Seven Trumpets

[ClubV12]

In the year 1840 another remarkable fulfillment of prophecy excited widespread interest. Two years before, Josiah Litch, one of the leading ministers preaching the second advent, published an exposition of Revelation 9, predicting the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

According to his calculations, this power was to be overthrown "in A.D. 1840, sometime in the month of August;" and only a few days previous to its accomplishment he wrote: "Allowing the first period, 150 years, to have been exactly fulfilled before Deacozes ascended the throne by permission of the Turks, and that the 391 years, fifteen days, commenced at the close of the first period, it will end on the 11th of August, 1840, when the Ottoman power in Constantinople may be expected to be broken. And this, I believe, will be found to be the case."--Josiah Litch, 1840

And indeed, this was found to be the case!

[JoeMo]

Well, V12, I can tell from the veracity of your responses that any new ideas on this thread are unwelcome; therefore I will refrain from posting them here. That being said, I don't overly appreciate the tone of your response or the attack on what you perceive to be my beliefs.

I never would deny EGW's gift of prophecy. What I will deny is claiming she is infallible; and that her writings carry the same authority as scripture.

Concerning my agreement with Gibs, those occasions are few and far between. One thing I do know about him is that he knows what he believes and he knows why; whether or not we agree with him. I respect him for his faithful stand. I will be signing out of this thread now; I wanted to share ideas, not start an argument with anyone.

[ClubV12]

Ellen White noted that many would not openly DENY her gift, they would simply make it no effect. This is what Gibs does and JoeMo and many others. NO prophet was infallible when stating their own opinion, not even Paul. But when speaking on subjects or recording direct inspiration, they are in fact infallible.

Paul offered his OPINION, and noted it as such, his opinion. Ellen White also had opinions, about what color dress would like nice on her sister. Or what to have for breakfast. As it concerns her counsel in the Testimonies, those aren't opinions, they are inspiration. As it concerns her statements on prophecy, those aren't opinions either.

"The Lord designed that the messages of warning and instruction given through the Spirit to His people should go everywhere. But the influence that grew out of the resistance of light and truth at Minneapolis tended to make of no effect the light God had given to His people through the testimonies."

The Australian Years pg. 66

This thread fulfills her prophecy that the last great deception to fall on the Church would NOT be to deny her gift, it would be to make it of no effect.

"The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Prov. 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God’s remnant people in the true testimony.-- Letter 12, 1890. 1SM pg 48.3

[Gibs]

Well with the sixth trumpet, we will experience a 200 million man army, almost two thirds of Americas population.

Only China can come up with that size an army and may be close now and I think they would like to think, America has been purchased by them, they sure own a lot of our infrastructure now.

For many yrs. they broadcast on Short Wave Radio Beijing, China is rising, America is falling.

Also note this,

Re 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Re 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

A third part of men will be slayed and so we know this trumpet has not occurred yet.

Also it is the Golden altar of incense before the throne and in the outer court here on earth the copy is was a bronze altar.

Re 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

This signifies more than I am ready to bring out at present, it is however a very good signal we are at the very end. He is not in the outer court for sure when dipping into this Golden altar of incense before the throne.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Here again, Gibs, you deny and make of no affect the prophets inspired message concerning the trumpets.

Fulfilling her prophecy of making of no affect her testimony, while not exactly denying her gift thereof!

I would recommend you get off the fence Gibs, get hot, get cold, do something. Either Ellen White is a prophet or a liar, no room for inbetween.

[Gibs]

Problem is ClubV12 you cannot seem to heed this one she makes on the trumpets,

Notice the words "will stand" and then "to direct" and then "Solemn events before us are yet to transpire."

And then! "Trumpet after trumpet is to be sounded!"

"The power of the Holy Ghost must be upon us, and the Captain of the Lord's host will stand at the head of the angels of heaven to direct the battle. Solemn events before us are yet to transpire. Trumpet after trumpet is to be sounded, vial after vial poured out one after another upon the inhabitants of the earth. {1888 762.1}

I don't fault her for seeing increasing light and it is clear in 1888 she saw the trumpets were yet to transpire and then the vials of wrath.

I believe there is some indication of as to about the time of the start of them. It may be the time the 144,000 are sealed and commence. I do believe that most are sealed now.

I have not made an in depth study of this as I can not see a lot of point in it, but if His Spirit moves me I will.

Anyway ClubV12 you have helped me to air my view.

There is some that believe that it is possible that the trumpets began 1995 but I don't buy into that either.

Also this is what makes a forum work, contending viewpoints.

His Blessings to all who are looking for His Truth!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

What you have done with the quote Gibs is make Ellen White contradict herself. People find texts in the bible they treat the same way.

But the bible, and the prophet NEVER contradict themself, NEVER. The problem is not with the word, or the Spirit of Prophecy, the problem is with the person not being able to see the same thread of truth that runs through all APPARENT contradictions.

Just because you don't understand HOW something could be, doesn't mean it's not truth!

[Gibs]

She merely gave you the increasing light she had come to see Club, her statement is not one that can be misconstrued.

It is Club that won't comprehend the quote!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

There is a sound biblical interpretation principle involved here Gibs, the bible and the prophets NEVER contradict each other. It only appears that way to some who cannot believe.

[Gibs]

Then, Bro. ClubV12, why cannot you believe her here of a statement of 1888,

"The power of the Holy Ghost must be upon us, and the Captain of the Lord's host will stand at the head of the angels of heaven to direct the battle. Solemn events before us are yet to transpire. Trumpet after trumpet is to be sounded, vial after vial poured out one after another upon the inhabitants of the earth. {1888 762.1}

It is clearly and plainly laid out the trumpets are yet to come!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[ClubV12]

Ha Ha,,, in your wild imagination only Gibs!

[Gibs]

Now, dear Bro., no imagination or interpretation you know very well is needed for that quote!

Some are ever learning we are told and never come to a knowledge of the truth, but not so with EGW, she continued to grow in increasing light and understandings.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.