8thdaypriest Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 The court sitting in Daniel 7 is in favor of the captives under foreign control/exile. Notice the court sits, the captives shake off Antiochus IV the and then the Messianic figure ascends to Heaven taking dominion. Hebrews 2:8 "You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him." What does the text say in context? It is responding to a quote from Psalms 8:(4-6). This psalm is about the glory and status of man over all creation. We are not enjoying this glory, and this part of Hebrews 2 explains why Jesus came as a man. Jesus came as a man to claim this honor and glory of Psalm 8 for us. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. You need to read the quotations and the context of why the writer of Hebrews used it in the first place. Looking for proof texts for paradigms make s the text loose its meaning. Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Brotherly Love, YOU need to stop saying, "You need to". It is irritating!! It's bossy! Thanks. Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." (NKJ) The word translated as "given", is in the aorist tense. 5681 Tense - Aorist (See 5777) Voice - Passive (See 5786) Mood - Indicative (See 5791) There is no such tense in the English language, which is why the translators chose to translate "given" as "has been given" rather than "is in process of being given". The aorist tense implies a process has begun which will end up with the stated condition. The use of the Aorist tense essentially says the same as "we do not yet see" all things in subjection to Him. It is in process. The Aorist tense indicates a process. Thru the NT, the Aorist tense is used in every verse where the followers of Christ are said to be "saved" - UNTIL the 144,000 "saved" of Israel. In them the process is complete. UNTIL then it is in process. We are being saved, and will end up - saved. Our salvation sure. We just have not fully realized it YET. Quote 8thdaypriest
brotherly love Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 Brotherly Love, YOU need to stop saying, "You need to". It is irritating!! It's bossy! Thanks. Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." (NKJ) The word translated as "given", is in the aorist tense. 5681 Tense - Aorist (See 5777) Voice - Passive (See 5786) Mood - Indicative (See 5791) There is no such tense in the English language, which is why the translators chose to translate "given" as "has been given" rather than "is in process of being given". The aorist tense implies a process has begun which will end up with the stated condition. The use of the Aorist tense essentially says the same as "we do not yet see" all things in subjection to Him. It is in process. The Aorist tense indicates a process. Thru the NT, the Aorist tense is used in every verse where the followers of Christ are said to be "saved" - UNTIL the 144,000 "saved" of Israel. In them the process is complete. UNTIL then it is in process. We are being saved, and will end up - saved. Our salvation sure. We just have not fully realized it YET. If i went to a theological school and was offended that a professor or scholar said "you need to know" how an old testament passage is used when the New Testament quotes it in order to understand the message-it would be kinda silly. You "need to know" Psalms 8 in order to understand the message of part of Hebrews 2. This is an interpretive fact. As for Matthew 28:18. The word is didomi G1325 and is a verb. context gives the verb its meaning. You have cherry picked the meaning without context. This is letting a paradigm interpret the bible, instead of letting the bible dictate your paradigm Lets look at the context 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” -In your own understanding, Jesus told the doubters and those who worshipped Him to baptize people to Himself, told them to obey everything He commanded them, and told them He would be with them forever by claiming that he was "kinda" the authority of heaven and earth? This is not the context. Meanings are given in context, not in isolation No reputable interpretor would Quote
8thdaypriest Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 Goodbye brotherly love. I'm dropping out of this thread. Quote 8thdaypriest
LifeHiscost Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 There are 2 points that come quickly to my mind when I read your posts. Firstly: you base your paradigm on an 8th day, or an 8th milllenium. This is on shaky ground and is highly subjective. Secondly: In all sincerity, you have made the same mistake as pretrib adherents-you base your paradigm on the difficult verses and not the clear. This is not a solid foundation. The clear need to interpret the unclear. This is why you will deny the clear verses that we are in the Messianic kingdom, and use the unclear or metaphoric verses. I hope you can take a step back and recognize this? You can take some of the pressure off by just clicking ignore, and then the only time you see their response is when someone else puts them into quote, which ignore doesn't carryover to another's post. God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!!
brotherly love Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 It is natural to defend our paradigms, and we can discuss them rationally. Quote
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