When Was Jesus Crucified?

[Kevin H]

12 hours ago, JoeMo said:

Another question for me concerns the 2,300 "days".  Many translations call them 2,300 "evenings mornings".  In Hebrew, the word "day" is "yom".  In Daniel 8:24, the Hebrew word is "ereb boger" which literally means evening/morning".  It is the only time this term is used in scripture.  Could this possibly refer to the daily evening/morning sacrifices?  If so, 2,300 sacrifices would be equivalent to 1,150 days; which fits with the 1,260 days - just the opposite of the 1,260 days fitting into the 2,300 days.

Hi JoeMo:

You are correct that Daniel 8:14 does not say "Day but "evening-morning." But may I say that this does NOT suggest a reference to the sacrifices and be equivalent to 1,150 days, but is actually a stronger argument for the Adventist application than if it did use the word "day".

First of all, the term for the sacrifice is NOT "evening-morning", but a very technical "morning and evening". I actually read in a couple of commentaries that support the 1150 days that the author of Daniel was clearly Dyslexic because he meant to write "mornings and evenings" but he switched around the words "morning"and the word "evening" and he forgot to include the word "and" but that we have to be careful to recognize his dyslexia and not read the text as it stands but to change the text to what he meant to say.

However, others recognizing that the term "evenings-morning" is very similar to the "evenings and mornings" of Genesis 1 and is thus related to the daily cycle, but that it is also emphasis to the daily cycle and should be compared to the weekly cycles  that we find in Leviticus 23 and in the book of Deuteronomy. 

In Leviticus 23 a Hebrew week is 6 days and the weekly Sabbath, 6 months and either Passover or Yom Kippur, 6 years and the Sabbatical year, and 6 Sabbatical years and the Jubilee. Thus an evening-morning is a reference to the daily cycle of this and can be a literal day, month, year or sabbatical year. However Daniel is based on Deuteronomy which does not have the Jubilee as it is in Leviticus. Everything that happens in the Jubilee in Leviticus occurs in the Sabbatical year of Deuteronomy, thus while it can relate to the Jubilee it would not allow for 2300 sabbatical years. 

Anyway, another reason why we can say that it should not be 1150 days is by looking at the text. The vision was given in the 3rd year of Belshazzar. Now it was not until the 20th century that we learned that Belshazzar was indeed a real person. The 1150 days comes from the theory that Daniel did not exist and the book was written to deal with the issue of Antiochus Epiphanes and the wrong but wishful thinking that he would only have power for 1150 days. (they see the 2300 days as too long, the 1150 days are actually too short, but fit a little bit better than the 2300, and they can point out that it was only wishful thinking.) 

But now we know that Belshazzar was indeed a real person and we know what years he ruled. Now we only have the year to go by, but if you start with the third year of Belshazzar and add 1150 literal days to it you come to a year of business as usual. However if you start with the third year of Belshazzar and add 2300 days to it you come to the year that includes Medio-Persia approaching Babylon, Behshazzar's feast, and the early days of the Medio-Persia empire. 

Also, if you hold the early date of the exodus, Yom Kippur 1844 ends a cycle of 7 Sabbatical years and the start of a Jubilee. And what was happening on the earth at this time was that the Rosetta stone had recently been translated opening up ancient languages, and Edward Robinson just completed his first trip to the Holy Land and had just published his book of the trip. This was the first serious study in Bible Geography which opened the door to Biblical Geography and archaeology, it was the dawning of the age of exegesis. A time where we get to investigate the pages of scripture like never before.

[JoeMo]

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for taking the time to explain your position to me.  However, your explanation seems to place the fulfillment of the 2,300 days in Daniel's time.

16 hours ago, Kevin H said:

However if you start with the third year of Belshazzar and add 2300 days to it you come to the year that includes Medio-Persia approaching Babylon, Behshazzar's feast, and the early days of the Medio-Persia empire. 

However, the angel explaining the vision to Daniel said twice that the vision concerns the time of the end.

"He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end."(Dan. 8:19)

“The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.”(Dan. 8:26)

If the vision of the "evenings and mornings" was to be sealed up until the distant future, could it be that these 2,300 (or 1,150) days have not yet occurred; nor has this part of the vision been unsealed yet?  

[Kevin H]

The Lord could have come err this. May I recommend the chapter in the SDA Bible Commentary "The Role of Israel in Old Testament History." This is a very important article we were encouraged to read in Academy, but at college it was required reading with a paper for every semester you took a Bible class (which meant that religion and theology students had to do it every semester).We have been so influenced by Fundamentalists that has such a narrow view of inspiration that we miss a lot of the message of the Bible. 

There are three ways we find the Bible used by other Bible writers and prophets. The first is exegesis, or it's immediate context including how God was giving that generation either the chance to finish the work (by spreading the Gospel) or to prepare things so that a generation or two later could have finished and the Lord could have set up the kingdom. For example we have in Isaiah 7 God trying to encourage the king to trust in him. He was worried about two kings. Isaiah gave a promise of a child. Matthew said that this was a prediction of Jesus. But it sounds a little crazy for Isaiah to say to the king "I know you are worried about these two kings, but in about 500 years a child will be born and before he knows right from wrong those two kings will no longer be an issue, so all you need to do is trust God and wait 500 years."

Isaiah was talking about a child born in his day (but even so he was applying the child of promise that was given to Abraham, and which we can reapply to Jesus). There is a second principle of analogy, applying the principles to another similar situation. This is what Matthew is doing. This is what we do when we apply Daniel 8:14 to 1844, or when Ezekiel applies it to the end of time (and describing the end of time to how it could have ended had Jesus been accepted). Or even those involved in producing the book of Daniel to move it from the end of Babylonian about 2300 days later to applying it to the 70 weeks of years. 

A third way we find the Bible writers and Mrs. White using scripture is a homiletical or linguistic application. Where it is not the immediate context of exegesis or a reapplication to a similar situation, but where the words still fit. (an example is Mrs. White saying that we are preaching the law the law the law until we are as dry as the hills of Gilboah. ) 

Deuteronomy 4 predicted that the exile could have been the last days. The original setting of the 2300 days was about 2300 literal days from the end of Babylon. Daniel 9 re-applies it to the 70 week of years prophecy. Ezekiel has a 2310 day prophecy that shows how it could have been fulfilled when Jesus came. Yes, there could still be another application, but the evening-morning points to the cycles that we find in Leviticus, and 1844 was the fulfillment of the day-year application.

[GHansen]

When you are done discussing this, I suggest that you read "Christ's Glorious Achievements." Comprised of several sermons by Charles Spurgeon, each lesson is devoted to things accomplished by the death of Christ on the Cross:

Christ, the End of the Law

Christ, the Conqueror of Satan

Christ, the Overcomer of the World

Christ, the Maker of All Things New

Christ, the Spoiler of Principalities and Powers

Christ, the Destroyer of Death

Christ, the Seeker and Saviour of the Lost.

Available from Banner of Truth Trust.

[JoeMo]

17 hours ago, Kevin H said:

But it sounds a little crazy for Isaiah to say to the king "I know you are worried about these two kings, but in about 500 years a child will be born and before he knows right from wrong those two kings will no longer be an issue, so all you need to do is trust God and wait 500 years."

I agree with your statement about the prophecy in Isaiah; but the prophecy in question is in Daniel.  Daniel 8 specifically states that the vision of the 2,300 days is in the distant future.  Daniel 10 thru 12 is all the same vision; and the Angel tells Daniel at the end of Chapter 12 that the vision is sealed up until the time of the end. (Dan. 12:9)

Daniel deals with the impact of the end times on the Jews specifically.  Revelation expands on it; and addresses the end times on a global scale.

If reading the Bible literally (hopefully "thinking as on OT Middle Easterner), makes me a fundamentalist, so be it.  I feel safer taking the Bible literally than trying to spiritualize or allegorize every passage; which can lead to multiple rabbit trails with dead ends.

That being said, I don't totally reject what you have stated.  You are a very scholarly and well-studied Christian.

[GE:]

First of all and obvious like daylight this thread about WHICH DAY of the week, deteriorated into inconsequential speculations about which YEAR Jesus had died in. And with such fanfare!

 

Next and just as obvious about this thread, is, That everyone participating EVADES AND HIDES one inevitability they not even want to hear whispered from any distance, corner or person, That the subject of this thread, on which day OF THE WEEK Jesus was crucified, is not the real issue, but, That the real issue and subject of this thread is and should be, The day of the week Jesus ROSE from the dead on, because the Bible so teaches!

 

But who wants to hear what the Bible has to say… old fashioned and boring for the boring and old and disappearing generations. Sounds and looks and is so unscholarly, so back-bush rhetorical and Boerish!

 

Now I will say my say in any case.

That there does not in the whole Bible exist any reason why a question should be asked like On which day of the week Jesus was crucified and died WHILE IT IS CLEAR AND UNDEBATABLE IMPLIED AS WELL AS STATED on which day of the week Jesus ROSE from the dead AND GOD FROM ALL HIS WORKS IN CHRIST RESTED!

 

Also I’ll say this, that nothing in all of Scripture could be plainer than

That Christ was crucified on “the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER .. BEFORE THE FEAST”;

 

And was finished BURIED “on That Day the Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath .. great-day-of-sabbath (of the passover) .. the Sabbath mid-afternoon approaching”;

 

And “according to the Scriptures ROSE THE THIRD DAY .. SABBATH being in the daylight inclining towards the First Day of the week”.

 

END OF ALL DOUBT and restlessness for the teachable; beginning of disdain, unrest and insult from the smug.

[Gregory Matthews]

It has been said here that some SDAs seem to believe that the so-called 1844 prophecy requires that Christ be crucified in 31 AD.  It is true that some believe such.  To me, that belief requires a wooden, extremely literal understanding of the 1844 prophecy.  I Reject that approach.  To me, the 1844 prophecy could have Christ being crucified any time in the 30 - 33 AD time range.

Yes, I prefer the 31 date, but, I do not believe that such a date can be supported by an 1844 prophecy.  To state such, to me is circular reasoning.

 

 

[8thdaypriest]

The key to the "three days and three nights" is to start the "clock" when Jesus was arrested in the garden.  This is the moment when Jesus was "thrown overboard" (like Jonah).  Jesus said, "This is your hour and the power of darkness." 

As Jonah was thrown overboard into the sea, so Christ was “betrayed” and “delivered into the hands of sinful men” (Luke 24:7).  He was “delivered unto the Gentiles” (Lk 18:32),  rejected, abandoned, and forsaken of God (Lk 17:20; Matt. 27:46; Mrk 15:34; Matt. 26:56; Mrk 14:50).  As Jonah was swallowed by the great fish, so Christ was swallowed by the evil which surrounded Him.  He was left alone to battle with Satan, and with men under the control of demons.

    Psalm 18:4-5  “The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.  The sorrows of Sheol compassed me about,: the snares of death prevented me.”

    Psalm 88:4,6 “I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength.  Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps.”

        Compare the above passages written by David (speaking prophetically as the suffering Messiah) with the following words of Jonah.  Both speak of waters, deep, corruption, rejection, darkness from which there is no escape.

    Jonah 2:6  “I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.”     
 
IMPORTANT!  The time period prophesied, must include the period of suffering
not simply the time period during which Jesus remained dead.  

        The whole process of humiliation was included in this “belly of the whale” experience (Matt. 16:21, Mk. 8:31, Mk. 9:12, Lk. 9:22, Lk. 17:25).

Jesus did not say that He would spend "three days and three nights" dead.  He said He would spend that period "in the heart of the earth". 

        Jerusalem was regarded as the center, or “heart of” the earth.  Jews were to travel from every part of the earth to Jerusalem, for worship on the Festival Days  (John 4:20; Acts 2:5-11, 8:27; Deut. 16:16).

Psalm 74:12  “For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth” (Ezek 38:12).  
 

 

[8thdaypriest]

Thursday nite (arrested) - Friday day - Friday nite - Sabbath day - Sabbath nite - Sunday at dawn = day.

Any part of a day - is a day, in Hebrew ancient time.

Besides.  One cannot spend "the third day" in the tomb, AND "rise the third day". 

1 Corinthians 15:4 “He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

Matthew 16:21 “be raised again the third day”
Matthew 17:23 “the third day he shall be raised”
Matthew 20:19 “the third day he shall rise again”
Mark 9:31 “shall rise the third day”
Mark 10:34 “the third day he shall rise again”
Luke 9:22 “be raised the third day”
Luke 13:32 “the third day I shall be perfected”
Luke 18:33 “the third day he shall rise again”
Luke 24:7  “the third day rise again”
John 2:19 “in three days”
Acts 10:40 “Him God raised up the third day”

[8thdaypriest]

Another example of “inclusive reckoning:”
The story of Peter and Cornelius.  

    1st Day:  An angel appeared to Cornelius “about the ninth hour of the day” telling him to send messengers to get Peter who was at Joppa (Acts 10:3-8).

    2nd Day:  As the messengers sent by Cornelius neared the house “on the morrow ... about the sixth hour”  (noon) Peter saw a vision.  In response to the vision Peter received the messengers and they spent the night there (verse 9).

    3rd Day:  And on the morrow Peter went away with them” (verse 23).

    4th Day: “And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea.”  Peter met Cornelius, who then told him of the angel’s visit.”  “Four days ago,” said Cornelius, “I was fasting unto this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing...” (Verses 24,30).

When he recounted the story to Peter, Cornelius said, “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour.” 

Count it for yourself!  Seventy-two hours (three full days) had passed from the time that Cornelius saw the vision, until he told the story to Peter - NOT 96 hours! Yet he says, “Four days ago.” 

This would mean that one could say “three days ago” and mean 48 hours!!!  
Before dawn of Friday - when Christ was taken into custody at the darkest hour of night -
until day-break on Sunday is just over 48 hours.

 

[8thdaypriest]

According to NASA, only one lunar eclipse occurred, visible from Jerusalem, during the years of Pilot's governorship over Judea. 

That full lunar eclipse (blood moon) occurred on the evening of Passover, Nissan 14 (April 3, 33AD). 

The huge full moon coming up blood red, would certainly have made an impression, especially after the earthquake that took place that afternoon, when the Temple veil was ripped in half. 

I personally like 33. 

[JoeMo]

On 7/1/2019 at 1:34 PM, GE: said:

Next and just as obvious about this thread, is, That everyone participating EVADES AND HIDES one inevitability they not even want to hear whispered from any distance, corner or person, That the subject of this thread, on which day OF THE WEEK Jesus was crucified, is not the real issue,

Dude,

Chill!  This is not a discussion of some salvational doctrine.  It's a discussion by those who find it an interesting topic.  No one is going to be saved or condemned based on their opinion here.  If this topic disgusts you, don't read it.

[John Fry]

Am putting together an Astronomy in the Bible program.  According to NASA moon charts the full moon was 25th April 31AD, and as the jews had to observe the moon first, passover would have been Friday 27th April, 31AD.  http://www.chodesh.info/nmoon/finding-the-historical-crucifixion-date.htm

[John Fry]

21 minutes ago, John Fry said:

Am putting together an Astronomy in the Bible program.  According to NASA moon charts the full moon was 25th April 31AD, and as the jews had to observe the moon first, passover would have been Friday 27th April, 31AD.  http://www.chodesh.info/nmoon/finding-the-historical-crucifixion-date.htm

And there are lots of reasons for accepting this date.  

“In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, WHEN THE SUN IS IN ARIES, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians,) the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the PASSOVER; and so we do celebrate this Passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following.“   Josephus, Antiquities book 3, chapter 10, part 5.   Okay sun is in Taurus the Bull on the date I give, see Leviticus 4 & see Psalms 22.

[Gustave]

On 7/9/2019 at 10:16 AM, 8thdaypriest said:

According to NASA, only one lunar eclipse occurred, visible from Jerusalem, during the years of Pilot's governorship over Judea. 

That full lunar eclipse (blood moon) occurred on the evening of Passover, Nissan 14 (April 3, 33AD). 

The huge full moon coming up blood red, would certainly have made an impression, especially after the earthquake that took place that afternoon, when the Temple veil was ripped in half. 

I personally like 33. 

Its the only date that fits the Biblical events that 's backed up by secular history. Years ago I watched a video that was quite stunning on this subject. Here it is below. Jaw dropping.

 

[John Fry]

On 7/18/2021 at 8:00 PM, John Fry said:

And there are lots of reasons for accepting this date.  

“In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, WHEN THE SUN IS IN ARIES, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians,) the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the PASSOVER; and so we do celebrate this Passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following.“   Josephus, Antiquities book 3, chapter 10, part 5.   Okay sun is in Taurus the Bull on the date I give, see Leviticus 4 & see Psalms 22.

[John: People with low vision problems are not able to read what you have posted due to your use of colors for the letters.  If you want people to read your post, you will need to use standard colors--Gregory Matthews.]

On 7/18/2021 at 8:00 PM, John Fry said:

And there are lots of reasons for accepting this date.  

“In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, WHEN THE SUN IS IN ARIES, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians,) the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the PASSOVER; and so we do celebrate this Passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following.“   Josephus, Antiquities book 3, chapter 10, part 5.   Okay sun is in Taurus the Bull on the date I give, see Leviticus 4 & see Psalms 22.  Okay how do I make this in black ink ?

 

 

[GHansen]

18 minutes ago, John Fry said:

 

 

John, The green/yellow type you are using is very difficult to read on my screen. They yellow is impossible to read, actually.

[stinsonmarri]

On 5/29/2019 at 5:58 PM, phkrause said:

I agree that Jesus was crucified on friday, rested on Shabbat and rose on the first day of the week!! If I'm not mistaken I believe the book of Luke confirms this better than the other gospel books?? Also there is a sermon, lecture, video of a minister, theologian that speaks to the three days three nights issue! These are not 24 hour periods as we in the west see 3 days 3 nights!! Anyway if I can find the video I will post!!

Yes, YAHSHUA did die on Friday at around 3pm it was going to be sunset within a couple of hours.

But we must go to the Scriptures to find the truth.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall THE SON of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Mat 12 :40

Where is the heart of the earth? Thayer and Etymology Online Dictionary says the same thing:

The middle or central or inmost part of anything. 

Now, this is true listen to what YAHSHUA Said 3 literal days and 3 literal nights make 3 24 hours time periods. Secondly in the middle or center of the earth. This is not the grave as we have been taught. Who is in the center of the earth? We are so that's the first clue to this mystery.

There are several Scriptures that will become clear about HIS death. 

 From that time forth began Yahshua to show unto HIS disciples, how that HE must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Mat 6:21

And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to execute HIM: and the third day HE shall rise again. Mat 20:19  

For HE taught HIS disciples, and said unto them, THE SON of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill HIM; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. And Caiaphas, and shall kill HIM: and the third day HE shall rise again. Mark 9:31, 34 

 And they shall mock HIM, and shall scourge HIM, and shall spit upon HIM, and shall kill him: and the third day HE shall rise again. Mark 10:34

Let's start with Ex 12: 1-6 it clearly states that the lamb was to be kept until the evening of the 14th day. Many do not understand the New Moon. There all tales, by the different so call Jewish sect. However, the Karaites are the closes. A actual New Moon you cannot see because the sun lights is not shining on it. It is when you see the first light of the New Moon is call the crescent. That would be the first day of the month. So, on 31ad if you count 14 days until evening that is when the lamb is killed. That evening also starts the Unleavened Bread. 

Now the feast (that word is pagan Lev 23 calls all the holy days "Holy Convocation) of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 1:22 

You will not find in the Bible that YAHWEH or YAHSHUA call the passover a day. It was a meal to be eaten on the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. This change was done by the Pharisees. Now, let's make it very clear the passover meal was eaten by HIM and HIS disciple on Thursday. Evening comes before day. The 14 day was Wednesday and the lamb was killed and at evening YAHSHUA took the passover meal which started Thursday.

 Now before the feast of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover?  And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.  Now when the even was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17, 19, 20

What happen all read in John that the Pharisee would not come into the Judgment Hall because they had not eaten the meal.  John 18:28  Here was people do not read above what happen to YAHSHUA! HE would be deliver to man, Judas did that in the Garden. Listen, they ate the supper before midnight read Ex Chapter 12. YAHSHUA did exactly what was written in that Chapter. HE suffer many things of the elders. Peter cut one of the servants ears and YAHSHUA put it back on! They first took HIM Annas Caiaphas father in law and then to Caiaphas, the Chief house. They had men to lied on HIM, slapped HIM and then spit on HIM. Mat 26:59, Mark 14:65 This took all night, when Peter denied HIM three times before the [censored] crowed. Now, it is Thursday Morning and the Pharisees and elder call a quick meeting early. They met to put HIM to death and immediately they brought HIM to Pilate. Mat 27:1, 2 Then Pilate begin to question HIM. The elders were telling all kind of lies on YAHSHUA! Luke 23:1-5. Pilate learned from the elders that YAHSHUA was from the Galilean jurisdiction, that belong to Herod and he sent HIM to Herod. Herod was in time because Sabbath was an high day. Because it was a Sabbath during the Week of Unleavened Bread. The priest had to dress up with pomp! 

Herod want to see YAHSHUA, he heard a lot about HIM and HIS Miracles. He was hoping he would get to see one. He begin to ask HIM questions, but YAHSHUA would not answer him. Now, the elders begin to tell Herod all kind of lies. And then Herod turn HIM over to his soldiers to mock HIM. ! Luke 23:6-12 Now, the elders then return HIM back to Pilate early now Friday Morning. So, I hope you can see that all of what YAHSHUA  was going go through will take three days! From Thursday to Friday Morning was a day and half. Then Pilate came to talk to the elders because they refuse to go into the Judgment Hall because they had not ate the meal and the hall they claim would defile them.

Pilate and YAHSHUA was along and that's when HE answered Pilate. John 18:33-40 Then, Pilate receives a letter from his wife to have nothing to do with YAHSHUA! She had a dream the night before dawn about HIM! Mat 27:19 Pilate, becomes afraid and go out to reason with the elders. He tried to release YAHSHUA and give them the worst criminal of that time. Satan had stir them up and they wanted HIM dead. Pilate returns and turns YAHSHUA  over to his soldiers. These are the Gentiles that mocked, and    scourged HIM! They made a crown of thorns force on HIS HEAD! They place a purple robe on HIS BODY, then they slapped HIM and playfully bowed down to worship HIM! Mark 15:19; John 19 1-3 Pilate took YAHSHUA to them again and said HE find no fault in HIM. They would not budge. YAHSHUA was already return to the hall. Pilate return ask HIM  another question. No answer and Pilate told YAHSHUA that he had the power to crucify HIM! YAHSHUA SPOKE:

Thou couldest have no power at all against ME, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered ME unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:6-11

Pilate take YAHSHUA out to the crowd that has form and ask them what they wanted. They wanted to crucify HIM! You know the rest. After they buried HIM and HIS BODY laid in the tomb for all of The Sabbath and very early while still dark on Sunday HE rose. From Thursday around 4 am, to Friday 4 am is one 24 hours, to Sunset the Sabbath 24 hours to early about 4am Sunday YAHSHUA rose. That is 3 days and 3 night actually!

 

                            This is 31 AD Roman Time 

The calendar shows the truth!

Blessings!

[Gregory Matthews]

To let anyone reading here know what Seventh-day Adventists believe on some of what Stinsonmarri has addressed:

*  SDAs teach that Jesus was crucified and died on Friday.

*  SDAs believe that Jesus rose from the dead early Sunday morning.

*  Some of what Stinsonmarri has posted reflects her personal beliefs and are not teachings of the SDA denomination.  She is entitled to hold   to her own belefs.

 

[stinsonmarri]

I can say it is in the Bible and all anyone have to do it read the Bible, I gave the Text. It does not have to be an SDA view or mine. It is what the Bible says. I would love anyone to show that the Bible did not say

"they shall mock HIM, and shall scourge HIM, and shall spit upon HIM, and shall kill him: and the third day HE shall rise again." 

The Bible says and SDA preaches a line upon a line and precept upon precept. Here little and there a little. EGW who is a SDA said that not to hold on to error when you find the truth. Shouldn't we study individually and the church can be in error?It is not infallible only THE MOST HIGH IS! I will say again, the SDA church or no church can save; YAHSHUA'S saves! I am an SDA by faith and I just simply read the Bible. All, should search the Scriptures themselves. The Berean's did and Paul who taught them stated they did the right thing. Why can't leaders of the church act like Paul?

YAHSHUA Said HIMSELF that HE would be in the earth three days and three nights. If HE meant the grave HE would have said the grave.

 If He ate  the passover at evening of the 15th and Matthew, Mark and Luke clearly state it was beginning of the Unleavened Bread week, tell me how could that be just my belief? Did not Pilate's wife have a dream? Now, when was that before YAHSHUA went to Herod? Now, HE went  to Annas first John stated then to Caiaphas. Let me see, after they ate, they went out to Mount Olive; where the Garden was! They sung songs and then YAHSHUA went by HIMSELF to pray. That's when ask HIS FATHER to take the cup from HIM. Then angels were sent by HIS FATHER to nourishing HIM and EGW stated to point HIM to the cross. Well I agree! HE goes where HIS disciples are sleeping instead of praying. Have you read the long prayer HE prayed to HIS FATHER in John beside the long lecture after the supper HE talked to the disciple? How long do you think all of this took, then being arrested. Healing an ear, going to the father in law house and then the high priest! Bound the next morning while the Sanhedrin meeting was call. They did not have cars! Taken to Pilate, did they fly? They were in the Judgement Hall with YAHSHUA, when he first questioned Him. Learning HE was a Galilean and Herod was over that region; he sent HIM to his palace. Go look see how far they were! HE  kept HIM for a long time and then sent HIM back to Pilate. You don't think Pilate had to be awaken? It was dawn and then the elders refuse to go into the Judgment Hall. Pilate talks to YAHSHUA and you need to read what took place. Pilate tries to reason with the elders they refuse, he looks for YAHSHUA and have another conversation. Pilate turns HIM over to his soldiers and again, these are the Gentiles that mocked, and scourged HIM! Now, If this all took place on one day show it in the Bible! Also, why does the 15th falls on a Thursday 31 AD and the evening just like the Sabbath was connected to the 14th Wednesday? Show me another date where there are three days and three nights. The third day is early while still dark, Sunday!

In closing, the question was asked: "When was YAHSHUA crucified?" I never mention SDA at all. I only answered the question Biblically. Please show me Biblically what I said or did wrong and I will stand and confess my error!

Blessings!

Edited August 12, 2021 by stinsonmarri
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[stinsonmarri]

I am still waiting for someone, my accusers that are saying I believe something wrong. Was it against the Bible or against the church? Show me, I ask of you kindly, with all my heart; was I wrong in the Bible? Is 31 AD the wrong date for HIS crucifixion? What day did they eat the passover that was the beginning of Unleavened Bread? Did HE eat the supper on the 15th day of Nisan? When was it? So, how many days did all the things that YAHSHUA went through happened? The Bible said in Matthew, HE was bound that morning what day was that? So because the elders refuse to go in the Judgment Hall, due to not eating the passover that made what they said the correct date for the eating of the passover? How many times had they been right in YAHSHUA'S Day? Have you been to the old city Jerusalem? I have and lived there! How long is it to Mt Olive, do you know? I certainly would like some answers. I wasn't thinking about the SDA church, but about the truth in the Bible. That's what was on my mind! Can someone tell me is the SDA church infallible? I know I'm not, but I know the WORD of YAHWEH IS!

Blessings!

[Gustave]

If you can say what it is you mean in under 8 sentences I would be willing to try and understand what it is you are saying that may conflict with SDA teaching. As it is you write so much your points often drown in obese verbose. 

[stinsonmarri]

Gustave: You didn't make it clear to whom you were referring to. I assumed now you are a great champion of the SDA church. It amazes me your obese verbose and contradiction. Which one is it you are trying to state you stand with the Catholic Church or not? You certainly have send a lot of comments trying to prove your belief or have you suddenly forgotten? People will do anything I see for glorification even up lift a church against their belief. You truly stood up I will give you that. No one it appears will give a kindly proof of what I requested. You instead just prove my point. Thanks!

Sometime you have to stand alone for truth and listen to name calling instead of answering the question. I wonder why?

Peace To You!

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/8/2019 at 1:03 AM, Kevin H said:

You are correct that Daniel 8:14 does not say "Day but "evening-morning." But may I say that this does NOT suggest a reference to the sacrifices and be equivalent to 1,150 days, but is actually a stronger argument for the Adventist application than if it did use the word "day".

Kevin: The Bible is correct. The word in Dan 8:14 is "eh'-reb," that stands for evening. Evening and morning makes 24 hours. So, when the angel explain to Daniel it would be actually 2,300 evenings or 2,300 24 hours which is evenings and morning is correct. It is so good to prove all things in the Bible!

Blessings!

[Kevin H]

Some Jewish sects had different times of reckoning for the feasts of the land. The Essenes tended to have Passover a few days before the official/Temple Passover.

The synoptic gospels have the last supper as Passover, while John has the crucifixion on Passover, and the feast at Simon's 6 days before Passover, and the last supper was 2 nights later. 

Ancient tradition had the last supper on Tuesday night, the feast tended to end well after midnight, then Jesus went to the garden for those horrible hours. He was arrested. Modern tradition, saying that the Passover was on Thursday night has a lot to happen in a short time; and refers to a Jewish law they said was broken in that the prisoner needed to be in prison until the next morning. The older traditions does not have this problem. There was the original hearing before the Sanhedrin quorum (23 Sadducee priests and Caliphas for 24 elders). Then Jesus would have been taken across Caliphas' court yard to the prison, in time to hear Peter's third denial. Spend the rest of Wednesday in the prison, taken out Thursday for more questioning by the Sadduceen court, then taken to Pilate, Herod and back to Pilate; 

Pilate hated the Jews but loved the gods. When he first came to Judea he put images all over. While at chariot races, a large number of Jews came and requested these images to be removed. Pilate said "No, and unless you leave the field I'll start the race and have them run all over you. '" The Jews said that if those were their options, then they chose death and laid down. Pilate then backed down, but hated the Jews ever since and would not pass up the chance to kill a Jew. 

As the 24 Sadducee Elders brought Jesus to Pilate, Pilate originally started out his routine way with a Jewish prisoner. I don't know if it was before or after sending Jesus to Herod that when again questioning Jesus, Pilate came to the horrible conclusion that his greatest love and greatest hate was standing before him. The "something out there" that he was trying to find through the pagan gods was indeed a true God. And this man standing before him was that God. But he was also a Jew. Pilate either had to give up his love for what was out there, or give up his pet sin of hating the Jews. 

Pilate tried to not make a decision and tried things to just let Jesus go, or told Caiaphas and the Sadducees to take care of it them selves. But the Sanhedrin was only allowed to stone people to death. They wanted Jesus hung on a tree since the popular misunderstanding of "Cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree" was that if someone was faithful to God they would not hang on a tree, and thus if someone does hang on a tree they must be God's enemy. The hanging on the tree would ruin the victim's reputation just as surely as if they were caught cheating on their wife or embezzling the church funds. (by the way, the money earned by the money changers went directly to Pilate as a bribe to keep the house of Annas in office). They saw this as a way of not only getting rid of the messenger but also the message.

As Pilate found it was not that easy to just let Jesus go, or just have the Sanhedrin take him and stone him, Pilate turned into a complete and total monster. Jesus is one of only two people who history records as being flogged then crucified. The name of Barnabas was similar to the name Jesus. Pilate knew which one he was going to release. (Oh, the word "Multitude" was a mysterious "misspelling" that they found in the gospels. The gospel writers kept using two different spellings that translators had assumed meant "multitude". But as it was discovered that Hebrew was not a dead language in Jesus' day but alive and well, translators would translate the gospels back not only in Aramaic, but also Hebrew. And what they thought was the misspelling of "multitude" turned out to be a correct spelling of a Hebrew word that meant "Those at hand" or "Those who happened to be there." As they checked this out with the gospels, they found that each of the "misspelled" of "multitude" the context fits a smaller number of those who were at hand, or those who happened to be there. Thus the "multitude" crying "Crucify him!" was probably only the 24 elders. 

Through out the rest of Thursday night Jesus would have been in the prison where Pilate was staying. The solders were treating Jesus horrible; they were probably using him in what they called the King's game, as the game was scratched in the floor by the prisoners. Then Friday morning Jesus was taken out and crucified on the Temple Passover (having already celebrated with his disciples on the Essene Passover). Rested Sabbath in the tomb, and at the feast of the first fruits, early Sunday Morning, he rose from the tomb.