Guest Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Christian Teen Forced By School To Change ‘Inappropriate’ Pro-Abstinence T-Shirt http://conservativevideos.com/2013/02/ch...inence-t-shirt/
joeb Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 This comes at no surprise to me. The public school system in this country has been calling anything that promotes conservative values "inappropriate" for a couple of years now. Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
Igakusei Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Given that the shirt said "Don't drink and park; accidents cause kids," this appears to be the relevant line from the school district's dress code policy: Quote: Jewelry, and accessories shall not convey messages that are crude; vulgar/profane; violent/death-oriented; gang related; sexually suggestive; and/or promoting alcohol, drugs, or tobacco. But please, don't let facts [get in the way of] posting headlines designed to imply that it was deemed inappropriate because it was pro-abstinence. This sort of thing crops up fairly regularly in conservative media, and they never tell [us] about the blanket policy that blocks expression of both sides of a given controversy that I inevitably find when I track down the source. Eventually you're left with the impression that school systems are treating conservative values as "inappropriate," when that's anything but true. [some] expect to be given special treatment, and when [they] don't get it [they] act like martyrs. I believe in life before death
Planey Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Graeme Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Guest Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Quote: Jewelry, and accessories shall not convey messages that are crude; vulgar/profane; violent/death-oriented; gang related; sexually suggestive; and/or promoting alcohol, drugs, or tobacco. But please, don't let facts [get in the way of] posting headlines designed to imply that it was deemed inappropriate because it was pro-abstinence. The shirt suggests that you DON"T have sex. Quite the opposite of the meaning of "sexually suggestive". And it also didn't promote alcohol, drugs, or tobacco. But don't let those little facts [get in the way of] jumping on the "Ban anything that might be Godly" bandwagon!
cricket Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 The school made the right decision. The t-shirt in question used sexual innuendo. That is inappropriate for any high schooler to wear while on school grounds.
M. T. Cross Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 It has nothing to do with it being Godly or unGodly. The school rules clearly state that any clothing that has a sexually suggestive phrase on it is not allowed. Now that shirt can get kids thinking about sex and next thing you know........ more to the point though , it makes a suggestion about sex, therefor is sexually suggestive. Pretty simple.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 1, 2013 Administrators Posted March 1, 2013 The shirt suggests that you DON"T have sex. Quite the opposite of the meaning of "sexually suggestive". And it also didn't promote alcohol, drugs, or tobacco. I think that the message can very easily be taken to mean to not mix drinking and sex. The implication of "accidents" in the context simply means unplanned/unprotected sex that results in an unwanted pregnancy. The idea is that drinking impairs judgment and lowers any inhibitions that might prevent going too far or doing so without using birth control. That is clearly not an abstinence message. "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
joeb Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 I think that the message can very easily be taken to mean to not mix drinking and sex. The implication of "accidents" in the context simply means unplanned/unprotected sex that results in an unwanted pregnancy. The idea is that drinking impairs judgment and lowers any inhibitions that might prevent going too far or doing so without using birth control. That is clearly not an abstinence message. I guess you can get any meaning you want out of something if you parse it far enough. No wonder people have so little use for lawyers. Meanwhile, the public school system in this country that bans messages like this hand out all types of birth control, including the morning after pill in some places. If that isn't sending a message to teens to go ahead and have sex I don't know what does. I see the behavior of the school system itself as much more dangerous than a supposedly, and I do mean supposedly, suggestive t-shirt worn by a kid, as it's the authority figures themselves encouraging the risky behavior. Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
Guest Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 I think you may have a point there Joeb. If schools had handed out those things when I was in high school, we would have seen it as a giant green light. Instead, we had to generate our own green lights, which we did fairly well, I guess. In Sex Ed. class, they just told us not to do it. But very few listened, of course. It wasn't that long ago either. Seems like it was yesterday!
olger Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 Speaking of inappropriate. Logged on to CA seven minutes ago and saw this: "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
olger Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 Regarding the above picture, one wonders if Club Adventist is offering a gathering place for Christian believers or a course on female upper-body distinction. I know, the Administrator will claim that we have no control over ads. But this is inappropriate and we do have control over whether we allow these kind of Ads, don't we. I mean, they have a plug that can be pulled don't they? "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Members phkrause Posted March 1, 2013 Members Posted March 1, 2013 Don't know, but this couldn't be taken up with Stan first????? phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
joeb Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 Don't know, but this couldn't be taken up with Stan first????? Huh? This is an ad that might be seen by anyone who enters this site. So what's the point of trying to make this a private issue? It's already out there for anyone to see. I've seen similar stuff before I started blocking ads. Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
cricket Posted March 1, 2013 Posted March 1, 2013 The thing is (and I've tried to say it in various different ways and forms) those ads are targeted toward the individual user. Google bases the ads you receive on YOUR OWN PERSONAL SURFING BEHAVIORS and on the things Google believes YOU might be interested in seeing/viewing. If you want to change the types of ads YOU see, then you need to change your viewing habits. Clean your cookies. Then, go to this post and read up on how to change YOUR preferences for Google Ads: http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/608520/Google_Ads.html#Post608520 It's not that difficult.
Moderators Bravus Posted March 1, 2013 Moderators Posted March 1, 2013 The ads come up sort-of-randomly, in response to discussion topics, and to clicks on ads. *Someone* here is clicking on ads for dating sites, and/or talking about subjects that make Google's robots think that's the stuff that will be fruitful to advertise here. Stan can only react: he's *very* good if an unacceptable ad is pointed out at blocking it immediately. If people were willing to pay more for the privilege of using this site, ads wouldn't be necessary. Since they're not, ads are an annoying necessity. Truth is important
Members phkrause Posted March 2, 2013 Members Posted March 2, 2013 The ads come up sort-of-randomly, in response to discussion topics, and to clicks on ads. *Someone* here is clicking on ads for dating sites, and/or talking about subjects that make Google's robots think that's the stuff that will be fruitful to advertise here. Stan can only react: he's *very* good if an unacceptable ad is pointed out at blocking it immediately. If people were willing to pay more for the privilege of using this site, ads wouldn't be necessary. Since they're not, ads are an annoying necessity. Exactly Bravus. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted March 2, 2013 Members Posted March 2, 2013 Excellent post cricket. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted March 2, 2013 Members Posted March 2, 2013 Originally Posted By: pkrause Don't know, but this couldn't be taken up with Stan first????? Huh? This is an ad that might be seen by anyone who enters this site. So what's the point of trying to make this a private issue? It's already out there for anyone to see. I've seen similar stuff before I started blocking ads. What do you mean "huh?" Its very simple, you have a problem with something or someone? Take it up with them! Besides now that it gets into a post, most definitely will it be seen by many more than was intended. And I was going to say what cricket mentioned, but I didn't want to embarrass anyone. phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
CoAspen Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Quote: I guess you can get any meaning you want out of something if you parse it far enough. No wonder people have so little use for lawyers. Would you like TW to tell us why you shouldn't be listened to? Your respect for others is sadly lacking!!
Guest Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Quote: I guess you can get any meaning you want out of something if you parse it far enough. No wonder people have so little use for lawyers. Your respect for others is sadly lacking!! He doesn't know that TW is a lawyer. Therefore it was not a jab, or form of disrespect at all. You are just wrongly and unfairly judging him, it would seem.
M. T. Cross Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I used to see those dating ads. Oddly enough since my oldest son moved out I don't see them anymore. It took about a week for them to go away, but now all I get is Jimi Hendrix and life insurance ads.
cricket Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Meanwhile, the public school system in this country that bans messages like this hand out all types of birth control, including the morning after pill in some places. If that isn't sending a message to teens to go ahead and have sex I don't know what does. I see the behavior of the school system itself as much more dangerous than a supposedly, and I do mean supposedly, suggestive t-shirt worn by a kid, as it's the authority figures themselves encouraging the risky behavior. I wonder if THIS school hands out "all types of birth control, including the morning after pill". Perhaps this school in question does not do that--and if they don't do that AND they ban suggestive t-shirts, are they necessarily in the wrong? Are they the ones who are encouraging risky behavior?
cricket Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I think you may have a point there Joeb. If schools had handed out those things when I was in high school, we would have seen it as a giant green light. Instead, we had to generate our own green lights, which we did fairly well, I guess. In Sex Ed. class, they just told us not to do it. But very few listened, of course. It wasn't that long ago either. Seems like it was yesterday! Interesting that you say "very few listened, of course." I have to wonder what type of people you associated with. In my day, my public-school peers were the ones who abstained. Over the years, I've been able to get to know people who attended the same high school I did and found that there were cliques of students who abstained from sexual intimacy and illegal drugs/alcohol; and there were cliques of students that were sexually promiscuous and sometimes also took illegal substances and broke other laws as they saw fit. Those were the students I never associated with in high school.
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