Teen arrested for Texting...

[Cosmin M.]

Me?! I'm not even married yet! Much the less have a son!

[olger]

Notice the "re:" in my post. Quality over quantity. :)

[Cosmin M.]

Oh I see. Never realized that until now! Thanks.

[GreatLakesGramma]

I am not frustrated. I seldom deal personally with people who reject him. But it does make me get a bit hot under the collar to hear of or remember such cruelty.

I do not consider the fact that my son is gay to be the problem, just a symptom. We are all sinners, all struggle with some besetting sin. God still loves my son, and has given me peace. My son's heart is not hard. He has never wanted anything to do with the "gay scene." God knows his heart, and has promised me that He will never stop drawing him to Himself. I am confident that God will heal his wounded spirit and save him. I have seen evidence that it is happening. I can be patient.

I did not intend to say anything on this board about my son, because it isn't anyone's business, and I know that some Adventists believe that God has already given up on anyone who is gay, and that's why they are that way. I don't recall reading anything like that here lately, though it was here that I originally read that belief stated, several years ago, but if someone does bring it up, I am not going to be involved in the discussion.

[carolaa]

In my experience, about 1/4 of SDA teachers are good. The rest are mediocre to lame, with a few evil ones thrown in. I've done lots of subbing, so I've seen it firsthand. I don't know how public school teachers compare. But I know several young adults who experienced both and felt that public school was by far a better experience and the teachers cared more about them.

Teachers do have a tough job. I don't agree that spanking is the answer. Plenty of great kids have been raised w/o spanking. But it's obvious some kids have never learned respect and self control, or had to face consequences.

[Neil D]

I remember in public school when i became aware of the politics of children....there are kids that don't like other kids and do what they can to get them in trouble.....

It was raining and a group of us [6, as I recall] were playing in the classroom. All of us were friends, with one of us, being very popular in the class, and one not so popular. We were told that there was to be no running in the class room, and we didn't. We were on our knees, playing a form of tag....

When the teacher, who had stepped out of the class room, came back, students, who disliked the unpopular boy, told the teacher that he and the rest of us, were running. We denied it. After all, how can you run on your knees? They came back with, "well, [unpopular boy] had gotten up off the floor to run in the class room." No, we said, we were watching each other, and none of us were off the floor. "Oh, yes," they said. The teacher, tried a tact, that ended in a miscarry of justice."If one was guilty, all were guilty, " she said.

We were all guilty, the few students said. All six of us got one swat....even though we never did anything wrong.

Public School is not necessarily all it's cracked up to be either...

[olger]

I am not frustrated. I seldom deal personally with people who reject him. But it does make me get a bit hot under the collar to hear of or remember such cruelty.

I do not consider the fact that my son is gay to be the problem, just a symptom. We are all sinners, all struggle with some besetting sin. God still loves my son, and has given me peace. My son's heart is not hard. He has never wanted anything to do with the "gay scene." God knows his heart, and has promised me that He will never stop drawing him to Himself. I am confident that God will heal his wounded spirit and save him. I have seen evidence that it is happening. I can be patient.

I did not intend to say anything on this board about my son, because it isn't anyone's business, and I know that some Adventists believe that God has already given up on anyone who is gay, and that's why they are that way. I don't recall reading anything like that here lately, though it was here that I originally read that belief stated, several years ago, but if someone does bring it up, I am not going to be involved in the discussion.

Hi Catherine. Thanks for the reply. How does your husband feel about your son's choices?

[Cosmin M.]

Hey guys! Just woke up and I am going to get ready for church!

[Cosmin M.]

Happy Sabbath!

[GreatLakesGramma]

Hi Catherine. Thanks for the reply. How does your husband feel about your son's choices?

Sometimes he gets upset over certain things, out of concern for his well-being. Our son is a fine young man, kind, thoughtful, and considerate, and we both love him very much. When he hurts, we hurt, the same as with our other two.

[olger]

That's what good parents do. Stay available to your son because he will hit the wall soon enough. And he will need those who love him, and he will have a desire for truth then.

og

[True-believer]

reminds me what kids use to do when i went to school...lol.

[Amelia]

I went to public school all my life. In grade school we got a lot of very creative discipline. Including going to the principal for a talk to and or wacking.

In jr high began detention. My high school was an education experiment so discipline was all over the place. I can recall alot of "language" used between students and teachers. Many students who refused to comply were often told to get out.

Teachers are faced with students who don't care and parents that don't care. Then told it's all their fault when the kid can't read or write or even speak well.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

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Teachers are faced with students who don't care and parents that don't care. Then told it's all their fault when the kid can't read or write or even speak well.

How very true... Students have the upper hand nowadays. They know they can't be discipined the way they need to be, and they (many) take advantage of that fact.

[Cosmin M.]

Wow. I never got detention in my life. Nor ISS or OSS. I only got suspended of the bus for a few days for something I did not really do.

[GreatLakesGramma]

I never got into any kind of trouble in school, so I don't really know what they did back then. But it was back when beating your own kids was not illegal yet, so there may have been spanking and similar things.

I loved school. I loved learning, and I loved my teachers, at least in elementary school, because they were kind to me.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

In the SDA junior academy that I went to, recalcitrant kids were routinely horse-whipped with a rubber hose by the principal, and also the teachers were given permission to use wooden rulers, hairbrushes, whatever they wanted, to smack our hands for punishment. This was in the 60's. In 1st grade I had to kneel on the floor for 45 minutes to beseech God to forgive me for whispering in class.

[carolaa]

Wow, that's just sick. I'm afraid I'd have to hurt someone if they did that to my kid.

[carolaa]

It's bad enough that school personnel would do such things, but I really have to wonder about parents who would knowingly put their child in that kind of situation. Really sick-o.

[olger]

I went to public school all my life. In grade school we got a lot of very creative discipline. Including going to the principal for a talk to and or wacking.

In jr high began detention. My high school was an education experiment so discipline was all over the place. I can recall alot of "language" used between students and teachers. Many students who refused to comply were often told to get out.

Teachers are faced with students who don't care and parents that don't care. Then told it's all their fault when the kid can't read or write or even speak well.

TRue, Ameliar.

[olger]

Wow, that's just sick. I'm afraid I'd have to hurt someone if they did that to my kid.

I'll bet they're scared sick.

`oG

[cardw]

This idea which compares Adventist teachers and public school teachers to determine worse or better is poor reasoning. Its taking the specific instance and generalizing it.

I have found teachers, in general, to be very caring people and in spite of low salaries, having to use their own money for supplies, and having to work hours they are not payed for, they, for the most part, have great attitudes.

Part of the problem today is we are using an education system designed for the industrial revolution. It only addresses the learning style and needs of children who would make good college professors and it is too specialized.

Strangely enough the greatest demands of talent are in the areas of graphic arts, creative writing, and music. It is harder to get into a fine arts program today than to get into Harvard business school. This is largely due to content demands of the internet. And yet its the art and music programs that are being cut in high schools.

Education today needs to prepare students to be able to be multi-talented because they will be required to change professions during their life time to adapt to the rapidly changing way in which the world communicates and does business. This requires an entirely different education than is being offered today.

Total immersion types of training are very similar to apprentice style education and is what is needed today by those preparing to go into jobs that require many different, seemingly unrelated skills.

I think that behavior problems would decrease considerably if the point of school could be much more apparent. I think education needs to offer different types of learning environments so that each child can thrive, rather than a one size fits all approach. This could be done by offering several different tracks once a student reaches High School.

That's what I have been reading...

[GreatLakesGramma]

I believe you are right about what you've said, Richard. But I don't think the point here has been to compare which group of teachers is better. It was more to make the point that there are good and bad in both groups. Maybe the bad ones are just bad in different ways between the two groups. You wouldn't be made to kneel for 45 minutes begging God to forgive you in public school. But there are other things.

I liked most of my teachers. But some were unfit to be teachers. Mr. D the guidance counselor used to drop things on the floor in study hall so he could bend down to pick them up and look up the girls' skirts. Everybody knew it, but nothing was ever done about it. Miss K the gym teacher seemed masculine and made the girls uncomfortable as she leered at them in the showers. Turns out she was lesbian. Mr. L gave us the creeps, and the first Mrs. L was mean and yelled at her students. Those are the only teachers in my high school that I actually disliked.

[phkrause]

I have to agree if the parents and the teachers are not on the same page, the student will play them against each other. Like the dividing of the parents against each other at home.

pk

[Amelia]

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Part of the problem today is we are using an education system designed for the industrial revolution.

I would change this statement a bit like this.

"Part of the problem today is we are letting the school system raise our kids instead of doing it ourselves."