How and when does Satan personate Christ?

March 12, 2016

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1 hour ago, MCBGM said:

And "free" gifts, which is what Paul says eternal life is, are unconditional.

Not everyone who receives eternal life will receive the same reward.

I would modify this statement to say that all are freely offered eternal life. We don't have to accept the gift, though.

1 hour ago, MCBGM said:

How long is "everlasting"?

For now the way into life is limited, but it will be widened, to infinity.

You can hold a dead person in "everlasting contempt". I know people who continue to hate others long after the others are dead.

March 12, 2016

38 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

I would modify this statement to say that all are freely offered eternal life. We don't have to accept the gift, though.

Acceptance isn't always necessary. We have many gifts from God, such as talents, which we never chose and which we can do nothing to remove. The pot cannot say to the Potter, Why have you made me thus? God is free to make us, or make us over, however he pleases. We didn't choose to be given life in the first place, so neither need we be consulted to receive life in the second place. It's a total gift.

March 12, 2016

48 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

You can hold a dead person in "everlasting contempt".

There is some understanding, at least within Adventist circles, that in Hebrew such words don't actually mean everlasting, but are in reference to "indefinite" periods of time. Probably because there are many degrees or lengths of punishment and reward involved, unique to each individual.

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March 13, 2016

1 hour ago, Wrxdod16 said:

⁷Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living^[f]being.

Genesis 2:7
HEB: וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י
NAS: into his nostrils the breath of life;
KJV: into his nostrils the breath of life;
INT: and breathed his nostrils the breathA living became

The relevance to end times is the proof of soul sleep and by implication judgement and close of probation just prior to second coming. If soul sleep is false then it's much easier to disprove the Investigative judgement.

Can you please tell what do this have to with end of time. Just show me in the Bible, oh yeah it need to make sense because truthfully this does not at all!!!!!! All I can say is wow!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

7 hours ago, MCBGM said:

I don't think you know much about me. Or, even care to know.

I won't be responding to any more of this.

Being honest why does it have to be an SDA belief instead of a true Bible belief. Dirt or clay was sculptured by YAHSHUA, THE FATHER'S SON. HE then BREATHE into it with HIS ETERNAL BREATH which is life. The only difference is we had to eat from the Tree of Life to live forever. But because of sin it was taking from. That is so simple and Wrxdod16 does not even know that YAHSHUA is opening up these subjects so you can realize that Adventist have become believers of paganistic Greek theology for years. It is time for the wise to wake up! I gave him and all of you the answer and he wants to get you twisted on some simple facts.

There are THREE INDIVIDUAL BEINGS not this trinity mess;

THEIR NAMES are HOLY and a part of the Ten Commandments,

The word vain is wrong and we should not change THEIR SUBTITLE ELOHIM which is plural for ALL THREE of THEM;

The word one in Hebrew is "echad," that means THEY are UNITED and THEY work together;

THEY have BODIES which includes what we have because we are made in THEIR IMAGES;

We became living Beings and we will die and I guess all these other dead people are walking around right Wrxdod16 you can talk to me I will not bite!

Finally the earth will come to an end and that's in the Bible and I stand on the Word of ELOHIM!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

5 hours ago, MCBGM said:

The Hebrew word for breath (Neshima) occurs nowhere in Genesis 2:7.

But, the Hebrew word for Soul (Neshama) does, mistranslated as "breath" --the full translation being Living Soul and not breath of life.

(A related, Aramaic word for Soul --Nishmat-- occurs in Aramaic versions of the text.)

There is no word in the Paleo Hebrew to claim that the soul had to do with life. They both were dirt YAHSHUA BREATHE in them both the became living beings not soul. I hope you can get this. Please don't let me or anyone chase you a way stop and pray for me and whoever is upsetting you!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

51 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

Follow the discussion on Neshimah/Neshamah with MCBGM. If soul sleep is proven false then SDA eschetology is false. I'm shocked nobody here sees this or makes an attempt to respond.

I did and I was the one to bring it up very clearly the correct transliterated of the word.

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Also show that the transliterated word is a living being and not a soul. You have showing translation which has been changed. I gave the truthful transliterated word from Hebrew word.

If you would notice the correct word is not soul but living being. Also what you used is wrong and that is again the trick of the devil.

March 13, 2016

7 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

The reason for specifying a belief as SDA and not just Biblical is because all denominations believe they are biblical. To differentiate from all the other denominations it is necessary to specify SDA then prove an argument Biblical.

I do know many topics can be started for edification. I'd appreciate if you not tell me what I know and don't know. Just ask me.

I think the evidence is overwhelming many of the other Christian denominations take much more of their traditions from Greek pagan mythology.

I did not know you responded to anything I've written? To be honest, I don't read excessively long posts.

I'm sorry but The Bible is clear the Holy Spirit does not have a body but I believe there's another thread for that.

Lastly, there is no Biblical evidence the Earth will come an end but think now we've really digressed.

No what you want to do is for us to believe a lie. Many need to know the difference from transliterated word from word and translation a word that can be change for a word like you have for soul which has many contradiction meanings that make no sense. The Hebrew Paleo Script is out and understood today and anyone can grasp the truth now. So you cannot try to confuse anyone. People please go on Bible Hub. com and read and understand that the transliterate word are the word need to know. Also know about the Paleo word ELOHIM as well. We just need to take time and understand words. EGW wrote that she saw word been changed in the Bible and this person is confusing people with lies. The Bible clearly stated the dead know nothing and their thoughts perish.

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun. Ecc 9:5, 6

Satan want to confuse us with men changed the word for soul base on Greek theology it is not Biblical. So please search the Scriptures and know the truth about the history of the Bible. We can do it if we discuss it with the Bible to back it up. If you notice I use many versions and the Biblehub, it is a good source. Understand about the Dead Sea Scroll and Paleo Hebrew Script all this is important. You cannot just do surface reading these day truth and light has been open up to us if we realize that Satan want you burn for yourself because we don't study to understand!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

I also do not believe in SDA eschatology, because it is doctrine of men and it all comes from the Greek:

Eschatology (n.) 1834, from Latinized form of Greek eskhatos "last, furthest, uttermost, extreme, most remote" in time, space, degree, from PIE *eghs-ko-, suffixed form of *eghs "out" (see ex-) + -ology. In theology, the study of the four last things (death, judgment, heaven, hell). Related: Eschatological; eschatologically. Etymology Online Dictionary

This is the doctrine and traditions of men we have the truth even in the KJV. Put it all aside and study the history how Adventist started and if we learn just simple facts we will be on a correct road. I am not scare to stand and call sin by its right name!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

18 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

I don't know how your so confused about what ive said in support of soul sleep, Stinsonmarri?

Because it is not true the word is living being and not the made up change word soul as I show it. You didn't show all of Bible Hub and many do not understand that until we understand that trinity is a lie, soul is not "le·ne·fesh," the translated word is living being. Man was formed from dirt we became alive once THE BREATHE of LIFE was BREATH into our nostril. That is not complicated you are trying to make people so confuse. Many have stop writing, I will stand up to those things you are being truthful with. That is simple. I am not trying to be mean but let all know they need to learn the truth. Yes we must research but these things are so easy now, but you have to understand the tools!

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

33 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

Again, you're confused. I am not twisting anything. I've provided the same concordance evidence of the definition of Neshamah. Go back and reread the thread.

No you did not and you know it! The TRANSLITERATED WORD is THE HEBREW WORD CHANGE INTO THE ENGLISH WORD. IT DOES NOT MEAN SOUL that WORD IS LIVING BEING. The King James Scribe change with translation to the soul. I also gave the confusing contradiction of the word soul, so let's try it again shall we:

I cannot truly believe how far off we have become in just simple thinking. Here is the problem we have made the Bible to believe in paganistic beliefs and concepts. We do not just simply read the Bible and yes the English language has mess it up with their contradictions and shades of meaning. Now here are the Hebrew words suppose to be "nefesh, neshama and ruach as all words meant to soul!” Are you kidding me we are so caught up in Greek paganism it is a shame. Now all the words are to mean the same thing, wow! Now if you check out Biblehub.com, it gets even worst. That is why even Adventist can not understand the different from THE HOLY SPIRIT versus the ghost! Satan have captivated the world and his crazy belief system. The first thing he wants you to believe in the trinity which again makes no sense! So all of you go around believing in a god head, where are the bodies?

Now ELOHIM knew that Satan would attempt to corrupt the Bible but he still couldn't so let me show you. The first thing he wanted to do was get the word soul from the English language to refer to all of these words. Here in the actual root word for soul :

Soul (n.1) "A substantial entity believed to be that in each person which lives, feels, thinks and wills" [Century Dictionary], Old English sawol "spiritual and emotional part of a person, animate existence; life, living being," from Proto-Germanic *saiwalo (cognates: Old Saxon seola, Old Norse sala, Old Frisian sele, Middle Dutch siele, Dutch ziel, Old High German seula, German Seele, Gothic saiwala), of uncertain origin.

Sometimes said to mean originally "coming from or belonging to the sea," because that was supposed to be the stopping place of the soul before birth or after death [Barnhart]; if so, it would be from Proto-Germanic *saiwaz (see sea). Klein explains this as "from the lake," as a dwelling-place of souls in ancient northern Europe.

Meaning "spirit of a deceased person" is attested in Old English from 971. As a synonym for "person, individual, human being" (as in every living soul) it dates from early 14c. Soul-searching (n.) is attested from 1871, from the phrase used as a past participle adjective (1610's).Distinguishing soul from spirit is a matter best left to theologians.

The last thing that was stated to leave it to theologian what a joke. This is what the Bible says:

There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. Her priests have violated MY Law, and have profaned MINE Holy THINGS: they have put no difference between THE HOLY and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith ~~the Lord GOD~~ (YAHWEH), when the ~~LORD~~ (YAHWEH) hath not spoken. Eze 22:25-28

This is exactly from YAHWEH The Scriptures that I stand on and believe in and not paganistic Greek religion.

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

48 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

Again, you're confused. I am not twisting anything. I've provided the same concordance evidence of the definition of Neshamah. Go back and reread the thread.

You have not read my responses from the beginning. Listen carefully to me, words have been changed in the Bible. There is a difference from transliterated and translation. You seem to ignore that and try to go around the facts with the English word soul it is not le·ne·fesh Most Adventist have a problem with this because they are so confuse about the word trinity. They truly do not get that THE HOLY SPIRIT is BEING, THEY ALL are. THEY are THREE SUPREME BEINGS and we were made in THEIR IMAGE. We were taught to believe in the word soul that it take dirt plus BREATH of ELOHIM to make a living soul that was wrong. Satan wants us to believe about death that even Adventist are confuse because they don't get Gen 1:26 means actually what it said. The word of ELOHIM is also not correct THE HOLY SPIRIT is also ONE of THE ELOHIM. HE has a BODY, HE HANDS HE SPEAK and HE does animated things like us. That is where we get THE LIKENESS that THEY have. Because we were made like THEM and not the ridiculous other way around. Once Adventist can get this all of the other nonsense will be wiped away. Those YAHWEH have chosen will understand and then the Gospel will be finish by the 144,000. I will keep repeating it because I believe the wise will receive it soon.

Blessings!

March 13, 2016

The discussion started about the false impersonation of Satan to be YAHSHUA there is no Bible base for it. EGW and others believed this but she always stated to take the Bible. TM p. 105-117 All these lies are twisted from Gen Chapter 1-3 if these chapters could be understood a chain reaction will start so I am reaching out to those who not afraid to ask question but really want to know and understand the truth. We have to unlearn and relearn what we miss and how Greece religion through Catholicy have taken over even our church. But this Trump movement is going to start waking things up especially those who have racial problem in our church. YAHWEH no respect of any person us the human beings. That is what person means also so all these things must be understood. You did not give all the facts I do. Most are afraid when they can't figure it out yet but YAHSHUA will help those whom THEY have called.

Be bless and ask whatever you like but you have come straight with me!

March 13, 2016

What I can say for certain is that in no instance whatever is Neshama/Soul ever the correct word for breath. The translators have got it wrong. This isn't surprising in our modern era of godless materialism, even in the religious arenas. In the Jewish community too, within the last 200 years or so, with the rise of Jewish humanism (religious atheism). Sadly the overwhelming majority of Jews today, including religious Jews, are atheist or agnostic, though one can hardly blame the Jews for this.

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March 14, 2016

13 hours ago, Wrxdod16 said:

Again, there is no Scriptural support for the Holy Spirit having a body. "Likeness" is not always a physical trate but could also mean attributes such as character.

The most obvious problem with the Holy Spirit having a body is isomnipresence and also the ability of the Holy Spirit to dwell inside a person. How can a God with a physical body dwell within a person with a body?

The Scriptures does show that THEY all have bodies, but you like most do not get it. What make you think you know more then THE THREE of THEM?

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith YAHWEH. For as the Heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:8; 9

You do not pray for understanding, you accept everything even if it does not make sense. The Bible from the beginning told you that THE HOLY SPIRIT was ELOHIM too. But the KJV scribes were taught to believe that THE HOLY SPIRIT was a ghost form that you not actually see it. So when they should have transliterate, they translated it base on their superstitious belief. This was taught by the Catholic Church who took it from the Greeks. Paganism had took over the world but YAHWEH always have a way for man to understand the truth but you have to seek for it. In the very beginning the Paleo-Hebrew Script did not use an conjunction they just put it in. But as I have consistently tried to tell you the word spirit and soul are junk up together with many meanings alike plus these word has contradictory as well that is so confusing and makes no sense:

spirit (n.) mid-13c., "animating or vital principle in man and animals," from Anglo-French spirit, Old French espirit "spirit, soul" (12c., Modern French esprit) and directly from Latin spiritus "a breathing (respiration, and of the wind), breath; breath of a god," hence "inspiration; breath of life," hence "life;" also "disposition, character; high spirit, vigor, courage; pride, arrogance," related to spirare "to breathe," perhaps from PIE *(s)peis- "to blow" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic pisto "to play on the flute"). But de Vaan says "Possibly an onomatopoeic formation imitating the sound of breathing. There are no direct cognates."

Meaning "supernatural immaterial creature; angel, demon; an apparition, invisible corporeal being of an airy nature" is attested from mid-14c.; from late 14c. as "a ghost" (see ghost (n.)). From c. 1500 as "a nature, character"; sense of "essential principle of something" (in a non-theological context, as in Spirit of St. Louis) is attested from 1680s, common after 1800; Spirit of '76 in reference to the qualities that sparked and sustained the American Revolution is attested by 1797 in William Cobbett's "Porcupine's Gazette and Daily Advertiser."

From late 14c. in alchemy as "volatile substance; distillate;" from c. 1500 as "substance capable of uniting the fixed and the volatile elements of the philosopher's stone." Hence spirits "volatile substance;" sense narrowed to "strong alcoholic liquor" by 1670s. This also is the sense in spirit level (1768). Also from mid-14c. as "character, disposition; way of thinking and feeling, state of mind; source of a human desire;" in Middle English freedom of spirit meant "freedom of choice." From late 14c. as "divine substance, divine mind, God;" also "Christ" or His divine nature; "the Holy Ghost; divine power;" also, "extension of divine power to man; inspiration, a charismatic state; charismatic power, especially of prophecy." Also "essential nature, essential quality." From 1580s in metaphoric sense "animation, vitality."

According to Barnhart and OED, originally in English mainly from passages in Vulgate, where the Latin word translates Greek pneuma and Hebrew ruah. Distinction between "soul" and "spirit" (as "seat of emotions") became current in Christian terminology (such as Greek psykhe vs. pneuma, Latin anima vs. spiritus) but "is without significance for earlier periods" [Buck]. Latin spiritus, usually in classical Latin "breath," replaces animus in the sense "spirit" in the imperial period and appears in Christian writings as the usual equivalent of Greek pneuma. Spirit-rapping is from 1852.

ghost (n.) Old English gast "breath; good or bad spirit, angel, demon; person, man, human being," in Biblical use "soul, spirit, life," from Proto-Germanic *gaistaz (cognates: Old Saxon gest, Old Frisian jest, Middle Dutch gheest, Dutch geest, German Geist "spirit, ghost"). This is conjectured to be from a PIE root *gheis-, used in forming words involving the notions of excitement, amazement, or fear (cognates: Sanskrit hedah "wrath;" Avestan zaesha- "horrible, frightful;" Gothic usgaisjan, Old English gæstan "to frighten").

Ghost is the English representative of the usual West Germanic word for "supernatural being." In Christian writing in Old English it is used to render Latin spiritus (see spirit (n.)), a sense preserved in Holy Ghost. Sense of "disembodied spirit of a dead person," especially imagined as wandering among the living or haunting them, is attested from late 14c. and returns the word toward its likely prehistoric sense.

Most Indo-European words for "soul, spirit" also double with reference to supernatural spirits. Many have a base sense of "appearance" (such as Greek phantasma; French spectre; Polish widmo, from Old Church Slavonic videti "to see;" Old English scin, Old High German giskin, originally "appearance, apparition," related to Old English scinan, Old High German skinan "to shine"). Other concepts are in French revenant, literally "returning" (from the other world), Old Norse aptr-ganga, literally "back-comer." Breton bugelnoz is literally "night-child." Latin manes probably is a euphemism.

The gh- spelling appeared early 15c. in Caxton, influenced by Flemish and Middle Dutch gheest, but was rare in English before mid-16c. Sense of "slight suggestion, mere shadow or semblance" (in ghost image, ghost of a chance, etc.) is first recorded 1610s; sense of "one who secretly does work for another" is from 1884. Ghost town is from 1908. Ghost story is by 1811. Ghost-word "apparent word or false form in a manuscript due to a blunder" is from 1886 (Skeat). Ghost in the machine was British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's term (1949) for "the mind viewed as separate from the body." The American Indian ghost dance is from 1890. To give up the ghost "die" was in Old English. Etymology Dictionary Online

I cannot tell you we have been so deceived and we just truly never question it or tried to understand that this was a bunch of nonsense. Like I said it started in Gen 1:1, 2

In the beginning ~~God~~ (ELOHIM) created the Heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit ~~of God~~ (ELOHIM) moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:1, 2

Howbeit when he, THE SPIRIT of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, Provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. Ex 23:20-22

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43

~~Jesus~~ (YAHSHUA) answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. John 10:25

I provided you these Scriptures because you really do not get it. THE HOLY SPIRITS does not speak about HIMSELF, but the Scriptures give you enough of who HE IS. THE SON does the work of HIS FATHER and HE have always come in HIS NAME and told Israel that HE as HIS FATHER'S MESSENGER would guide them. BOTH THE HOLY SPIRIT and YAHSHUA ARE THE COMFORTER'S! Now if you get this you will understand THE FATHER or THE SON but through THE HOLY SPIRIT. You have YAHSHUA say if curse out both THE FATHER and THE SON but not THE HOLY SPIRIT. If HE leaves you are done. THE HOLY SPIRIT is UNIQUE when THE SON SPEAK HE THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVED or HOOVER and brought everything into existence with HIS OWN POWER. HE impregnated Mary with THE SON who became flesh. HE becomes TONGUES of FIRE, A DOVE, HE DIVIDES HIMSELF because HE is OMNIPRESENCE, LIKE THE FATHER, THE SON gave that up to become flesh for us! HE is THE LIGHT around the Throne of ELOHIM, HE IS capable of so many POWERS but you do not have even the idea of HIS POWER. But if you pray to THE FATHER, HE comes and show you just a glimpse of HIS POWER. HE cleanse us up so YAHSHUA can come into our minds. Our mind is carnal and must be clean so that THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of YAHSHUA HIS HOLY GLORY or PRESENCE can come in. You truly cannot understand all that THEY DO but THEY RESPECT EACH OTHER and WORK TOGETHER. THEY SHOWED THEMSELVES through marriage. The man and woman are partners and work together and through knowing each other, they produce a third human being or person. THEY gave this to us to know how GREAT THEY ARE!

THEY allowed Satan to think he could change who THEY ARE. He told Adam and the woman a lie, that they would not surely die. He also told them that ELOHIM was keeping something from them. If they ate of the fruit of this tree they would be like ELOHIM. The sad thing they were like THEM, we were made in THEIR IMAGE but Satan was not. Satan was a spiritual being but he had four sided face, three like animals on each side and one like man. He actually have a breastplate engrave with all types of stones. He was the light bearer so THE GLORY of THE FATHER which is HIS POWER was kept by Lucifer.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of ~~God~~ (ELOHIM); every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed Cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon The Holy Mountain of ~~God~~ (ELOHIM); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of FIRE. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the Mountain of ~~God~~ (ELOHIM);: and I will destroy thee, O covering Cherub, from the midst of the stones of FIRE. Eze 28:13-16

This angel is the only evil one allow in the Garden of Eden. He had to confuse a certain word making us to think that he and his angels were kicked down here to this earth. That is a lie, he sin before this earth was not even made when these spiritual beings fail.

And there was war in Heaven: Michael(YAHSHUA) and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in Heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the ~~earth~~ (a place in the Universe that has soil or land mass like the moon.), and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:7-9

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

Greek translated word gé: Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene. Strong Exhausted Dictionary

Angels in Heaven mourned the fate of those who had been their companions in happiness and bliss. Their loss was felt in Heaven. The Father consulted ~~Jesus~~ (YAHSHUA then known as MICHAEL) in regard to at once carrying out THEIR Purpose to make man to inhabit the earth. He would place man upon probation to test his loyalty, before he could be rendered eternally secure. If he endured the test wherewith ~~God~~ (ELOHIM) saw fit to prove him, he should eventually be equal with the angels. He was to have the favor of ~~God~~ (ELOHIM), and he was to converse with angels, and they with him. He did not see fit to place them beyond the power of disobedience. The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 1 p. 23

Now here we go with things that make NO sense, why would ELOHIM cast evil angels down to a perfect world???? If you notice throughout the Bible only Satan is able to move around. Only once do you read about legions of evil angels. YAHSHUA cast them out, they pleaded to be allow to harass the swines, YAHSHUA allow the evil angels to attack the swines and killed themselves. Now you tell me why do you think they were allowed to kill the herd of swine? They knew they had to return back to prison. Only those who are allow here for each person can stay, if that person dies they have to leave. But soon Satan himself will be bound to where the mass of angels are located somewhere in outer space that is dark! Now most do not read and study EGW books she wrote if we did many would understand her and her writings better! Now read on this and get back with me or anyone else who want to read truth from the Scriptures and from EGW who will back up what was given to her. She did not know a lot, she said the wise would once we understand Daniel and Revelation TM p. 105-117

Blessings!

March 14, 2016

38 minutes ago, Wrxdod16 said:

You make a lot of assumptions on what I know and don't know. It seems your understanding of the Holy Spirit is the one rooted in pagan mythology.

You gave some very confusing etymology but still no Biblical support of an embodied Holy Spirit. Shortening your posts down might take out some of the confusion and will simplify things.

No your is I gave evidence to you refuse to believe. I gave you root word how they originated from Latin and Greece. Yes it is confusing because it makes no sense. The post is long so you or anyone can say I did not provide the fact. The etymology is where we get all the word like spirit, ghost soul thrown together for confusion. I showed exactly that you cannot understand THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. I showed that Satan started sin before man was made and EGW presents that. I showed you that you cannot ignore HIM because if HE leaves you, you cannot approach THE FATHER or THE SON that how THEY WORK each have THEIR connection TO EACH OTHER. I have taken the time to give you how these words are used because you do not believe that man could die. I showed you that all these lies have been planted by Satan in the Garden. I showed that he is a spiritual but he is NOT MADE LIKE THE IMAGE OF ELOHIM we are. Lucifer is jealous and wants to confuse us by making us to believe that ghost, soul, death, life and breath are entwine together and these word are not. THAT IS PAGANISM YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND the simple Scripture "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE!" It appears that no one seem to get what the word IMAGE MEANS! It means resemblance. Can we understand that! Did you see the word us do you know what that means so who are the US?

Blessings!

March 15, 2016

I'm NOT SDA, and I am thoroughly convinced that the dead "sleep" until the resurrection at the Second Coming.

But AGAIN, please go start another thread, to discuss this issue. PLEASE!

March 16, 2016

On 3/15/2016 at 8:36 PM, Wrxdod16 said:

It might be more convenient to start a new thread on the impersonation instead of trying to bring this one back.

You are new to this forum. Behaviors such as sidetracking every thread, will soon enough be "reported". Please have respect for the discussions of others. Thanks.

March 17, 2016

On 3/14/2016 at 11:15 PM, Wrxdod16 said:

Where did I say man cannot die? It's getting a little amusing watching you make false assumptions about my beliefs and arguing against what I don't believe. You've obviously misinterpreted my posts.

Your telling me I refuse to believe some things I actually do believe. Much of what you've written against should've been directed towards MCBGM but I'm not so sure he's as ignorant as you might think he is.

Let me refresh your mind why I dealing with this subject with you. This is what you quoted:

I'm assuming you think it's never too late for the soul correct? Without the body there is no soul though.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Just a quick observation. Why would the translaters deliberately misinterpret the text to support the minority? The facts don't add up to a conspiracy. A more logical way to think is, yours is the conspiracy to save the theology of the majority by mistranslating neshamah.

Can you provide evidence of the etymology of nashimah?

I don't think we need to use "butt backward". I'd like to have a little respect and don't think we need to speak in those terms.

I did do a Google search and nashima did not come up but in fact Google adjusts it to neshama.

MCBGM, are you Christian?

Didn't see anyone address my question. Is salvation and eternal life the same exact things? The relevance is if eternal life itself is a reward In a way I think we can have a very good idea of the nature of God. Man's sin was out of control. Man is responsible for his sins. God destroyed man

Would God have sent the flood if man could've or even would've repented? I don't believe he would've. It makes no sense to send a flood if man's soul has an eternal chance. We should also know only God has immortality. It's hard to argue for the immortality of even the soul(in the pagan understanding) if only God has immortality.

We also see the close of probation through the conversation between Abraham and God. Abraham attempted to negotiate the salvation of Sodom but was unsuccessful because Sodom had already closed their own probation. It is man who causes probation to close through disobedience.

So, if eternal life is a guaranteed gift through faith then we know for sure the alternative is not having eternal life.

Not having eternal life does not then mean having eternal life in hell. Their is no distinction of living eternal life in hell. Unless hell is properly translated to existing eternaly in the ground. But not living eternally in the ground.

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receivesthe prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I[l]discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

And although they do go hand in hand I do not believe Salvation and eternal life to be exactly the same things. Salvation is to be saved from sin and it's results(second death). Salvation is to remove from the negative. Eternal life, although promised at repentance, is not received until the second coming.

The reason why I present salvation and eternal life this way is in response to those who think salvation cannot be lost but a sort of points system exists for good or bad Christians. There is no such thing as a bad Christian with little points. Either a Christian obeys or they don't. The reward that is lost is eternal life.

--10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for [d]his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

MCBGM: Of course not. You didn't spell it right.

Neshima (breath) and Neshama (Soul) are two, different words, though (English translation) concordances fail to note this distinction.

The reference to Daniel does not show varying degrees of brightness. To draw a varying degree is an eisegesis. In fact in the verses prior Daniel writes some will awake to everlasting disgrace and contempt. 2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

The comparison in that verse is between mortal and immortal bodies and not varying degrees of immortality.

MCBGM: When reading the Hebrew text itself one discovers that the Hebrew word Neshima (breath) occurs many times in the Bible, but the word Neshama (Soul) occurs only a few times. Yet, when one looks in English translation concordances of the Bible, Neshima is not mentioned at all, and all of the texts where Neshima occurs are cited as Neshama instead. Why?

Another text taken wildly out of context. Here Paul is giving no mention of varying degrees of rewards in the afterlife.

What is burnt up and what is lossed? We will not be held accountable for others when they are tested through difficult times. It is others who failed to hold faith during difficult time who are burnt up.

I still think it interesting you take the position of a conspiracy of the translation of soul when almost exclusively the Christian Church takes the same stance on immortality the soul.

I don't see scripture showing the way widens after the second coming. Everlasting disgrace and contempt occur after the second coming. The way to salvation doesn't widen but ceases at the second coming.

March 17, 2016

On 3/14/2016 at 11:15 PM, Wrxdod16 said:

Where did I say man cannot die? It's getting a little amusing watching you make false assumptions about my beliefs and arguing against what I don't believe. You've obviously misinterpreted my posts.

Your telling me I refuse to believe some things I actually do believe. Much of what you've written against should've been directed towards MCBGM but I'm not so sure he's as ignorant as you might think he is.

Let me refresh your mind why I dealing with this subject with you. This is what you quoted:

I'm assuming you think it's never too late for the soul correct? Without the body there is no soul though.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Just a quick observation. Why would the translaters deliberately misinterpret the text to support the minority? The facts don't add up to a conspiracy. A more logical way to think is, yours is the conspiracy to save the theology of the majority by mistranslating neshamah.

Can you provide evidence of the etymology of nashimah?

I don't think we need to use "butt backward". I'd like to have a little respect and don't think we need to speak in those terms. I did do a Google search and nashima did not come up but in fact Google adjusts it to neshama.

MCBGM, are you Christian?

Didn't see anyone address my question. Is salvation and eternal life the same exact things? The relevance is if eternal life itself is a reward In a way I think we can have a very good idea of the nature of God. Man's sin was out of control. Man is responsible for his sins. God destroyed man

Would God have sent the flood if man could've or even would've repented? I don't believe he would've. It makes no sense to send a flood if man's soul has an eternal chance. We should also know only God has immortality. It's hard to argue for the immortality of even the soul(in the pagan understanding) if only God has immortality.

We also see the close of probation through the conversation between Abraham and God. Abraham attempted to negotiate the salvation of Sodom but was unsuccessful because Sodom had already closed their own probation. It is man who causes probation to close through disobedience.

So, if eternal life is a guaranteed gift through faith then we know for sure the alternative is not having eternal life.

Not having eternal life does not then mean having eternal life in hell. Their is no distinction of living eternal life in hell. Unless hell is properly translated to existing eternaly in the ground. But not living eternally in the ground.

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receivesthe prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I[l]discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

And although they do go hand in hand I do not believe Salvation and eternal life to be exactly the same things. Salvation is to be saved from sin and it's results(second death). Salvation is to remove from the negative. Eternal life, although promised at repentance, is not received until the second coming. The reason why I present salvation and eternal life this way is in response to those who think salvation cannot be lost but a sort of points system exists for good or bad Christians. There is no such thing as a bad Christian with little points. Either a Christian obeys or they don't. The reward that is lost is eternal life.