There Is No Free Lunch

May 31, 2006

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It's interesting that you assume that law enforcement will be violent, while lawbreakers will be peaceful.

While you assumed the opposite. Not sure I assumed the second part of your sentence, either... The violence on the part of the authorities may well be in response to violence - or non-violent resistance - on the part of the illegals. All I'm saying, and it's really not a big point, is that deporting 12 million people - over half the entire population of Australia - is not a trivial undertaking, and shouldn't be talked about as though it's something that can be simple, clean, quick and orderly.

June 1, 2006

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While you assumed the opposite.

Actually, you're the one that brought up violence. I did not assume violence on either part.

I confess that once you raised the issue of violence, my experience and a knowledge of history led me to believe that the lawbreakers would be most likely to instigate it.

Secondly, while the movement of 12 million people may seem monumental, in 2005 US airlines moved 745.7 million passengers according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. That comes out to more than 62 million per month, or a little more than 14 million per week. And that's just by air. So if we moved all 12 millioin by air, it would only represent less than 2% of capacity. In general, air travel is a pretty simple, clean, quick and orderly system.

The total number of people who cross the border from the U.S. to Mexico at just the top 5 points of entry is annually in excess of 190 million. Twelve million represents only 6% of that total.

Capacity certainly isn't the problem

Not a trivial thing, certainly, but far from overwhelming.

Any reasonable person recognizes that moving all 12 million at one time wouldn't be practical, but it wouldn't be all that difficult, spread over a series of weeks and months.

Apprehension poses the first challenge. But after a few well-publicized apprehensions and deportations, many illegals would find their own way home. Indeed, with Pence's plan, most would likely make their own travel arrangements.

June 1, 2006

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I guess white folk need to have more babies too to maintain the majority status which I'm sure is driving alot of this

This is racially inflamatory and I do not think it has a place here at C/A.

June 1, 2006

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GWBush does not even want to discourage illegal aliens from coming to the US to work and live, etc., without documentation. He is actually working to establish a North American Union, to dissolve the borders between US and Canada and US and Mexico, so every person can go back and forth without any problem. Also, to do away with the dollar, the peso, etc., and establish a single mode of currency, the Amero [something like the Euro].

Come on now...

June 1, 2006

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This is racially inflamatory and I do not think it has a place here at C/A.

Uh, what are you talking about?

June 1, 2006

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The only pratical way of regulating immigration is to really come down on employers hard and be very very tight on ID verification. Its time to get those rfid's implanted I guess! Thats the only way I can eally see the US rolling back the tide!

Proposal to Implant Tracking Chips in Immigrants.

http://www.livescience.com/scienceoffiction/060531_rfid_chips.html

I really think this is the only thing that will really do the job! I'm serious!

June 1, 2006

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Uh, what are you talking about?

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I guess white folk need to have more babies too to maintain the majority status which I'm sure is driving alot of this(I don't mean on CA) debate.

Such statements are an attempt to paint white people that are concerned about immirgration as racist. This is playing the race card. It is itself a racist statement.

The current immigration debate is about illegal immirgrants. It is not about immigration in general. More immirgrants LEGALLY come to the US each year from Mexico than any other country. Mexicans are not white. If there was a conspiracy to keep America white the government would increase the number of eastern europeans it allows to come to the US. The fact that more Mexicans come to the US than any other country is EVIDENCE that immirgration is NOT a race issue.

June 1, 2006

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Such statements are an attempt to paint white people that are concerned about immirgration as racist. This is playing the race card. It is itself a racist statement.

Again Shane here is an example of you criticising something that has not been said. Its an easy tactic but a bit transparent. Not all white people who are concerned about the immigration debate are racist. Its clear however, from the nature of the debate that a good number are.

The prospect of White people becoming the minority in 25 years is alarming to some. This was the sub-text of John Gibson's commentary on Fox news a coupe of weeks ago. Race is part of the debate whether you like it or not. The fact that the birth rate amongst whites is lower than other minorities is an unspoken factor.

The large numbers of Mexicans coming into the US is seen as a threat legal or otherwise.

Here's what Jon Gibson from Faux News said...

First, a story yesterday that half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far, the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic. Why is that? Well, Hispanics are having more kids than others. Notably, the ones Hispanics call "gabachos" -- white people -- are having fewer.

Now, it's time for "My Word." Do your duty. Make more babies. That's a lesson drawn out of two interesting stories over the last couple of days.

Now, in this country, European ancestry people, white people, are having kids at the rate that does sustain the population. It grows a bit. That compares to Europe where the birth rate is in the negative zone. They are not having enough babies to sustain their population. Consequently, they are inviting in more and more immigrants every year to take care of things and those immigrants are having way more babies than the native population, hence Eurabia.

I love the way you are able to spot the racism of others but seem not to see it in yourself.

June 2, 2006

It is easier to just appoligize than defend a racist statement.

June 2, 2006

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Oh....I'm the little white dog by the way!

June 2, 2006

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Race is part of the debate whether you like it or not.

I live on the border. 87% of the population is hispanic. A local news station did a poll and found over 80% of the local population thinks something needs to be done to stop illegal immirgration. I don't think the hispanics living on the border are afraid of the US becoming a hispanic nation.

Time to take off the race glasses and stop seeing everything as a race issue.

June 2, 2006

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Time to take off the race glasses and stop seeing everything as a race issue.

Again Shane, its kinda difficult to have an intelligent discussion with you. Rather than engage in a discussion you retreat to attacking an argument that has not been made.

I can see that talking about race is uncomfortable for you or else you would not protest so much. Like it or not I will call it as I see it.

Maybe in time you'll be able to learn to reflect more deeply. I often get a sense that you are so willing to point fingers on the issue of race but less willing stop, listen and show others that you understand even if you don't agree.

June 2, 2006

The record is clear. You raised the issue of race with your "white folks" comment.

Please don't compound that with such comments as "Maybe in time you'll be able to learn to reflect more deeply."

That's condescending, invidious, and inflammatory. You wouldn't like it if someone said that to you. Simple courteousy dictates that you would not use it on another.

"Calling it like you see it" is a poor excuse for being discourteous.

June 2, 2006

There are three issues that some confuse. Those are language, race and culture. I tend to be color blind. I do not let a person's color impact the way I make decisions regardless if it is hiring, firing, making friends, having lunch, praying or attending church with them. Color simply isn't a factor to me. It didn't even play a role in chosing my wife. Language and culture are factors.

Language and culture do play their part in the immirgration debate. Some are concerned about immirgrants coming here from currupt cultures and bringing curruption here. There is also concern about immirgrants from certain cultures that are more likely to drive drunk and cause accidents. Domestic abuse is also higher in some cultures which is another thing some immirgrants bring with them. Some immirgrants do not want to pledge alligence to America due to their culture which is also an issue.

Language is another issue. Some groups want America to become a multilinguistic nation like Canada and Belize. Others would like English to become the official language. This also is part of the immirgration debate.

The color of immirgrants' skin is not part of the debate. The strength of the US is the Constitution and the rule of law. I am proad to be part of a nation that battles organized crime and drug runners. Every time a corrupt politician is arrested, I give thanks to the Lord. White people are not and never have been what makes America great. It is our form of government and the enforcement of our laws.

June 2, 2006

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The record is clear. You raised the issue of race with your "white folks" comment.

I know I raised the issue of race!!!! The issue is whether what I said was racist. My contention is that it was not.

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Please don't compound that with such comments as "Maybe in time you'll be able to learn to reflect more deeply."

That's condescending, invidious, and inflammatory. You wouldn't like it if someone said that to you. Simple courteousy dictates that you would not use it on another.

The contructs that you put on it are your perspective on the matter. I may not like something that is said about me but it does not mean that it is not true. I'm surprised you would characterise what I say as being discourteous but saying "that I should take of the race glasses" is not. What I said was rather personal but not discourteous.

Perhaps your view that I'm being discourteous is colored by the fact that you agree with Shane's point!

June 2, 2006

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... are concerned about immirgrants coming here from currupt cultures and bringing curruption here.

Is this not condescending, invidious, and inflammatory Ed? What is a corrupt culture? If this is not racist what is?

Of course there are certain cultures that have a high incidence of a particular crimal behaviour. That does not make their culture corrupt.

We just learned that the British search for the word "porn" than anyone else. Does that make the British culture corrupt?

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Some immirgrants do not want to pledge alligence to America due to their culture which is also an issue.

Just like American immigrants living in the UK who do not plege allegence to the UK. I dont peldge allegence to America!

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The color of immirgrants' skin is not part of the debate.

Color is not part of the debate as it manifests itself on CA or the corporate media becasue some do not see it as an issue. On some latino radio stations and black stations it is seen as integral to the whole debate. It depends on who is debating.

The difference in the treatment of Cuban\Hatian\African\White European\black European immigrants is known by those who are affected by it.

June 2, 2006

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Perhaps your view that I'm being discourteous is colored by the fact that you agree with Shane's point!

I don't agree with very much that Shane has said. My "view" is based on common norms of behavior, and the Golden Rule.

Apparently you wouldn't think it out of line for someone to say to you, "Maybe in time you'll be able to learn to reflect more deeply." In that case, perhaps in time you'll be able to perceive what condescension means.

June 3, 2006

Anyone that has studied Mexican society knows that it is corrupt. I was taught this while studying Mexican culture in Mexico! We are not just talking about criminal activity the government can't control. The government are partners with the criminals! We have Mexican Army humvees driving accross shallow areas of the river to bring drugs into the country.

Adventists blame the Catholic influence on the culture and the flagerant corruption of priests during the inquisition in Latin America. Whatever its cause, it is well known and even taught in the univeristies as part of the Mexican culture. This should not be confused with race. Hispanics born in the US and assimulated to its culture view the corruption in Mexico as forgien as any other American does.

Since doing missionary work in Mexico I have been robbed by the police twice. In my 36 years living in America the police here have never robbed me once.

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Just like American immigrants living in the UK who do not plege allegence to the UK.

If they wish to have the benefits of Brittish citizenship, they ought to pledge alligence to the UK.

June 5, 2006

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Ed Dickerson said:

Fine, LHC, show us the verses about smoking, fiscal policy, quantum physics, tariffs, monetary policy, term limits, computers, ipods, and the internet.

[:"red"] "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

" [/] Eccl 9:10 NKJV

[:"red"] "...whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." [/] 1 Cor 10:31 KJV

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