Is There A Need To Reconsider the AoD?

[JoeMo]

In my thinking, it is possible that the Lamb that speaks like a dragon is radical Islam - the religion of "peace".  The two horns are  radical Sunni (e.g., ISIS, Al Qaeda); and radical Shia (Iran).  Two horns, same beast.  Both seek world domination and the destruction of Israel at the expense of whomever gets in their way - Christian, Jew, or moderate Muslim.

At their current growth rate, it is projected that within 10 years Islam will overtake Christianity as the world's dominant religion.

[Dave Watchman]

On 6/15/2016 at 5:56 AM, insx said:

I don't live in Judea or anywhere close. Can I sit tight?

 

THOSE WHO ARE IN Judea

 

The Hebraic du Tillet version of Matthew reads like this:

 

24:16 "then let them which be in Judah flee unto the mountains"

 

Think of "Judah" as in "Lion of the tribe of".

 

Those who are in Jesus:

 

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself,

unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless

you abide in me.

I am the vine;

you are the branches.

Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

 

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you,

that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,

I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me,

may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me

may be in them, and I in them.”

 

 "then let them which be in Judah flee unto the mountains"

 

In Judah?

 

The Lion of the tribe of Judah?,
 

them which be IN Judah flee unto the mountains

 

them which be IN Jesus:

 

-->may your flight not be in winter

or on the Sabbath.

 

[Dave Watchman]

23 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

In verse 36 and 37 of Daniel Cpt 11, we are told that the evil king will exalt and magnify himself above every god".   He will not show regard for "any god" but will "magnify himself above them all." 

Then later in verse 39, "he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory;" 

We know this evil king is the Little Horn because his forces "take away the daily and place there the abomination of desolation."  These actions are attributed to the LH in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8.

So WHICH "god" fits verse 39.  Which god will he "acknowledge and advance its glory" ?

I don't have the answer.  I'm just asking the question. 

I don't have the answer either. But this is the end time Antichrist we're talking about. He's getting close to the end of his career here. We've already learned that he will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women. He will show no respect for any of the traditional gods which the people of the world worship for he shall magnify himself above all.

"But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Based on the chronology I'd guess this will be the formation of something we've never seen before. Some sort of theocratic church state government with the ten nations. The "God of forces" has an odd sound to it and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

 

[8thdaypriest]

3 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I would add to this ..." when every living true believer is taken off of the planet (or otherwise placed under divine protection) just before the 7 bowls of God's wrath are poured out" ...

I am considering the possibility that the little horn and the first beast with with the deadly wound that was healed (See Rev. 13:3-12) are one and the same entity. If so, the AoD could very well be when the beast (antichrist) sits in the temple and declares himself to be God.

Well the "little horn" IS attached to "the Beast". 

I see "the Beast" as Satan's effort at world domination (and the destruction of Israel). 

The "heads" are successive.  When the 7th head receives it's "deadly wound" - that's the END of the heads - UNTIL the image is set up.  The image will BE "the 8th head". 

[8thdaypriest]

The "abomination' will cause "desolation" BECAUSE anyone who worships the imposter (Beast or his image) will be "tormented with fire and brimstone". 

They will be "cut off" from God.  They will suffer the 7 last plagues - which DESOLATE the earth. 

[Samie]

On 18/06/2016 at 9:00 AM, 8thdaypriest said:

 In verse 36 and 37 of Daniel Cpt 11, we are told that the evil king will exalt and magnify himself above every god".   He will not show regard for "any god" but will "magnify himself above them all." 

Then later in verse 39, "he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory;" 

We know this evil king is the Little Horn because his forces "take away the daily and place there the abomination of desolation."  These actions are attributed to the LH in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8.

So WHICH "god" fits verse 39.  Which god will he "acknowledge and advance its glory" ?

I think it is Satan, the "god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4). In fact, it is from him where the little horn or the beast derived its power, seat and authority (Rev 13:2). It would be but consequential if he acknowledges the dragon and advance its glory.

[Samie]

5 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I am considering the possibility that the little horn and the first beast with with the deadly wound that was healed (See Rev. 13:3-12) are one and the same entity.

I agree.

5 hours ago, JoeMo said:

If so, the AoD could very well be when the beast (antichrist) sits in the temple and declares himself to be God.

I believe the AoD is his image.

[Aliensanctuary]

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the Lamb that speaks like a dragon is radical Islam

A kingdom at first deceptively appearing benign, rips off its mask and rises up to reveal its murderous master, Satan, the Dragon King, who does indeed deceive the whole world, except for those marked by YHVH.

[8thdaypriest]

18 hours ago, Samie said:

I think it is Satan, the "god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4). In fact, it is from him where the little horn or the beast derived its power, seat and authority (Rev 13:2). It would be but consequential if he acknowledges the dragon and advance its glory.

You're saying the Little Horn will acknowledge Satan, and advance his glory.  Satan would be the "foreign god". 

That would suggest it is the Little Horn who will set up the "image" of the Beast.  I always thought it would be "the false prophet" who will set up (and give life to) "the image". 

The verse says the Little Horn will acknowledge and advance the glory of a "foreign god".   Foreign to whom?  What people group would see this "god" as a "foreign god".  Usually that term - "foreign god" was used for any god other than Yahweh.  This "foreign god" - foreign to Israel - could be Allah.  It could be the Pope. 

 

[Buzzards]

David asks a question

 

Psalms 94:20

Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee,
which frameth mischief by a law?

They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous,
and condemn the innocent blood.
But the LORD is my defence;
and my God is the rock of my refuge.

 

Dan.12:3

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Matt.13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John in Rev saw this Woman

Rev.12:1

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

 

 

 

 

[Samie]

15 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

That would suggest it is the Little Horn who will set up the "image" of the Beast.  I always thought it would be "the false prophet" who will set up (and give life to) "the image". 

The LH is the Beast. His image is the AoD. His false prophet will set it up.

[8thdaypriest]

3 hours ago, Samie said:

The LH is the Beast. His image is the AoD. His false prophet will set it up.

The LH is the 8th "head" of the Beast.  So yes.  The Little Horn IS (by extension) - the last manifestation of The Beast (his 8th "head"). 

I agree that the image (of the Beast) is the AoD. 

Which is WHY I think that "the Little Horn" may actually BE the "image of the Beast". 

He will sit in the Temple showing himself god. 

The False Prophet may be the (foreign god) who breathes life into the Little Horn, assisting him in his rise to power, encouraging everyone to serve him.

The Little Horn then demands worship, and imposes the mark, and executes those who refuse.  THIS fits the pattern of persecution seen in Daniel - BY the Little Horn.

 

[Samie]

In Daniel, the desolating acts against God's people will be executed by the LH (the Beast) in 3-1/2 or years or 42 months in Revelation.

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Daniel 7:25-26   25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.  26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Revelation 13:5-7   5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.  6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.  7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

What comes next after the LH's 42-month-war against the saints?

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Daniel 7:27   27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

This "giving" of the kingdom to the saints will occur when Christ comes again:

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KJV Matthew 25:  

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

 

[stinsonmarri]

Here is what I say to all of you either you believe the Bible or you don't. YAHSHUA clearly said when you see the AoD spoken by Daniel! When did Daniel speak this of course in chapter 12. Daniel first clearly state at that time MICHAEL (YAHSHUA) THE ONLY ARCHANGEL will stand for HIS people. It go on to say there will be a Time of Trouble like never before. It clearly speak of the righteous who will finish the work, that SDA if that read EGW first vision, clearly states as the Bible does these are 144,000 advents. Who will not run and hid as we have been taught, but will have power during this time. But we just don't continue to read and put it all together with the next verse.

 And I heard THE MAN clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when HE held up RIGHT HAND and HIS LEFT HAND unto Heaven, and sware by HIM that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Dan 12:7

Now SDA are suppose to know that THE MAN is YAHSHUA and HE LIFTS HIS HANDS to Heaven and sware or given an oath by HIS FATHER (YAHWEH) that the Time of Trouble will only last 3 1/2 years. But we don't notice the semicolon!!!!! Here is what a semicolon means good people:

The punctuation mark (;) used to indicate a major division in a sentence where a more distinct separation is felt between clauses or items on a list than is indicated by a comma, as between the two clauses of a compound sentence. Webster's College Dictionary 

and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people, ALL THESE THING SHALL BE FINISH!!!! This clause is not referring to YAHSHUA but the beast and here is the proof!

And I will give power unto MY two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. And when they shall have finished their Testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from ELOHIM entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a GREAT VOICE from Heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to Heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. Rev 11:3, 7, 11, 12

SDA knows that the two Witnesses is the Bible and it showing that the 144,000 are finishing the work. When they are finish the beast comes, he appears to destroy the Word of ELOHIM but the wicked rejoices for only three days when the Word or shall I say the Commandments, HIS Covenant will rise up. There is an earthquake and where Jeremiah hid the Ark of the Covenant will be reveal and it will shake up the wicked.

And from the time that the daily (means Covenant and not sacrifice this was put here) shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan 12:11, 12 

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:15 

Here is the understanding: If you subtract 1,260 from 1,335 you get 75 days. Revelation states clearly that the beast will only last for one hour which in prophetic time is 60 literal days. Take 60 from 75 is 15 and Adventist should know that the 15 days is the time help is on the way YAHSHUA returns. Many of you are correct that it is the destruction of Jerusalem but for last and final time, she is Babylon. She has "become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful birds." The Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Protestant churches, Islam, Judaic are all there and Rev 17:17-18 and all of Chapter 18 proves that this is what will happen to by ELOHIM'S WILL! The beast will make war with the papacy that he come to hate with the ten kings and will destroy the papacy and Jerusalem together in the Battle of Armageddon. While this is taken place YAHSHUA will come like a thief in the night. An angel will finish off Jerusalem, that the two horned beast (USA) will nuke. See she will turn her back on the so call fake Ashkenazim's who never claimed to be the original Hebrew people. The Catholic always wanted to rule Jerusalem and the whore will for a short period of time! But the city and the papacy will be destroyed first by humans and then an angel will cast it into the sea. People it must be destroyed because here comes the New Jerusalem out of Heaven with the saints after judging the wicked and returning with THE FATHER, YAHSHUA and THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!

Blessings and happy Sabbath!!!!

[Robert]

On 6/12/2016 at 5:44 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

Personally - I do not believe that God the Father separated Himself from His own Son.  I believe that Satan was ALLOWED to so cloud the mind of Christ that He felt separated - and THAT is what killed Him. 

I do NOT believe that Jesus died the "second death".  There is no resurrection from "the second death" - and Jesus was resurrected by His Father. 

 

Well, well, well....Jesus didn't come to save mankind from the 1st death.  That leaves the 2nd death.  

The first death is the result of living in sinful bodies in a sinful world. 

The 2nd death is the curse of the law, which is goodbye to life forever with no hope of a resurrection.

Did Jesus as the Son of Man die this death? Yes!

Let's review 2 Cor 5:14-17 NKJV:

 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 

Commentary:  Christ's death as the Son of Man was a corporate death.  When He died, all men died in Him.  How?  Because at the incarnation the Divinity of Christ was united to OUR corporate life in the womb of Mary.  This life became the Son of Man. It is the curse of the law  - God abandonment - that Christ came to deliver the fallen race from.

15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf. 16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh;

Commentary:  Christians are to view the fallen race, not how they are in the flesh, but as they are "in Christ Jesus" in the heavenly places.  

even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. 

Commentary:  Note the past tense - "we have known"!  Apparently at the resurrection Christ, as the Son of Man, was no more.  That life died forever, i.e., is to say, "our old life" from Adam died forever.  That's the 2nd death. In the place of our old Adamic life, God raised Christ up as a new, glorified man. This life, united with His Divinity, was taken to heaven where He represents us before the Father day and night. 

17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Commentary:  That is, if anyone realizes his new position, "in Christ" he has a "new creation" (see footnotes in the NASB). All things have become new.

[Dave Watchman]

1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said:

Here is what I say to all of you either you believe the Bible or you don't. YAHSHUA clearly said when you see the AoD spoken by Daniel! When did Daniel speak this of course in chapter 12.

Now SDA are suppose to know that THE MAN is YAHSHUA and HE LIFTS HIS HANDS to Heaven and sware or given an oath by HIS FATHER (YAHWEH) that the Time of Trouble will only last 3 1/2 years.

Here is the understanding: If you subtract 1,260 from 1,335 you get 75 days. Revelation states clearly that the beast will only last for one hour which in prophetic time is 60 literal days. Take 60 from 75 is 15 and Adventist should know that the 15 days is the time help is on the way YAHSHUA returns.

Hi stinsonmarri, Happy Sabbath.

I'm not an official SDA member but I agree with much of the doctrine.

I agree that Michael is Jesus.

I agree that the "he" in verse 7 is the beast who scatters the power of the holy people from Revelation 11.

 

I'm not sure about the "daily". It might be a service performed by our High Priest in Heaven's Temple that is taken away due to transgression and can be seen in the scene from Revelation 8 when the censer is cast down.

 

I agree that the secret can be found within the three prophetic time periods from Daniel 12.

 

Are you saying that the AofD is on day 1 of the 1290 or at the other end on the 1290th day?

 

I have found that there are two ways that people read this and I've been at either ends of this dilemma myself. Currently I'm reading it as both the taking away of the daily and the AofD are on the same day 1 of the 1290 with the 1290th day being another answer to the question from verse 6:  “How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?” And we get the answer: "time, times, and half a time" which is around 1260 days. Then He talks a bit about how it will be for the wicked and the wise at the time of the end and then we get:

 

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

Which is what I think is still another answer to the original question of how long will it be until the end along with the 1335 day span. So how long is the appointed time of the end? It's 1260, 1290 and 1335 days long, the two smaller lengths of time might be providing details that will take place within the larger 1335 day span. Jesus said that Immediately after the tribulation of those days that the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light. So if we can find what we think is the AofD, there might be a partial solar eclipse and then blood moon after the 1290th day.

 

I can't slide these numbers around like I think that they should be but it looks better than to put them end to end like some people do. That strange 1372 number on the bottom is the number of days that fall in between two sets of solar and lunar eclipses.

 

<----1260---->

<-----1290----->0.976744186046512

<------1335------>0.966292134831461

<-------1372------->0.973032069970845

 

[stinsonmarri]

Dave: Thanks very much, but give the understanding to THE HOLY SPIRIT! Let's talk about "the daily sacrifice," first. It is important to study the Scriptures the Bible said. When you study you must research:

To apply one's mind purposefully to the acquisition of knowledge or understanding, to investigate or examine, as by observation, research, etc, to read or look at carefully, to look at minutely; scrutinize, to give much careful or critical thought to, to try to memorize, to meditate or contemplate; reflect. American Heritage® Dictionary 

It must be understood the meaning of Paleo Hebrew words and then words put in are italic! I know that English Bible scholars who translate the Bible and place certain words base on their belief. They all did not understand that even though the "daily" was used with sacrifices it also stood as something even more everlasting. What they overlooked that the sacrifices ended with the death of YAHSHUA. Dan 9:27 Scarifies should not have been used during the Time of Trouble, the 144,000 were calling out the great multitude who was to be sealed!

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever. Dan 12:3 

And it was said to them that they should not harm the grass of the earth, nor every green thing, nor every tree, except only the men who do not have the seal of YAHWEH on their foreheads. Rev 9:4

Because of this they are before the Throne of YAHWEH, and serve HIM day and night in HIS Sanctuary. And HE sitting on the Throne will Tabernacle over them. And they will not hunger still, nor will they thirst still, nor at all shall fall on them the sun, nor any kind of heat. Rev 7:15, 16

And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went away to make warfare with the rest of her seed, those keeping the Commandments of YAHWEH, and having the testimony of Yahshua Messiah. Rev 12:17

So the word daily is related to the following Scriptures and meanings:

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep The Sabbath, to observe The Sabbath throughout their generations, for a Perpetual Covenant. Ex 31:16 

They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to YAHWEH in a Perpetual Covenant that shall not be forgotten. Jer 50:5 

Isa 24:5  The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the Everlasting Covenant.

Aionios: From G165; meaning perpetual

Olam: Means generally time out of mind past or future, that is, eternity; frequentative adverbially especially with prepositional prefix always continuance (a form of continual), eternal, forever lasting, long (time), perpetual, without end. Compare H5703

H5703 - Ad: properly terminus, that is duration, in the sense of perpetuity (substantially as a noun, either with or without a preposition eternity, everlasting, perpetually. Strong Hebrew and Greek Dictionary

To answer your question concerning the 1,290 literal days is when probation or the Time of Trouble close at the end of the 1,260.

Again remember Daniel was told to sealed up the Book, but John reopen the same Book and more was giving for us today to understand what will take place in the latter days because time was at hand even then! The prophecies were starting to be fulfilled from that point on. Rev 1:1-3 The papacy rose and lasted only 1,260 years, he thought he change ELOHIM Times and Law, the seventh head attach to the beast was the papacy and the beast itself was wounded when the papacy lost it's power. But it did not die. You see man number after fallen from seven to six imperfection. YAHWEH now shows the real mystery of the beast and man's number. It all begin with Nimrod who started the entire wold paganism, that THEY had to come down and unglobalize the world! Nimrod was the first six of imperfection of man fallen from grace forming a globalize world of paganism. Satan was trying at first to keep YAHSHUA from coming and dying for man to return us to perfect or 7 as the Adam's original were! Satan did not succeed so the papacy came and organize a religion and successions of popes who united Nimrod's religion from actually the seven known empires that deal with YAHWEH'S people. The papacy was the is not! She went into hiding. The seven hills or mountains surrounding the papacy were these religions from the seven empires that she united! Egypt, Assyria, Neo-Babylon, Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome and the papacy was Papal Rome. Then the mystery was shown that five had fallen before the time of John: Egypt, Assyria, Neo-Babylon, Persia, and Greece, one is was Pagan Rome because John was on the Island of Patmos. One that had a short time was Papal Rome! The beast came out of her and hated her because he realize that she was a fake and he also knew that all these earthly religions were not real. He went to the source-Satan and his kingdom. And it was not on earth!!!!! So the beat was hidden for centuries because the papacy head was wounded but the papacy head became heal and more powerful today! But the beast-the is had to rid himself of the papacy. First he had to stop the 144,000 who had finish their work, he cause them to scatter and YAHWEH made sure of their bread and water, why? Because during this sixty days or two months without an ADVOCATE because the work was done, the seven last plagues were poured out and YAHWEH people need to protected while this was happening. The beast also came down thinking he was destroying the Bible, but the Ark of the Covenant prove for the wicked to see that YAHWEH'S EVERLASTING COVENANT was PERPETUAL!!!  Now follow what the beast will be doing the full sixty days:

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our MASTER was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.  And after three days and an half the Spirit of life (THE HOLY SPIRIT ) from (true meaning is THE ACTION) ELOHIM entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to ELOHIM of Heaven. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Rev 11:7-14 

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIM hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of ELOHIM shall be fulfilled. nd the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rev 17:12-18 

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which go forth to the kings of the earth, even of the whole inhabitable world to assemble them to the war of that day, the great day of Elohim Almighty. Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one watching and keeping his garments, that he does not walk naked, and they may see his shame. And he (the beast) assembled them in the place having been called in Hebrew, Har-Megiddo. And the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a great voice came from the throne from the sanctuary of Heaven, saying, It is Finish! And voices and thunders and lightnings occurred. And a great earthquake occurred, such as did not occur since man came into being on the earth, such a huge earthquake, so great! And the great city came to be into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before YAHWEH, to give to her the cup of the wine of the anger of His wrath. Rev 16:13-19

He will end thinking he can battle with THE LAMB! Yes, he will have the armies of the 10 kings over the entire world ready! But they will see YAHSHUA SPEAK and HIS WORD will be like a sword. Then the Bible said the beast and the false prophet was taken and his army watched them two both thrown in the Lake of Fire! His armies were destroy by YAHSHUA'S MOUTH that is HIS sword! And the birds were called to eat their flesh. Rev 19:11-21

 

 

Blessings!

 

[stinsonmarri]

Since, I realize to late and could not edit: " Scarifies should have been used during the Time of Trouble, the 144,000 were calling out the great multitude who was to be sealed!" It should have been:  The word scarifies should not have been used during the Time of Trouble, the 144,000 were calling out the great multitude who was to be sealed! There are no sacrifices or blood in Heaven, that is why YAHSHUA came to the earth who is the courtyard! Adventist should know this base on EGW if you know anything about her!

[To help people to better understand what you wanted to say, I have inserted the word "not" into your previous post as you have written it in the above--Gregory Matthews.]

 

The Gathering Time

September 23, the MASTER showed me that He had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, [see page 86.] and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering, Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time ELOHIM will heal and bind up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the gathering, when ELOHIM has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if ELOHIM should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be gathered. I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the MASTER, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. [This applies to the chart used during the 1843 movement, and has special reference to the calculation of the prophetic periods as it appeared on that chart. The next sentence explains that there was an inaccuracy which in the providence of ELOHIM was suffered to exist. But this does not preclude the publication of a chart subsequently which would correct the mistake, after the 1843 movement was past, and the calculation as then made had served its purpose.]

Then I saw in relation to the 'daily' (Daniel 8:12) that the word 'sacrifice' was supplied by man's wisdom, and does not belong to the text, and that the MASTER gave the correct view of it to those who gave the judgment hour cry. When union existed, before 1844, nearly all were united on the correct view of the 'daily,' but in the confusion since 1844, other views have been embraced, and darkness and confusion have followed (Early Writings, 74-75)

In this debate, Ellen White clarified that her statement about the 1843 chart being correct was made in the context of new time setting by Millerite leaders. She also said that she didn't know exactly what the daily was, as she had not been shown anything on that topic. She asked church leadership not to use her writings to settle the debate on the daily. 2010 Ellen White Symposium: "Ellen White And The 'Daily' Conflict"

For the life of me I cannot understand that those who claim to believe in what she was shown also Hiram Edison vision as well. Do not get this and turn things around and even believe in the Catholic trinity! We should understand now more than ever AoD. EGW very first vision is about the 144,000 who will be the remnant and not the whole church. Come on folks! Rev 14 is all about them receiving their reward and how they got their reward. The Loud Cry is them who are the messenger moving fast around the earth, preaching to the great multitude who will receive the final seal of ELOHIM! Jerusalem/Babylon will be destroyed for the final and third time. ELOHIM is calling those in this city that will be sealed to this place. It is about to be destroyed by the abomination and make this place desolate. That is what a nuke does but to even destroy Jerusalem for good because of her sins reaching to Heaven and the Papacy rebuilding the Temple. The Dome of the Rock has never been ELOHIM'S Temple, because it is too high up which is totally against THE FATHER. HE never wanted HIS people to build anything for HIM in high places!!!!! The curse is they will rebuild that Temple and tread on THE MOST HOLY PLACE, where THE SHEKINA GLORY OF ELOHIM PRESENCE was there!

The daily proves the gathering of YAHWEH'S people at the end of time and shows that all point to HIS EVERLASTING PERPETUAL STATUTES, LAWS and COMMANDMENT!

Blessings!

[Dave Watchman]

On 6/27/2016 at 7:13 PM, stinsonmarri said:

Thanks very much, but give the understanding to THE HOLY SPIRIT! Let's talk about "the daily sacrifice,"

Thank you for your posts stinsonmarri.

I agree with what you say about the papacy and his 1260 years and I think you are close with the five who have fallen but I've got to keep an eye on the AofD. So I also think I agree that the "daily" is not something going on in a temple built on a high place.

So if I were to talk about this "daily" sacrifice mentioned by the prophet Daniel, I would think of it as being a much more important thing than a service in a temple in some city on earth. I would be thinking that it began in the garden on the very day that Adam fell. This is probably the reason why he didn't die on that very day. Jesus stepped in the way and held back the wrath of God. When our Restrainer is taken out of the way it will open the door to the man of sin and an outpouring of God's wrath that has been on hold for 6000 years.

The "daily" I think is also referred to as the "continual" and can be seen coming to a conclusion in the sanctuary scene from Revelation 8 when the censer is cast down. The censer is used at the golden alter which is the alter of incense. A special incense is burnt continuously on the alter, with new incense offered every evening and morning. The alter of incense is used for corporate atonement which is for the sins of the whole camp or in this case the whole world.

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,

and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,

there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

In my current view, the casting down of the censer is the same thing as the taking away of the "daily" and that it happens because of and at the same time as the abomination that maketh desolate gets set up. 1290 days after these two and the last day for salvation will arrive, resurrection of the just will occur and then the time will have come for God to destroy the destroyers of the earth.

"Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,

So how can the Devil rise up even to the Prince of the host and cause the taking away of the "daily"? He does it by reason of transgression. By causing the world to fill up it's cup of transgressions we finally reach the point where the abomination of desolation causes our High Priest to throw in the towel and the censer is cast down. So I don't think it's just all the new sodomite laws alone that have caused this but the days of Lot are the indicator or THE sign of the transgression of desolation.

"How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

And this question sounds to me just like asking when is the daily going to be taken away which is when we will be at the appointed time of the end. The only detail that they were willing to give us in 600 BC was: don't even start worrying about it until after 1844. And even that date seemed like a long long time after the Ostrogoths, the Heruli and the Vandals were plucked up by the roots.

 

I still say that there was no way Paul or any of the first century disciples, with the exception of John late in his life, could have known about this.

 

Happy Sabbath.

[Samie]

For those interested, here's an alternative chart for end-time events.

[Dave Watchman]

1 hour ago, Samie said:

For those interested, here's an alternative chart for end-time events.

Thanks for the chart. 

What do you mean by "alternative" chart. Non-Official SDA? Because I looked at it and don't want to say anything bad about it in case you made it. But..................

You must be aware that the "time, times and half a time" from Daniel 7 was the 1260 years of the Pope of Rome. That prophetic time period is completed.

It  began in 538 with the Ostrogoths, Heruli and Vandals. And it ended in 1798 when the Beast received his mortal head wound.

And the take away of the daily and set up of the AoD are at the same time followed by 1290 days until the end of these wonders.

But it might not be a bad thing because you're never going to believe where I think the abomination that maketh desolate is.

I'm a big fan of an ex SDA pastor who is a scientist of the Jubilee calendar. His name is Larry Wilson and he has compiled a list of the 18 prophetic time periods in the books of Daniel and Revelation.

I believe that Larry has found the mechanism for when and why prophetic time needs to be translated day for a year.

Here is his list of the 18 prophetic time periods: 

1. Time, times and half a time (saints persecuted – Daniel 7:25)

2. 2,300 evenings and mornings (until temple restored – Daniel 8:14)

3. 70 weeks (determined upon the Jews, Messiah crucified – Daniel 9:24,25)

4. Time, times and half a time (when completed, power of the holy people broken – Daniel 12:7)

5. 1,290 days (from the end of the daily to the setting up of the abomination – Daniel 12:11)

6. 1,335 days (blessed is the one who waits for and reaches this day – Daniel 12:12)

7. Half hour of silence (at the opening of the 7th seal – Revelation 8:1)

8. 5 months (length of torture upon those not having the seal of God – Revelation 9:5)

9. Hour, day, month and year (punctiliar event when war begins – Revelation 9:15)

10. 42 months (Gentiles trample holy city – Revelation 11:2)

11. 1,260 days (Two Witnesses empowered for this length of time – Revelation 11:3)

12. 3.5 days (bodies of Two Witnesses lie in the street – Revelation 11:11)

13. 1,260 days (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:6)

14. Time, times and half a time (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:14)

15. 42 months ( beast was allowed to exercise authority – Revelation 13:5)

16. One hour (ten kings join with beast – Revelation 17:12)

17. One day, one hour (Babylon’s destruction begins – Revelation 18:8,19)

18. 1,000 years (Satan in the abyss – Revelation 20:2)

 

[Samie]

I was once in your shoes, Dave. Yes, the chart is mine.

The first six in your list along with, 10, 11, 13 -15 are all directly related with the AoD.  Hence, for me, since there is only one unique AoD referred to by Jesus and its setting up will occur shortly before the 2nd coming, all prophecies directly related with the AoD will likewise find fulfillment shortly before the second coming.

For me, the 2300 days are not years but literal days (see the chart). They are yet to be fulfilled in the future. The 2300 days of Dan 8 and the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 did not simultaneously start, nor did the 70 weeks start in 457 BC. Why? Because the Bible specifies that the start will be from the issuance of the command to restore Jerusalem. The 457 BC decree of the Achaemenid ruler Artaxerxes Longimanus was NOT for restoration of Jerusalem but for BEAUTIFICATION of the temple in Jerusalem.

Explanation of Josiah Litch as per #8 re: Rev 9:5 is easily proven unsound by the very next verse, v6.

I can point out more but I don't mean to overwhelm you. You may reconsider your position comparing Scriptures with Scriptures.

[phkrause]

On 7/2/2016 at 8:45 PM, Dave Watchman said:

I'm a big fan of an ex SDA pastor who is a scientist of the Jubilee calendar. His name is Larry Wilson and he has compiled a list of the 18 prophetic time periods in the books of Daniel and Revelation.

One of my SIL worked for him!! He's from Texas if I remember correctly?? She sent me his lectures on tape. I listened to a few, but never got around to all of them. I might even still have them.

[JoeMo]

On 6/18/2016 at 8:04 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

When the 7th head receives it's "deadly wound" - that's the END of the heads - UNTIL the image is set up.  The image will BE "the 8th head". 

Maybe.  I think another possibility is that the 7th king who received a deadly wound was the Turkish Ottoman Empire; the Islamic Caliphate based out of Turkey that ruled the the Middle-East, North Africa, and parts of Eastern Europe with an iron fist.  In one year alone, they beheaded 1.5 Million Armenian Christians.  During and in the aftermath of WW1, the Ottoman Empire was totally dismantled and Turkey became a secular governed country.  The Islamic Empire was dead.

But wait!  Now, we have a resurgence of radical Islam, determined to set up a world wide Caliphate and dominate the world.  Its deadly wound is healed; and their forces are poised to completely take over the Middle East - including (unfortunately) Israel and Jerusalem; and then the world.  Furthermore, it appears that the new Caliphate may even be run from the same country - Turkey. Take a look at the nations mentioned in Ezekiel 38:1-7 - Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Persia, Cush, Put, Gomer, and Beth Togarmah.  These nations existed in or very near where Turkey is now. Read the rest of Jeremiah 38 and 39. This resurrected  Caliphate will devastate Israel and Jerusalem until only a remnant is left.  Then Jesus will come, and the remnant of Jews will look upon He whom they have pierced, and repent and grieve over it; and accept Jesus as their Savior and Lord.  Jesus and His angels will then totally wipe out the forces of the antichrist until the end of the millennium.  Praise be to the Lamb - the Lion of Judah! 

[stinsonmarri]

Dave: The daily does mean continual but again sacrifice was in the writings of Daniel. KJ's scribes put that in their.

Yea, he magnified himself even to THE PRINCE of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of HIS Sanctuary was cast down. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:11, 13

Listen this was a different time and again I say to you this is YAHWEH Law was taken away first and the "mâkôn," in Paleo-Hebrew actually means basis. Once again the scribes was thinking of sacrifice and the sanctuary here on earth. This was dealing with the Heavenly Sanctuary where there is no sacrifice or blood! It was the foundation given that cast down, Also, the host in Paleo-Hebrew is "tsâbâ'  tsebâ'âh" which is worship by removing the appointed time. Even SDA do keep all of the appoint time for worship.

Speak to the children of Israel, and you shall say to them, The set time of YAHWEH which you shall proclaim as Holy Convocation, shall be these: These are My appointed time: Lev 23:2

The Paleo Hebrew word "mô‛êd,  mô‛êd, mô‛âdâh," is found in Genesis but was changed again by the scribes. However, there are new versions of the Bible that replace the truth:

 

Gen 1:14

And Elohim said , Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

(CEV)  ELOHIM said, "I command lights to appear in the sky and to separate day from night and to show the time for seasons, special days, and years.

(GNB)  Then ELOHIM commanded, "Let lights appear in the sky to separate day from night and to show the time when days, years, and religious festivals Appointed Time begin;

(GW)  Then ELOHIM said, "Let there be lights in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs and will mark religious festivals Appointed time, days, and years.

(JUB)  And ELOHIM said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for Appointed times and for days and years;

First, there were no season until after the flood:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. Gen 8:22 

Paul could not nor would not change YAHWEH'S Holy Appointed Time which also includes the Sabbath. These are the Statute Law that from Adam to Abraham kept.

Because that Abraham obeyed MY VOICE, and kept MY Charge, MY Commandments, MY Statutes, and MY Laws. Gen 26:5 

Yes, YAHWEH stated clearly that the papacy will think to change HIS Time and Law, but you can't. Please note that passover was a supper that was replace with YAHSHUA supper on the same day and to taken once a year. The Catholic church change is like did the Sabbath and the other Holy Days. Christmas a lie all who keeps it breaks that Commandment, including easter (how on earth can Adventist keep a know goddess, easter eggs that rabbit acting like chicken!), Halloween, New Year (not ELOHIM'S New Year, it is call Abib), and Valentine day!

This is what YAHSHUA had to come down THE PRINCE to died to set the record straight! But in chapter 12 the beast man not the papacy will only reign for only two months and those who are blessed waits until the 1,335 days. THE VOICE of YAHWEH ELOHIM will be heard and only the righteous will understand that help is on the way. YAHSHUA, HE States is coming and the righteous will understand and the wicked will not.

Blessings and happy Sabbath!