Musing from an adventist about adventists....

[Taylor]

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

[Neil D]

I talk to people all the time who don't think there will be consequences to sinning. If you witness for Christ on the street or from door to door, or in the parks, etc., you often talk to people who don't believe they will be held accountable for their sins. Many people think God is too kind to hold them responsible for sinning. Others don't believe the Bible means what it says when it teaches that Satan and his followers will be destroyed.

[Taylor]

It's just from my priviledged viewpoint of seeing so many people baptized..the joy on their faces...when they understood God's message for this end time...through the reality of his deep love for us...is just an incredible thing to see! And yes I consider it a priviledge simply because there is NO greater joy than to see those beaming faces coming out of the water of baptism. I can only imagine what the angels will feel like when we all finally get home. If there were "night" in heaven...and "sleep" I am sure the angels couldn't sleep a wink from the momenty they are told when Jesus is coming, till the moment they can hug each one of us and welcome us home.

[Neil D]

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

The problem, Taylor, is that we emphasis not love, grace, forgiveness, and mercy. We emphasis love and law. We know the beauty of the message, but we don't know how to present it to a world that will accept it whole heartedly....and yet they have hear glimpses of it...some they have rejected due to the plainess of the message, some just don't make sense...

The honest truth is that our distinctive doctrine is pretty boring for those who are not grounded in our doctrines. It has made us pretty uncreative, boring our own selves. Jesus says that if the truth will set us free, then how come we are still grounded by chains of dreariness in presenting this beautify doctrine? I submit that an order in the presenting of the gospel is necessary. It is the radio's prerogative to present forgiveness, mercy, and grace and love to a non-adventist world.

[Woody]

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

Typically .... I have not noticed Adventists in media afraid to share our doctrines. Which ones did you have in mind?

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

What I am asking you is how would you communicate those same messages to non-SDA?

KTSY is a SDA contemporary Christian music station. You can listen at this address-

http://208.106.212.19/listen/player.asp?station=ktsy-fm&

KTSY is a living SDA radio station that has united the Christian community with the gospel thru contemporary Christian music. If you are aware of KLUV, you might have an idea what KTSY is able to do. No politics, eco friendly, family orientated, the "good news that God truely does love YOU", broadcasted out to community.

What it does NOT broadcast-

the seven-day is the Sabbath,

2300 day prophecy

Revelation seminars

EGW is God's messenger for the last days

So, John, does that disturb you?

No.

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24/7/365 it broadcasts something that the Treasure Valley needs to hear....God loves you....No matter what you have done, God has forgiven you. Truely forgiven you.

God's love is unconditional. God showed in the death of Christ that He is not angry at us and that He wants us to come to Him for forgiveness in order to be put in right relationship with Him.

In Christ, God has forgiven the whole world. But unless a person responds positively to the gospel message, and repents, there is no forgiveness or salvation. In other words, if I hear the gospel, but disbelieve it and continue my sinful ways, there is no forgiveness. God justifies and forgives only when we personally accept God's gift, repent of our sins and turn in faith to Jesus Christ, placing all of our confidence in Him. All of the preaching of Peter and Paul in the book of Acts shows this.

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Then the question is reverberating- What are you going to do now that you are forgiven?

Great question. That is what Paul asked in Romans 6: 1, 15.

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Individual miracles happen over there in that large valley. Miracles that don't make it to the news, but make it to the underground networks, the homeschool networks

Of course. The news outlets are seldom interested in those kinds of stories. But I am glad this radio station you speak of is telling about them. Maybe you could share some of those with us here.

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...Churches are changing...even Adventist churches are being forced to change or they become more pharisical.....KTSY is continueingly being asked "Where is a good church to go to?"....They can not send people to the Adventist church because the Adventist church is too much into law....

Do these people you're talking about know about the Sabbath?

It depends on what you mean by "too much into law." Some people think that any mention of God's law is too much.

In your opinion, is Steps To Christ "too much into law"? I believe that book shows the true and right relationship between the law and the gospel. I'm sure you're familiar with it. What do you think of it? Do you ever give it to people to read?

God raised up the SDA church for the purpose of lifting up God's downtrodden law. How do we lift it up? What does that mean? How does the radio station do it, if at all?

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And that is the way this church is that I am at, John....The board, when I asked what they want, are really not sure, except to say that 'our message needs to get out into the community".....Tell me, John....can a SDA church understand forgiveness?

Of course. Don't you think so? The church I know does.

Originally Posted By: John317

John 3: 16 is central but people can misunderstand what it means to say that God loves them. Have you ever talked to people who thought it means they can do whatever they want without consequences? It depends on the idea they have about "love." Some picture in their minds eye a grandfatherly figure who will never call them into judgment or destroy the wicked.

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Classic...YOu don't understand the human condition either.....When was the last time you listened to a therapist? OVERWHELMINGLY, the need for forgiveness is paramount in a human's life. While you are worried about how God is going to be percieved, you allow someone to perish in his guilt. You can not teach about God when you are overwhelmed with guilt.

I've worked many years as a counselor with juvenile delinquents along with a team of therapists. As a gay person struggling with my homosexuality, I went to several therapists and psychologists.

I've also worked before with pastors and evangelists in people's homes, praying with them, presenting the gospel, and have always had good responses.

I know about the need for forgiveness. You are right, no question about it.

It depends on each individual case. Some people already are overwhelmed with guilt. Others don't think they are guilty at all. I sometimes talk to people who say they are not a sinner.

That is also the case in the NT. Jesus dealt differently with those who believed they were not a sinner than with those realized they were.

Perhaps you misunderstood me.

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NEIL D-- John, you quote the bible all the time.

How can you be soooooooooooo blind to this, John????

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JOHN3:17-- Some people forget the phrase, "whosoever believes in Him." Others forget the part about "perishing" if we don't believe in Him.

So while John 3: 16 is a central text, it needs to be seen in the context of the plan of salvation.

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NEIL D--Is God more interested in how He is percieved or worried about how people are perishing under guilt? Jesus had some great thoughts about ministering to peoples guilt alll the while not telling them about what God was like....the ministry was in forgiveness, mercy ....people got the glimpse of Who God truely is....

How people view God is very much related to forgiveness and love, wouldn't you agree? If we view Him as loving, thoughtful, kind and forgiving, we are more likely to copy Him and be the same towards others. At the same time, we will experience His forgiveness in our own lives. That is hard to do if we have the wrong idea of God, see Him as unforgiving, harsh, and severe. We will be kind to people even when they are not kind to us, because that is how God is.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: Taylor

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

Typically .... I have not noticed Adventists in media afraid to share our doctrines. Which ones did you have in mind?

Neil D. gave this one. Sounds like they may not share many our doctrines, for whatever reason--

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KTSY is a SDA contemporary Christian music station. You can listen at this address-

http://208.106.212.19/listen/player.asp?station=ktsy-fm&

KTSY is a living SDA radio station that has united the Christian community with the gospel thru contemporary Christian music. If you are aware of KLUV, you might have an idea what KTSY is able to do. No politics, eco friendly, family orientated, the "good news that God truely does love YOU", broadcasted out to community.

What it does NOT broadcast-

the seven-day is the Sabbath,

2300 day prophecy

Revelation seminars

EGW is God's messenger for the last days

[John317]

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

I agree completely.

[John317]

Originally Posted By: John317

I talk to people all the time who don't think there will be consequences to sinning. If you witness for Christ on the street or from door to door, or in the parks, etc., you often talk to people who don't believe they will be held accountable for their sins. Many people think God is too kind to hold them responsible for sinning. Others don't believe the Bible means what it says when it teaches that Satan and his followers will be destroyed.

I suspect that you are not hearing them, John...I listen to people on the street a lot. I hear them...and listen to them. It's hard to know what to say in the hope of changing thier thinking.

...They know there are consequences....

Do all the people you listen to on the street cause you to believe they all know that there is a judgment and they will have to answer for their sins?

There are lots people who don't believe there are consequences in this world for what they do, let alone in the next world. Part of my job at work is teaching young people this lesson. There are many who don't understand there are consequences. That is one reason a lot of people get into trouble, because they think they can get away with terrible crimes. Some do get away with them, as far as society is concerned, but they will have to face God's judgment eventually. Surely you have talked to people who don't believe in a judgment.

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... but this thread is not about talking to people on the street...it is about a radio ministry and the type of broadcasting that needs to go out to the people....

If you talk to enough people on the streets of American cities, you can get a pretty good idea of what those people are thinking and how they think. All of that is necessary for knowing what needs to go out to the people over the radio waves and on TV broadcasting.

Originally Posted By: John317

It is not taking away the beauty of John 3: 16 to talk about consequences to rejecting Christ. The verse itself says that the only way to salvation is by putting one's faith in Christ. Otherwise, apart from Christ, people perish. That is part of the Bible's message. But we know that God's enemy would like people not to consider this.

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I would submit that it would be. That is why KTSY does not talk about consequences...but allows the music to talk about grace, mercy, and forgiveness.

That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?

There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.

Maybe KTSY already does that, but if they do, why wouldn't they ever have anything on the Sabbath, the Pre-Advent Judgment, etc.?

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NEIL D-- even your EGW quote talks much more about grace and mercy and forgiveness....

Ellen White wrote:

Yes, of course. But my point is that John 3: 16 has both the grace of God and the consequences of rejection of God's grace.

[John317]

There is an order of things though I feel. And the obey or die ... is not the first step.

Yes, you're right.

I think we should follow the examples of Christ and the apostles. They never started out with "obey or die."

Also the book Steps To Christ is a good example of how to present the gospel.

[fccool]

I actually wrote an article on the subject a while ago. I'll abstain from flooding the post by pasting the entire article... but here are a couple of paragraphs....

The challenge of the evangelism today is not as much getting the message out there, but conveying the message in a way that gives it a fair chance to be heard and understood. We live in an increasingly busy world that is full of distractions and misconceptions. If our evangelism efforts to be effective, then essentially we have to not only concentrate on our message, but also modes of presenting it.

This is the reason why Jesus spoke and taught using parables. People understood the message of the gospel in context of their culture as Jesus was presenting it using by means of an interesting and culturally relevant story. Thus the mode was less of a confrontation and criticism, but of education and mindset change.

If we accept Christianity as our way of life, we have to be able to share it in context of the current culture, yet without conforming or adulterating the message. People don’t understand, because the concept is foreign to their culturally learned beliefs and contexts, which reside in the realm of fallen and thus spiritually dead world. Can a spiritually dead man understand the “meat” of the deeper spiritual things without first being fed the “milk” of Christ, or … even concept of existence of God?

Thus, instead of using the culture as a vehicle for the message, it cripples it. Instead of using the culture as Jesus did to preach to the masses of unbelievers, the church in its evangelistic efforts often ends up preaching to the choir, and often because the message is tailored and thus fit for the choir. Unfortunately this is the case for the most things that carry the label “Christian”, be it a Christian movie, Christian TV station, Christian radio, or a Christian book. I’m not trying to discard the need of such nourishment for existing believers. Yet many of these things that begin with mass evangelism in mind find their way in a place where the evangelism is needed the least – existing body of believers.

We need to understand and study culture. If we do, we may find that culture is not always “evil” or “good”, and that it may be a different way of doing the same things. God is a God of variety as He demonstrated through His creation, yet somehow we find ourselves canonizing our cultural preferences while criticizing those of others. We have to realize that cultural preferences are just that – cultural preferences. I’m not talking about cannibalism or sexuality. I’m talking about the gray issues. Knives could be used to prepare a meal, or to hurt and kill people.

Secondly, we have to stop separating the world into “spiritual” and “non-spiritual”. You know – “spiritual” things being the church activities, Christian books and music, while non-spiritual being everything else. We need to recognize that everything that we do is “spiritual” because it either draws us closer to, or further away from our Creator. What would you consider to be “non-spiritual” in a world created by the spiritual God, and that is being led astray by fallen spiritual beings? There’s absolutely nothing “non-spiritual” about it. God did not leave the gory details out of the Bible. Some Biblical events are described in a violent and at times even pornographic way. We have to face the reality, and be honest about it, yet with understanding that this is not the way things should be. Then we would be able to understand, and relate to people in an honest and caring way.

You see, the problem with this world is not all the violence, all the wars, all the pornography, all the lying and stealing and etc. The problem is misplaced love. People are being deceived into loving the wrong things. They are deceived to love money from the moment they can know what it is. They are deceived to love the Hollywood and Sports celebrities (or people that we celebrate) as examples of mainstream behavior. They are deceived to love alcohol and pornography as a way to relief the stress they are dealing with.

Unfortunatly, today Christianity is on a fast track to be classified as an "alternative" lifestyle. We need to show the world that it is a better alternative.

[Neil D]

Do all the people you listen to on the street cause you to believe they all know that there is a judgment and they will have to answer for their sins?

There are lots people who don't believe there are consequences in this world for what they do, let alone in the next world. Part of my job at work is teaching young people this lesson. There are many who don't understand there are consequences. That is one reason a lot of people get into trouble, because they think they can get away with terrible crimes. Some do get away with them, as far as society is concerned, but they will have to face God's judgment eventually. Surely you have talked to people who don't believe in a judgment.

[Nightingale]

There are many churches who teach the John 3:16 message. We should be teaching that also, but we are especially to teach the 3 Angels Messages which are the special messages for this time.

Unfortunately there are many members of the SDA church who do not recognize this either.

There are thousands of new members who walk into SDA churches on a weekly basis who are watching 3ABN. Talk to someone from the Paradise SDA church in Las Vegas, Nv. I am a member of a small

church in the country, but we have several members who began attending first because they came to a Doug Bachelor meeting thinking he would be there in person. There is room for variety in programing and we shouldn't act as though Hope and 3ABN are not working together for the same result.

It looks like there are many members in our NAD church who really dont realize how many people are out there that are searching for a church who really studies the Bible deeply and teaches the special truth for this time. We need to meet all kinds of needs and reach all kinds of people, but we shouldn't leave them there.

I agree with you John. Gods love is basic. Of course it needs to be taught, but the meaning of the text is deeper than some people think. Accepting Gods love certainly means more than a simple agreement with this truth. If it doesnt make a change in our lives it means very little. I know many who call themselves Christian but they dont really beleive God makes it possible for them to change or even that God plans for them to. What is the purpose for God to give the Holy Spirit if we are not responsible for the power He gives?

[Taylor]

Originally Posted By: Taylor

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

Typically .... I have not noticed Adventists in media afraid to share our doctrines. Which ones did you have in mind?

I am talking in generalities...not aimed at any one person. I think at at times us as SDA are afraid to share becuase since we see it as "boring" then thy share it with others. I don't think the SDA doctrines are "boring" they just haven't been presented in the way they should be..at least not always.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted By: Taylor

Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.

The problem, Taylor, is that we emphasis not love, grace, forgiveness, and mercy. We emphasis love and law. We know the beauty of the message, but we don't know how to present it to a world that will accept it whole heartedly....and yet they have hear glimpses of it...some they have rejected due to the plainess of the message, some just don't make sense...

The honest truth is that our distinctive doctrine is pretty boring for those who are not grounded in our doctrines. It has made us pretty uncreative, boring our own selves. Jesus says that if the truth will set us free, then how come we are still grounded by chains of dreariness in presenting this beautify doctrine? I submit that an order in the presenting of the gospel is necessary. It is the radio's prerogative to present forgiveness, mercy, and grace and love to a non-adventist world.

I agree we must present the gospel and also figure out how to present forgiveness, mercy, grace, and love through our doctrines.

However, it is also true that differnt mediums can have different purposes. A doctor's main purpose is to care for the body while a pastor's main purpose it to case for the "soul". So it is ok to focuse on one thing. However we just need to make sure that "specialists" on all sides are "brought in" so the "entire person" listening can find healing for all areas of their lives.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: John317

Do all the people you listen to on the street cause you to believe they all know that there is a judgment and they will have to answer for their sins?

There are lots people who don't believe there are consequences in this world for what they do, let alone in the next world. Part of my job at work is teaching young people this lesson. There are many who don't understand there are consequences. That is one reason a lot of people get into trouble, because they think they can get away with terrible crimes. Some do get away with them, as far as society is concerned, but they will have to face God's judgment eventually. Surely you have talked to people who don't believe in a judgment.

I will not argue that there are a few that don't believe in judgement, but the majority do. A radio station is only a tool to be used by the HS to reach an individual to turn to God. A radio station must appeal to the masses for it to be heard. It is when the masses start to actually listen, and a positive message must be repeated a lot...often...especially when dealing with humans who do not hear....

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If you talk to enough people on the streets of American cities, you can get a pretty good idea of what those people are thinking and how they think. All of that is necessary for knowing what needs to go out to the people over the radio waves and on TV broadcasting.

Won't argue that....

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I would submit that it would be. That is why KTSY does not talk about consequences...but allows the music to talk about grace, mercy, and forgiveness.

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That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?

Oooh, so you want KTSY to convict the people of thier sins....Sorry, that's a job of the HS and I prefer to stay out of that area...Too many people have upsurped the HS and really messed things up.

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There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.

Here is where you and I differ... Radio is only a tool, it plants the seed. It allows the Holy Spirit to work with the human or other humans...We get into all sorts of arguements over what humans try to do and we all know that it never goes over well when humans try to convict one of sin...No, Radio is only to plant seeds....Let the HS convict..then the person will work to make himself approved of God.

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Maybe KTSY already does that, but if they do, why wouldn't they ever have anything on the Sabbath, the Pre-Advent Judgment, etc.?

Oh, they may drop hints from time to time....after all, thier employees are SDA and carefully selected ones....

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Yes, of course. But my point is that John 3: 16 has both the grace of God and the consequences of rejection of God's grace.

Maybe you need to hear what you should do, and maybe you are dealing with that portion of society that is concentrated within a local physcial location which makes a certain type of individual present....but the majority of people already know that there are consequences...A Christian radio station upholds family values, good stewardship, personal integrety all the while promoting that God loves and forgives, and gives mercy and has compassion toward each individual will never be decisive with bible studies that cause one to go one way or another....Let the HS guide the individual and trust that the HS knows what He is doing

[John317]

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That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?

Oooh, so you want KTSY to convict the people of thier sins....Sorry, that's a job of the HS and I prefer to stay out of that area...Too many people have upsurped the HS and really messed things up.

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There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.

Here is where you and I differ... Radio is only a tool, it plants the seed. It allows the Holy Spirit to work with the human or other humans...We get into all sorts of arguements over what humans try to do and we all know that it never goes over well when humans try to convict one of sin...No, Radio is only to plant seeds....Let the HS convict..then the person will work to make himself approved of God.

The convicting of sin would be done all along, I would think. Anytime you are pointing people to a perfect Savior, and if they are being drawn, people are aware of their sinfulness and want to be right with Him.

But what I had in mind at this point-- after people know they are forgiven--is to teach further Bible truths, such as, How to Understand the Bible, Jesus in Bible Prophecy, Daniel 2, the Second Coming, the Signs of the Last Days, What the Bible says Heaven will be like, the nature of man in death, the two Covenants, the Judgment happening now in heaven, etc.

These could be in the form of discussions between two or three people, perhaps in the form of a radio drama, or they could be selected sermons.

[John317]

I actually wrote an article on the subject a while ago. I'll abstain from flooding the post by pasting the entire article... but here are a couple of paragraphs....

All good. I would be interested in seeing how this translates into communicating the Three Angels Messages.

[fccool]

The 3 angel's messages come as a progression of messages. You can't understand the second and the third without clear understanding of the first.

So, for me... we should emphasize the 1st in the Evangelism outreach, and then the 2nd and the third are a part of the ongoing Christian Education. Instead we spend a day on the first message, and then a month on the second and the third.

There should be more of a from the ground up education.... who is God, why can we trust Bible, why evolution is wrong. We hardly have any of these seminars. Most of the seminars we conduct are targeting the Christians from the other churches to come and join ours. If we are not... then we need to re-think the mode of presentation.

You can't go from point A-C without first hitting A-B in a way that is clear. It takes time.

[Tom Wetmore]

In addition to KTSY, its "sister" Adventist radio station in the Washington/Baltimore area, WGTS, has a regular audience of at least 275,000 people every week! And from feedback they get this includes many unchurched and many who consider WGTS to be their church. Yesterday they concluded their 3 day "Sharathon", raising more than $1.5 million in direct listener support, the overwhelming majority of whom are not Adventist! (Sadly, many Adventist's are so unsupportive of this radio ministry that there was serious thought given to selling this highly valued "asset" to help bail out the financially stressed college it is associated with.)

I would be willing to venture that the listernership of these two stations eclipse all of the listenership of 3ABN Radio and LifeTalk Radio stations (similar in format and content to 3ABN Radio, but actually owned and operated by the Church)combined. The bulk of their stations are Low Power FM (FCC regulated to a broadcast radius of less than 5 miles) which usually have limited potential audiences.

[fccool]

It was estimated that Adventist Radio overall is listened by 1% of US population.

[Liz]

I used to listen to KLUV . What a great blessing for a community.

We just found K-LOVE and now we don't listen to anything else, in the car.

[Neil D]

In addition to KTSY, its "sister" Adventist radio station in the Washington/Baltimore area, WGTS, has a regular audience of at least 275,000 people every week! And from feedback they get this includes many unchurched and many who consider WGTS to be their church. Yesterday they concluded their 3 day "Sharathon", raising more than $1.5 million in direct listener support, the overwhelming majority of whom are not Adventist! (Sadly, many Adventist's are so unsupportive of this radio ministry that there was serious thought given to selling this highly valued "asset" to help bail out the financially stressed college it is associated with.)

I would be willing to venture that the listernership of these two stations eclipse all of the listenership of 3ABN Radio and LifeTalk Radio stations (similar in format and content to 3ABN Radio, but actually owned and operated by the Church)combined. The bulk of their stations are Low Power FM (FCC regulated to a broadcast radius of less than 5 miles) which usually have limited potential audiences.

Nice to know that there is another station like KTSY, Tom..I wasn't aware of it....

Ooh, if only we would allow our youth to really take the wheel and move among our people who really know how to evangelize....We could be Home within a generation...But this 3ABN junk is weighing us down...It's the Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Adventist hour...yuck!

KTSY just got thru thier sharathon....they were asking $600,000 from a Treasure Valley that holds about 315000 people....They were asking basically for $2 for every man and woman in the Treasure Valley...They only got $510,000....Quite impressive from the $70,000 they asked from the community origionally....

[Stan]

FWIW

I am in negotiations with Sirrus/XM for an Adventist channel..

That is my Big Hairy Audacious Goal..

Just wait until the 'Brethern" find out.

It will take a miracle... that is all.. hope to have it up with in a year...

shhhhhhh...

[Neil D]

Stan, if you get the channel, talk to Mike Agee from KTSY and see what you can do to spread the gospel there...Or from what I understand, talk to the general manager from KTSY's sister station....