not from the pulpit. When expressing their political opinions away from the pulpit, they should make it clear that disagreeing with them does not mean a person is any less of a Christian. It is certainly a sensitive ground because God does not call men to be pastors so they can lead people politically. Politicians are called to be politicians and pastors are called to be pastors. Two distinct callings. Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted November 9, 2012 Author Posted November 9, 2012 Quote: When expressing their political opinions away from the pulpit, they should make it clear that disagreeing with them does not mean a person is any less of a Christian. Here lies the problem - Some pastors have such a following that whatever they say is like the voice of God. Now it should not be that way - but I have a FB friend in this kind of position. He preaches strongly about politics and ties it to the Bible of course. His flock is strongly behind his every word - like a cheering section. It bothers me that he has tied himself to politics. I am of the persuasion that a pastor should forfeit and give up his or her right to voice political beliefs in public. I realize how hard that sounds. But the alternative is just as bad. And I am thinking mostly of Facebook . If the pastor does not have members of his congregation in a place like Club A - I might consider it okay to voice his or her political persuasions here. And of course it could be done here with out proclaiming one's identity. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Members phkrause Posted November 9, 2012 Members Posted November 9, 2012 Certainly not from the pulpit. When expressing their political opinions away from the pulpit, they should make it clear that disagreeing with them does not mean a person is any less of a Christian. It is certainly a sensitive ground because God does not call men to be pastors so they can lead people politically. Politicians are called to be politicians and pastors are called to be pastors. Two distinct callings. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators lazarus Posted November 9, 2012 Moderators Posted November 9, 2012 Pastors are people too! Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
bonnie Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Pastors are people too! To Whom Much Is Given To Whom Much Is Given. "For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." -- Luke 12:48 Pastors,like anyone in a position of leadership have willingly accepted the responsibilities and obligations of their "calling" We all have responsibilities,some we don't like and don't do well at. Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Quote: When expressing their political opinions away from the pulpit, they should make it clear that disagreeing with them does not mean a person is any less of a Christian. Here lies the problem - Some pastors have such a following that whatever they say is like the voice of God. Now it should not be that way - but I have a FB friend in this kind of position. He preaches strongly about politics and ties it to the Bible of course. His flock is strongly behind his every word - like a cheering section. It bothers me that he has tied himself to politics. I am of the persuasion that a pastor should forfeit and give up his or her right to voice political beliefs in public. I realize how hard that sounds. But the alternative is just as bad. And I am thinking mostly of Facebook . If the pastor does not have members of his congregation in a place like Club A - I might consider it okay to voice his or her political persuasions here. And of course it could be done here with out proclaiming one's identity. The internet can be almost as anonymous as a party line on your phone. I know and follow a couple of pastors on facebook.I don't ever respond but I enjoy reading what they have to say. They never express distain for anyone.They do confirm their biblical beliefs. Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Gibs Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 A pastors job is to preach the Word of God and very few these days do that. You better read the Bible for yourself and let the Holy Spirit be your guide! oh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come . 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. A Freeman In Jesus Christ
skyblue888 Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Pray tell me, can a citizen of another country take part in the political campaign of another country or vote in that country? "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Woody Posted November 9, 2012 Author Posted November 9, 2012 WOODY the pastor should not voice his political view from the pulpit ----period end of subject dgrimm60 Yes - but that is not the end of the story. For I asked much more in this thread. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted November 9, 2012 Moderators Posted November 9, 2012 Pastors will always be criticized for being political when there is a thus saith The Lord that folks don't like. MLk, Bonhoffer and a few more got into trouble particularly from their establishment loving colleagues. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
skyblue888 Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Pray tell me, can a citizen of another country take part in the political campaign of another country or vote in that country? Unless we have a clear answer to this question we cannot determine whether, for sure, minister or not, Christians should take part in any political campaign in this world. All agree that a Canadian citizen cannot take part in the political campaigns of another country or vote in that country unless he has become a citizen of that country. What is our country? Where is the Christian's country? Let me ask you this question: Can the ambassador of Canada to the US meddle with the political affairs of that country? In other words, Can the Christian whose citizenship is in Heaven (Phil.3:20) and who is the ambassador of Christ to this world (2 Cor.5:20) meddle with the political affairs of the governments of this world? sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
bonnie Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Pastors will always be criticized for being political when there is a thus saith The Lord that folks don't like. MLk, Bonhoffer and a few more got into trouble particularly from their establishment loving colleagues. The problem is not with any pastor that says "thus saith The Lord" That should always be safe ground Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
skyblue888 Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Originally Posted By: lazarus Pastors will always be criticized for being political when there is a thus saith The Lord that folks don't like. MLk, Bonhoffer and a few more got into trouble particularly from their establishment loving colleagues. The problem is not with any pastor that says "thus saith The Lord" That should always be safe ground That's true bonnie, unless he uses the Bible in a way that would give the wrong impression. sky :) "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
bonnie Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 That's true bonnie, unless he uses the Bible in a way that would give the wrong impression. sky A lot of people don't like the "thus saith the Lord". More than once I have found myself thinking,AWW,come on" It is often turned and twisted as back up that you(general) are on the side of the Lord,making others less than you are to make yourself more than they Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Textus Receptus Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 I am of the opinion that it is futile to continue to put faith in a nation that is the 2nd beast of Revelation. I believe that Rome is deeply entrenched in all facets of government, as such what are we really voting for? I for one am not going to go into some delusion that my vote will change prophecy. When exactly will you stop voting? Will it be right before persecution starts? Honestly, we are living in the days of Revelation. It is not some distant event, but now. Rome will not have control of our nation, it HAS control! As for pastors giving their recommendations, request, or anything else, it is not the place. They should be more concerned with helping them become citizens of a heavenly kingdom and not of Caesar's. 13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Happy Sabbath!
jasd Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 QR frame: A Pator is simply a shepherd of his 'flock'. A Pastor's duties are more than holy palaver. This nation was founded on Covenants with Gd, which the Supreme Court reiterated by finding that this nation is a Xtian nation. A Pastor who shirks his other duties to his 'flock' - does not do the will of Gd and ought not be called Pastor. The most feared of those who fought for America in her Revolutionary War were the Black-robed - and that does not translate to Jesuits. Should one attempt to deny a Pastor his 'political' voice - well, go on and do the job right and excise his testaments as well. Yumpin' jiminy! --Pogo
skyblue888 Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 This nation was founded on Covenants with Gd, which the Supreme Court reiterated by finding that this nation is a Xtian nation. jasd As far as the Constitution of the United States is concerned, it is not a "Christian nation." Never was. If they are now saying it is, then they are ignoring the Constitution and they have apostatized. The Constitution of the US was framed in order to ensure the separation of Church and State, not to make it a Christian nation. If some are saying that that it is a Christian nation, then Christianity in the US would be the state religion. How could this be unless the Constitution was amended or done away with? The Constitution forbids it. Show us the evidence that the Constitution declares the US to be a Christian nation. We also hear of the US being a democracy. A democracy is the rule of the majority. The US is not a democracy but a Republic. There is a huge difference. The Republic of the US prevents the majority to rule in order to protect the minorities. There are elements of a democracy in the Republic of the US but it is not a democracy. sky "The merits of His sacrifice are sufficient to present to the Father in our behalf." S.C.36.
Members phkrause Posted November 10, 2012 Members Posted November 10, 2012 A pastors job is to preach the Word of God and very few these days do that. You better read the Bible for yourself and let the Holy Spirit be your guide! oh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come . 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. It shouldn't matter if a pastor is doing his job, we still need to be reading and studying for ourselves. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted November 10, 2012 Members Posted November 10, 2012 Some great points sky. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
jasd Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 Quote: Quote:jasdThis nation was founded on Covenants with Gd, which the Supreme Court reiterated by finding that this nation is a Xtian nation. >>As far as the Constitution of the United States is concerned, it is not a "Christian nation." Never was.<< If you’ll read my quote you’ll see that I never mentioned the Constitution. >>If they are now saying it is, then they are ignoring the Constitution and they have apostatized. The Constitution of the US was framed in order to ensure the separation of Church and State, not to make it a Christian nation.<< Those who shill for ‘separation…’ can never find cause in the Constitution. Perhaps, it is you who can provide the Amendment, Article, Clause, or whatever in the Constitution “ensuring the separation of Church and State”. Matter-of-fact, the idea of ‘separation…’ derives from a response from Thomas Jefferson to a letter he received from the Danbury (Connecticut) Baptist Association – wherein he used the phrase ‘wall of separation between church and state’. From that letter the present meaning and intent of the so-called ‘establishment clause’ was wrested from the Constitution and has since wrought great harm to this nation. >>If some are saying that that it is a Christian nation, then Christianity in the US would be the state religion. How could this be unless the Constitution was amended or done away with? The Constitution forbids it.<< The ‘establishment clause’ in the Constitution so often appealed to when seeking to prohibit such as a crèche upon the village green at X’mastime - prohibits the establishment by Congress of a National (or state) religion. That’s it! Says nothing about or against State’s Rights (protected by the 10th Amendment). It does not nullify simple facts easily ascertained with recourse to the plainly spoken English and history; moreover, I repeat, it limited only the Congress’ – should it have wished to establish a national or ’state’ religion. (note: it may be, as I recollect, that all States have since ‘disestablished’.) Since then, the 14th Amendment has been used to support a ‘separation…’ concept – with its “Due Process” clause... >>Show us the evidence that the Constitution declares the US to be a Christian nation.<< How can you so misread my quote? My quote states that it was the US Supreme Court which found that this nation is a Xtian nation; nowhere did I state that the Constitution “declares” it. Be that as it may, following: “These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.” –Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892) >>We also hear of the US being a democracy. A democracy is the rule of the majority. The US is not a democracy but a Republic.<< Ain not this apples and oranges? >>There is a huge difference.<< Indeed. >>The Republic of the US prevents the majority to rule in order to protect the minorities. There are elements of a democracy in the Republic of the US but it is not a democracy.<< “to protect the minorities”? Really?—the right to own slaves was specifically written into the Constitution. Am not a Constitutional scholar, but when all of the above is said and done – my quote stands as factually stated.
Nic Samojluk Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 WOODY the pastor should not voice his political view from the pulpit ----period end of subject dgrimm60 How about the church bulletin? The problem I see is that there is no way to impose such restriction on all churches in a balanced and objective manner. Black pastors will never agree to avoid mixing politics with religion. This is in their blood. Consequently, if the government has no way to silence black preachers, then it is unfair to impose such restriction on non-black pastors.
CoAspen Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 Quote: Black pastors will never agree to avoid mixing politics with religion. This is in their blood. Wow!! Are you black! Do you speak for all black pastors? Ridiculous statement!!
Moderators lazarus Posted November 12, 2012 Moderators Posted November 12, 2012 Quote: Black pastors will never agree to avoid mixing politics with religion. This is in their blood. Wow!! Are you black! Do you speak for all black pastors? Ridiculous statement!! Ridiculous indeed. Falwell, Robertson, Graham. I wonder what's in their blood. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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