When Was Jesus Crucified?

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On 8/29/2021 at 7:42 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

*  In the early days of the written Hebrew language, it was written without any specific symbols for the vowels. 

In Israel today, grade school children lose the vowel points in the third grade! Most literature I have seen has no vowel points

On 8/29/2021 at 7:42 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

*  Over a period of years (around 600 AD) Hebrew scholars began to introduce symbols into the Biblical manuscripts that represented the vowel sounds.  The scholars who did that are called Masoretes.  As a result, students of the Hebrew language, as used in the Biblical manuscripts study copies of the Biblical text that are written with symbols that represent consonants and other symbols that represent vowels.  It is common in spoken English to call those symbols for vowels "vowel points."

Whenever they were added, it gives detractors plenty of room to claim certain Scriptures were altered by having the wrong vowel points. One very common area for contention is the name of God. I figure if they are going to fight over it, let 'em keep using the wrong name!

Another problem is that some letters were translated into one romanized language with a certain sound. Another language uses a different sound with that letter and the name of God gets changed even more!

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4 minutes ago, GHansen said:

 if I wanted to listen to blm type jive, I'd go down to the corner liquor store

Think I will join you. Oh wait! I don't drink (anymore).

[stinsonmarri]

On 8/26/2021 at 10:12 PM, Gregory Matthews said:

The following website will give you some insight as to the ancient Hebrew writings. 

https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Septuagint-LXX-Hebrew-ancient-earliest-writing-Bible-scripts-alphabets-origin-Mosaic-heiroglyphic-Paleo-Aramaic-Masoretic-Jewish-Greek.htm

It lists four (4) different Hebrew scripts:

*  Hieroglyphic Hebrew

* Paleo-Hebrew

*  Aramaic Hebrew

*  Masoretic Hebrew. 

Pastor Matthew: I just do not understand! You again found a farfetch sight to state now that the Hebrew did Hieroglyphic and this is not correct. Also, I have provided not my words historian and archaeologists findings and not unfounded church websites. I just wanted to prove to you the truth concerning the Paleo Hebrew:

During the 2012 excavations at the southern wall of the Temple Mount, archaeologist Eilat Mazar discovered an inscription with the earliest alphabet letters ever found in Jerusalem. The inscription—carved on a storage jar—is written in the Proto-Canaanite script and dates to the 11th or 10th century B.C.E. In “The New Jerusalem Inscription—So What?” in the May/June 2014 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, author Alan Millard provides a paleographic assessment of the inscription and explains how these earliest alphabet letters from Jerusalem can illuminate the scope of literacy during the time of David and Solomon.

This Jerusalem Proto-Canaanite inscription precedes the development of the Paleo-Hebrew script, which was used by the Israelites until the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. When the Judean exiles returned from Babylon, they brought back the square Aramaic script, which ultimately replaced the Paleo-Hebrew script. Both the Paleo-Hebrew and the square Aramaic scripts, however, were used together for hundreds of years. BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY SOCIETY

My only concern it to provide to you truth. If you would look at the Bible commentary it will also provide you truth:

The Hebrew people were more intimately associated with the Hamitic races than with the descendants of Japheth. Cush, or Kush, is ancient Ethiopia, which was in classical times called Nubia. It was not Abyssinia, but included a part of Egypt and a part of the Sudan, extending from the first cataract of the Nile, at Aswan, as far south as Khartoum. In Egyptian inscriptions this land is called Kash, in Assyrian cuneiform texts, Kusu.

The Egyptians were descendants of Ham’s second son.

 Hieroglyphic and cuneiform inscriptions of the second millennium B.C. locate Canaan as the region bordering the Mediterranean on the west, Lebanon on the north, and Egypt on the south. It is, furthermore, a collective name for the indigenous population of Palestine, Phoenicia, and the Hittite city states of northern Syria. The Phoenicians and their colonists the Carthaginians of Northern Africa referred to themselves as Canaanites, on their coins, until Roman times (see v. 15). Nichol, F. D. (Ed.). (1978). The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary (Vol. 1, p. 274). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

Now, Dr. Nichol back in the 70's thought the following:

Though Canaan was the son of Ham, the Canaanitic language was Semitic—as the writing of the Canaanites clearly reveals. It seems that they accepted the Semitic language at a very early stage of their history. This was apparently true of the Egyptians also, for their language is strongly Semitic. In fact, the ancient Egyptians, whose Hamitic relationship no scholar will dispute, took over so many Semitic elements into their language that some scholars have classified ancient Egyptian as Semitic.

Nichol, F. D. (Ed.). (1978). The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary (Vol. 1, p. 274). Review and Herald Publishing Association.

But times have change through reason discovery.  Once everyone believed that the Hebrews did not live in Palestine. This was the propaganda published by the Arabs at the time. But digging expose the truth. They said that Nebuchadnezzar did not exist they found tablets and artifacts to prove that was error. We have to go by the Bible and history will prove that the Bible is truthful. That's all I have to say. I am so weary of you putting me down. I do not think I am better than anyone. I just do my research, study, pray a lot and tried to be trueful. Do I make mistake, yes I do but the Bible doesn't!

[GHansen]

2 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

In Israel today, grade school children lose the vowel points in the third grade! Most literature I have seen has no vowel points

Whenever they were added, it gives detractors plenty of room to claim certain Scriptures were altered by having the wrong vowel points. One very common area for contention is the name of God. I figure if they are going to fight over it, let 'em keep using the wrong name!

Another problem is that some letters were translated into one romanized language with a certain sound. Another language uses a different sound with that letter and the name of God gets changed even more!

When I was studying Hebrew with a former Hasid, we always used the term Ha Shem [the name] when the Tetragrammaton appeared in the text. One day we were reading together. I mistakenly articulated יְהוָה. He nearly fell off his chair. One of my best friends ever, Jacob Goldberg OBM.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri said in the quote below:

In truth you are correct.  You do not understand what I said.  I do not have either the time or emotional energy to explain it to you.

 

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Pastor Matthew: I just do not understand! 

[stinsonmarri]

10 hours ago, GHansen said:

Stinson, my false sister, I'm going to follow my counsel to Joemo and block you. if I wanted to listen to blm type jive, I'd go down to the corner liquor store

Name calling shows who you are. I hope you do that. I do not have to block you  because truth always stand. Falseness and unkindness run that's what they do. Bye!

[stinsonmarri]

11 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

In Israel today, grade school children lose the vowel points in the third grade! Most literature I have seen has no vowel points

Whenever they were added, it gives detractors plenty of room to claim certain Scriptures were altered by having the wrong vowel points. One very common area for contention is the name of God. I figure if they are going to fight over it, let 'em keep using the wrong name!

Another problem is that some letters were translated into one romanized language with a certain sound. Another language uses a different sound with that letter and the name of God gets changed even more!

Is that a fact! You are back being the person who loves racial undertone. Nothing kind, not fruitful always looking to downgrade. It doesn't work with me. Neither does it work with YAHWEH!

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2 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Is that a fact! You are back being the person who loves racial undertone. Nothing kind, not fruitful always looking to downgrade. It doesn't work with me. Neither does it work with YAHWEH!

I posted nothing less than a short comment regarding a language and its rules. I have no idea where you got that "racial overtones" stuff from or the nothing kind, nothing fruitful either. 

[stinsonmarri]

29 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

I posted nothing less than a short comment regarding a language and its rules. I have no idea where you got that "racial overtones" stuff from or the nothing kind, nothing fruitful either. 

 If you would like to talk agreeable even though we might not agree, I am here!

[Theophilus]

 

16 hours ago, GHansen said:

Stinson, my false sister, I'm going to follow my counsel to Joemo and block you. if I wanted to listen to blm type jive, I'd go down to the corner liquor store

 

This is probably the most racist thing I've ever seen here.  Blm type jive? Corner liquor store?

What a crappy thing to say !!!!  ?Racial stereotype, much?

I'm sure it is a thorn in her side that you are going to block her--Oh, the pain!  Poor Marri!!! Will she ever recover from the hurt and all of the sleepless nights you have caused her by your blocking?

Marri, the one thing about blocking someone is that the one blocking you can still read what you post when they are logged out. So Mr. Liquor store avoider cannot say he doesn't see what you post.

 

 

 

[Gustave]

8 hours ago, Theophilus said:

 

 

This is probably the most racist thing I've ever seen here.  Blm type jive? Corner liquor store?

What a crappy thing to say !!!!  ?Racial stereotype, much?

I'm sure it is a thorn in her side that you are going to block her--Oh, the pain!  Poor Marri!!! Will she ever recover from the hurt and all of the sleepless nights you have caused her by your blocking?

Marri, the one thing about blocking someone is that the one blocking you can still read what you post when they are logged out. So Mr. Liquor store avoider cannot say he doesn't see what you post.

 

 

 

I'd disagree with Ghansen in that I've identified the jive as being more out of the camp of Louis Farrakhan & Black Israelite. Some folks literally DRAG their own rain cloud with them wherever they go - that's all that's going on here. Certainly isn't "racism". 

Interestingly enough, that's how racism continues to live on, it's  misidentified continuously thereby not allowing consequences to be applied to actions. 

I find your statement to be racist actually.   

[Theophilus]

Oh, Gustave, I don't find my comment racist at all. I think you know that equating jive , corner liquor store, and BLM together is racist.

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On 9/1/2021 at 10:38 AM, stinsonmarri said:

Is that a fact! You are back being the person who loves racial undertone. Nothing kind, not fruitful always looking to downgrade. It doesn't work with me. Neither does it work with YAHWEH!

On 9/1/2021 at 1:00 PM, B/W Photodude said:

I posted nothing less than a short comment regarding a language and its rules. I have no idea where you got that "racial overtones" stuff from or the nothing kind, nothing fruitful either. 

On 9/1/2021 at 1:34 PM, stinsonmarri said:

 If you would like to talk agreeable even though we might not agree, I am here!

As previously noted, I posted regarding some issues of a language and you show up accusing one of having racial undertones and having nothing kind or fruitful to say. And then you suggest that if I want to talk agreeable you will be there. Coming on accusing someone of something and then pretending to be this moral high road person is nauseating. It also suggests that your earlier apologies for the racist related remarks to be disingenuous. This is the kind of behavior that makes Adventistan an increasingly unpleasant place to be. But, ... I guess it works for you.

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/1/2021 at 1:00 PM, B/W Photodude said:

I posted nothing less than a short comment regarding a language and its rules. I have no idea where you got that "racial overtones" stuff from or the nothing kind, nothing fruitful either. 

Then I will apologize to you. 

Blessings and Happy Sabbath!

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/2/2021 at 12:12 AM, Gustave said:

I'd disagree with Ghansen in that I've identified the jive as being more out of the camp of Louis Farrakhan & Black Israelite. Some folks literally DRAG their own rain cloud with them wherever they go - that's all that's going on here. Certainly isn't "racism". 

Interestingly enough, that's how racism continues to live on, it's  misidentified continuously thereby not allowing consequences to be applied to actions. 

I find your statement to be racist actually.   

You know the tread was asking:  When Was YAHSHUA Crucified? The 23 hundred day prophecy pointed clearly to 31 AD. THE SAVIOR took the passover meal on the correct evening of the 15th of Nisan, The beginning of the Holy Convocation of Unleavened Bread. YAHSHUA got up and washed the disciples feet. HE then instituted HIS Supper, that was a Thursday night. Evening comes before the morning. Between 3 am and 5 am Judas betrayed YAHSHUA. HE went during that time from Annas to Caiaphas. This is where HE told them, they would see HIM coming in the clouds of GLORY with all of HIS angels. Before the rooster could crow again, Peter denied HIM three times! Early Thursday morning, they had the Sanhedrin trial but did not call those who followed YAHSHUA. They found HIM guilty took HIM to Pilate, they were all in the judgment hall at that time. Pilate heard them say HE was a Galilean and sent him to Herod. Herod was there for the weekly celebration of Unleavened Bread. This was his palace in Jerusalem and the places were not close by! YAHSHUA had been hours with Pilate and now hours with Herod. HE would not answer Herod's questions, he had his guard to mock HIM and they did and covered HIM with a purple robe!

HE then was return to Pilate this time it was midnight Friday. They woke Pilate up and the elders and Pharisees had not eaten the passover meal. With their strange traditions of taken at evening and also being around the Gentiles they needed to clean themselves. They felt that Pilate was unclean and to purified themselves, they could not eat the passover during this time. Now, they refuse to go into the judgment hall. So, Pilate was with YAHSHUA alone and HE spoke letting Pilate know all what's was happening to HIM, HE allowed it to happen. HIS Kingdom was not of this world. Pilate went back out to the elders and Pharisees and told again he found not fault in HIM. Pilate also received a letter from his wife. She told him not to have anything to do with YAHSHUA. She had an awful dream concerning HIM. Pilate tried to bargain with the elders and Pharisees with releasing YAHSHUA, they said to release Barnabas, but to crucified YAHSHUA. This all took place from midnight to Friday morning. They put HIM on the tree about 9 am and by 3 am HE died. They had to take HIS BODY down and to secure HIM a burial place. They allowed Josephus Tomb to be used this again took time. They, the men, quickly anointed HIS BODY with certain types of spices to keep HIM, they thought from decaying. The special spices the ladies were getting together, but the Sabbath came. They planned to do do early Sunday, while dark before decaying set in with the Sun coming up!

This is what we are suppose to be dealing with. I left Scriptures for all to read. Now, we also was dealing with the language. It appears, it so hard to accept the fact that the children of Ham language was the lingua franca. You want to believe scholars who refuse to accept the truth. The Phoenicians was the traders and seamen, not the Hebrews. Nimrod, the Bible said built Babylon and the Sumerians return back to the city. Hammurabi was an Amorite King over Babylon, these people came from Ham. The SDA Map shows the actual dwelling of Ham's children, according to the Bible. You know what's so unreal from the 1700 to the 1960's the Jews were hated by the Christians along with the Blacks; especially in the South and Southwest. They accused the Jews of killing YAHSHUA! They cannot stand the ACLU who are Liberal Jews to this day. They reason starting helping the Jews after the Holocaust. It took then a few more centuries to amazingly start calling them the choosing people. Now, I wonder why? That awful website is not the only one that some believe the racist propaganda, which are on other sites.

Finally, I see YAHSHUA telling us this is what I told you is going to happen in the last days. Here the worse Hurricane hit more places then Katrina! Louisiana and part of Mississippi is devastated, Philadelphia, New Jersey had the largest tornado I've seen and tore the places there to shreds. Floods also in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut. Fires, like EGW said, that will not go out in California, Oregon, Washington and now Nevada! Why are we fighting over the color of skin, why? What is wrong with us? Why so much hate over what? People and children are dying over Covid, yes also down near the Mexico and USA border. Calamity is happening everywhere! YAHSHUA is getting ready to come! I want to get my house in order don't you? If you all think I been rude, unkind or whatever then right now tonight I am begging for forgiveness! I have had enough! My soul is too important to continue the way we all, including me, is going. It was never my intention to say anything hurtfully about anyone on this forum. I going to stand for YAHSHUA NO MATTER WHAT! But all of this negativeness, I pray to stop! Let's us search the Scriptures together to see if they are so. I leave you all with my prayers and hope that all make it in the kingdom.

Happy Sabbath!

[Gustave]

Those were kind words Stinson, I appreciate that. 

Calamity seems to be having a hay day for sure. I doubt its worse now than it has historically been for some nations / areas. Remember, nations rise and fall and each group of people is justified in believing they are the final generation before the coming of the Lord.  Eventually it will happen and the teaching I draw out of Scripture is that when Christ comes He wants to find his followers WORKING, not discussing when He might show up. 

 

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Many of the arguments in this and many other threads here bring to mind this quote I came across recently:

It is said that Von Ranke, one of the greatest historians, has an object lesson in this, which made him very careful in his writing. He was absent from home for a few days, and during his absence an accident occurred, by which several persons were injured. On his return he tried to ascertain the facts in the case, but none of his informants, all of whom saw the affair, agreed in their accounts of it. One had one story, and another had another. Of course all could not be correct, and it was quite likely that all were more or less wrong. Then the historian said, "If I cannot get the exact facts about a thing that happened in my own neighbourhood within a few days past, when I can talk with the eyewitnesses, how can I be sure of what happened hundreds of years ago?" We do not need to go abroad for an experience in this respect; who has not had many similar experiences in trying to learn the details of any affair?

So, everyone probably has their pet theories and the armchair historians work overtime trying to come up with a reasonable story for what they cannot prove and the arguments go on into the night. I note this as I read through a chrono study bible with copius notes from Biblical historians. Many seem quite plausible, but many others miss by a country mile. So, I tend to just go with the Biblical record. If not spelled out in the Biblical record, perhaps in the greater cosmic scheme of things, it doesn't really matter!

[stinsonmarri]

On 9/7/2021 at 6:30 PM, B/W Photodude said:

Many seem quite plausible, but many others miss by a country mile. So, I tend to just go with the Biblical record. If not spelled out in the Biblical record, perhaps in the greater cosmic scheme of things, it doesn't really matter!

It does matter YAHWEH, YAHSHUA, THE HOLY SPIRIT! Satan does not want us to come together. He has added things and subtracted things from the Bible. Your soul to me is worth it. I truly want to be save. My soul is worth it, Joe, Pastor Matthew,  Phkrause, Theophilus, GHansen, Gustave and all on this forum. So, let us all pray for one another to make it into the Kingdom. I hope you will believe that Photodue!

Blessings to all and Happy Sabbath!

[JoeMo]

There is a difference between unity and uniformity.  We can all be united in our belief that sometime around 2,000 years ago, the Son of God (God Himself), Yeshua Meshiach, suffered and died to pay the COMPLETE penalty for the past, present, and future sins of every person on the planet who would believe and accept His atoning sacrifice.  THat belief is a necessary condition for salvation.

But do we have to be uniform in that we ALL must believe that Jesus was crucified in 30 AD, 31 AD, 32, AD, or 33 AD? Do we all have to believe that He died on a Friday? Or a Wednesday?  Is believing that Yeshua entered the Most Holy Place in October of 1844 or that the papacy is the Beast necessary for salvation? Or is he the AntiChrist? Is it necessary to believe that a National Sunday Law will bring about the End of Time? I think not.

I had a long discussion with a Messianic Jewish rabbi who told me that almost anything we believe about future prophetic events is speculation; and that we won't know how these prophecies will unfold until they start unfolding.

 

 

[stinsonmarri]

Happy Sabbath to everyone. Believing in truth is important to salvation. We married because we believe our mate will be faithful to  love us. We believe that the food we eat or buy will not kill us. We believe in many things on this earth. However, things on earth have let us down. The Bible was given to us not only to believe but to change and live accordingly to its word.

Lucifer at one time, even believed in truth, but he allowed self to get in the way. This is problem we have, we see truth but, we to want to accept and please others as well as our self. The Book of Daniel gave the time of YAHSHUA'S death and the year which points to 31 AD. But, many reject the truth to either please self or others. The Bible says truth is narrow and straight, it is not broad. 

THE SON of THE MOST HIGH came in THE FATHER'S NAME! YAH/EL was found all over in the languages of Ugaritic, Ebla and  Palestine. "SHUA,"  means salvation and HE spoke in the New Testament this fact of truth. It is us to accept the simple truth!

We, must search to know that Nimrod started religions thru Satan to stop the people of the earth in worshiping THE MOST HIGH! He did not accomplish this goal. Abraham found that the Canaanites knew YAHWEH and they were worshiping HIM at one time. However, they begin to leave the truth. They begin to worship Baal, still many were still faithful to YAHWEH. Artifacts and ancient Scripts prove this to be true. Now, YAHWEH turned to Jacob who the Bible showed that he actually struggle with HIS SON to overcome what he once was in the past. He was given a new name, IsraEL, meaning one who struggle with EL and overcame. IsraEl main mission was to bring all people back to HIS House of Prayer and Worship. Over the centuries many struggle but remain faithful, but they too lost their way.

YAHSHUA came to show that HE IS THE TRUTH, THE LIGHT and THE WAY! The Old Testament in every way prove that YAH-SHUA, IS THE SON of ELOHE and HE IS ONE of THE ELOHIYM. Ex 3:13-15 A group that started in Babylon had grown in strength who were once part of the Scribes for YAHWEH. They felt that they knew the Law more than THE CREATOR! They rejected HIM and along with the fallen priest put HIM to death, trying to say the Gentiles did it! They just used the Gentiles as THE MESSIAH Said they would do. Paul was one of these elder's of the law! He was led to persecute, those who believed and call themselves, THE Way! YAHSHUA stopped him and enlisted Paul for HIS Work. Paul became the one who lead Japheth children known as the Gentiles to HIM!

Israel had changed losing their way, not realizing that the Temple was not needed anymore. They was believing that animals could take away sin and they couldn't. That's why Paul wrote a book specially for the Hebrew's people, pointing from the beginning their unbelief who THE SON IS! The Temple was destroyed , so now it was easy for the Scribes/elders to return and to take over and to introduce their false religion. Rabbinical Judaism and the people of Israel was all over the world and mix with both Ham and Japheth children. The latter even more so after the death of YAHSHUA. No the truth is THE "MASHIACH," which mean THE ANOINTED  PROPHET, PRIEST and KING!

Satan thinks he has won, that we must believe in various concepts and we will still be save! This will never happen, it didn't for him, so what make us think it will happen to us. Lies and Truth cannot mix and they never will. Either you believe the Bible or you don't! It is not my intention to be rude to anyone! However, again, I must provide the truth and you have a right to make your choice!

Happy Sabbath to all on this forum with blessings! Pray for me please, as I pray for you all!

[E Wilson]

On 8/23/2021 at 12:08 PM, stinsonmarri said:

Joe: I do not know who you are anymore. Did you look at the website? If you did you would see what they said and not me. If you would take the time and read Gen 5: 2-5 instead of accusing me of such a ridiculous statement. I stand by that the website is prejudice and give you what they said and not anything I have said. So, kindly my suggestion to you is to read the website! Stop judging before you read the site.

You once were my friend and we never in the past said anything racial and you know it. After Trump then all the racial overtone came out! You have changed from the person I used to know and that is sad to me. I lost my friend!?

Dear sister Marri,
    I believe that in your heart, your intentions are good. I believe that you honestly desire to help . . . but, I would encourage you to seek the benefit (good) of others, rather than to "defend" yourself.

    The questions that have been raised here on this post, are ones that many 7th day Adventist, as well as brothers and sister in Christ Jesus, who are not yet of our faith, have wanted to ask. So it will be the greatest blessing to seek to keep our focus on the question of the crucifixion and death of our Lord (Adoni - Sovereign King) and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    Even among Adventist theologians, these question have surfaced again and again for many years . . . So rather than allowing the Devil to divide us, and cause us to see one another as enemies, we need to seek the Truth, only as it may be found in JESUS (Yehushua, Yahshua, Yehshua).  Very soon, we as 7th day Sabbath-keepers shall have the whole world turn against us . . . Let us not allow Satan (that old serpent) to turns against one another now.

May our Saviour and Mighty God bless you today,
and keep you strong in faith . . . and the unfailing power of His Life-giving Word !
your friend and brother in Him,
Eric Wilson

[stinsonmarri]

16 hours ago, E Wilson said:

Dear sister Marri,
    I believe that in your heart, your intentions are good. I believe that you honestly desire to help . . . but, I would encourage you to seek the benefit (good) of others, rather than to "defend" yourself.

    The questions that have been raised here on this post, are ones that many 7th day Adventist, as well as brothers and sister in Christ Jesus, who are not yet of our faith, have wanted to ask. So it will be the greatest blessing to seek to keep our focus on the question of the crucifixion and death of our Lord (Adoni - Sovereign King) and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    Even among Adventist theologians, these question have surfaced again and again for many years . . . So rather than allowing the Devil to divide us, and cause us to see one another as enemies, we need to seek the Truth, only as it may be found in JESUS (Yehushua, Yahshua, Yehshua).  Very soon, we as 7th day Sabbath-keepers shall have the whole world turn against us . . . Let us not allow Satan (that old serpent) to turns against one another now.

May our Saviour and Mighty God bless you today,
and keep you strong in faith . . . and the unfailing power of His Life-giving Word !
your friend and brother in Him,
Eric Wilson

Dear Brother Wilson: I feel that you are sincere as well. But all of the pioneers and also my mother were not originally Adventist. I was a little girl when my mother search for a church who keeps the true Sabbath. She read the Commandments and the Sabbath was in it. She was a Missionary Baptist and she sought out her pastor and asked him. He told her it was the Jewish Dispensation. She refuse to accept that and she had Bible studies from various churches until she found the SDA church.

We have Evangelist Tent meetings and people from other faith come to hear the truth. Just because people of other faith come here, we should never bend the truth. We should obey ELOHIYM rather than people. YAHSHUA Created us and we must stand up for principles period!

Now, we as Adventist have made errors as well. However, we have a hard time accepting our mistakes. We feel we are superior with our views than other churches and that is wrong. Our truth should be base on the Bible and not on a person and that has been our downfall. We have claim EGW as a prophet and said she was not and stated emphatically that YAHSHUA Said she would be a messenger! That is exactly what Joel and Acts states. John was the last prophet. But we refuse to accept this fact. EGW saw visions that were already given in the Bible by the prophets. We do not speak a lot about Hiram Edison who had the most important vision that came from Daniel's 2300 hundred day prophecy! It was the turning point to start our Advent Movement. Miller could not accept the Judgment and it was in Revelation. Adventist had churches but they were still keeping Sunday, until Rachel Oakes! She was a 7th Day Baptist.

You mention: "Very soon, we as 7th day Sabbath-keepers shall have the whole world turn against us." That my brother is not in the Bible the way we believe. That started with Uriah Smith's book Daniel and Revelation. We have stated that the Sabbath vs Sunday will be a last day issue. We claim it is the mark of the beast! It is not nor does the Bible tell us that that a day is a mark. A mark is a drawing or tattoo of some type on the body. Man cannot not make a day or anything holy. We do not have the power and neither does Satan! Now, EGW was a messenger and she stated that if we find error, to let it go. We, she urge should not hold to it! She stated very clear that only THE ALMIGHTY ONES ARE INFALLIBLE not us at all!

We do not read that the Bible said the remnant/144,000 will have power. We preaching about the SPIRIT of Elijah, which is THE HOLY SPIRIT/LOUD CRY. The LATTER RAIN also is THE HOLY SPIRIT and it will be poured out! The remnant/144,000 will the teachers of Righteousness found in Dan Chapter 12. We will not be thrown in prison, we will have what Moses had, power this time to call down a comet to hit 1/3 of the earth, a mountainous meteor to hit 1/3 of the sea, more meteors to hit the drinking waters also to hit the sun and the moon. For the first time these luminaries will move out of there original place. The Papacy will have taken Jerusalem that has been Babylon for many years now! Read Chapter 11, 17, 18 Oh, according to the Bible the papacy rides the beast but is not the beast! The beast do not show up until after the Time of Trouble. Read Rev Chapter 11 Others will not agree and they have that right but I have ask them to show me in the Scriptures. No one has at this present time. I provide not my word but the Scriptures for everyone to read for themselves!

Finally, we must preach or teach the Gospel where ever we are. We believe in liberty, at lease we use to! We should never force our beliefs on others. However, many tried to force their beliefs through the government on others. All should make a choice whom they will serve. So, we should stand firmly and show them and then allow THE HOLY SPIRIT to lead all to accept the truth!

Blessings!