Porn, the Bible Belt and the Sabbath

[Robert]

So then, you're saying if a man is habitually unfaithful to his wife, having one affair or one night stand after another, never apologizes, but rather flaunts it in her face and tells her it's her fault because she's supposedly not good enough, she should just live with it?

I wouldn't.

No....The guy is a jerk! Leave him to the flesh and the devil.

That's my opinion,

Rob

[Cosmin M.]

1 word. Sue.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/07/porn-industry-seeks-federal-bailout/

Or maybe a few... ban, forget, leave, destroy.

[Key Guy]

Gramma's correct about the differences in the genders regarding arousal... in general terms. Obviously, there are exceptions and we can spend all week offering stories and anecdotal evidence of someone that doesn't fit the overall generalization.

While on our honeymoon, we stayed at a motel (with our own indoor swimming pool!) that had a couple of porn channels the the TV. While preparing to checkout, I was surfing channels and hit one of the porn channels at the time of a perverted act in progress. That couple-second image was burned into my head for quite awhile.

Powerful stuff.

[Robert]

Furthermore....

Most women who make pornographic movies are not doing it because they want to.

Maybe...but the money is good. That's part of the pic.

[Cosmin M.]

Also, my opinion on this is that women who do this do it either for the reason that they did bad in school and did not get a life because they spent all there time with guys and friends and never studied or bothered to pay attention in class. Or... they have had problems in their like which led them to prostitution.

[Robert]

Guys, if I sound like I am haranguing you, I don't mean to. But with all I've learned about pornography through the years, if I get involved in any kind of discussion of it, I can get pretty steamed.

You go! I like....We need more women to stand up against this addictive garbage. Men are too quite!

[Robert]

If there was a death penalty for adultery ... why didn't David suffer the penalty?

Grace...but the consequences of that union caused problems the rest of his life. He had what you would call a dysfunctional family.

Rob

[carolaa]

That couple-second image was burned into my head for quite awhile.

Powerful stuff.

I wonder if people with more Puritan histories have more trouble with this than others. For instance, some of the European countries seem to be much more open about sexual issues.

[Cosmin M.]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/160566/utah_online_porn_capital_of_america.html

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: SivartM

Perhaps because he repented. Just because David did not suffer the death penalty does not mean that the part of the Bible containing the death penalty for adultery was not true.

And also' date=' the baby was born dead. [/quote']

But the baby didn't do anything! God simply didn't bless the situation and apparently without intervention the baby was doomed to die anyway.

Rob

[True-believer]

But the baby didn't do anything! God simply didn't bless the situation and apparently without intervention the baby was doomed to die anyway. Rob

well at least the baby is in heaven now... with Jesus Christ...

[Key Guy]

Originally Posted By: KeyGuy

That couple-second image was burned into my head for quite awhile.

Powerful stuff.

I wonder if people with more Puritan histories have more trouble with this than others. For instance, some of the European countries seem to be much more open about sexual issues.

Quite possible. Being raised in a protective home, I was never exposed to that stuff as a kid. The closest thing was the nudie wall calendar in the shop of my uncle.

[carolaa]

So which state tops the poll as the biggest consumer of online pornography per Capita? Why, Utah, home of the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints..."

I suppose it might be helpful in order to keep up with all of one's wives.

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: KeyGuy

So which state tops the poll as the biggest consumer of online pornography per Capita? Why, Utah, home of the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints..."

I suppose it might be helpful in order to keep up with all of one's wives.

They make little blue pills for that....

[GoLions]

[quote=Robert

We need more women to stand up against this addictive garbage. Men are too quite!

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: Shane

I saw a statistic once that said most porno videos sold are purchased by couples - not singles.

That doesn't change the fact that married men do it behind their wives' back, and if found out, deny it, make excuses, cast blame on the wife for being not good enough...

That just sounds bizarre. The information I have read reports that people that buy porn videos (not look at porn on the internet) are married couples. Porn has become an accepted part of foreplay. I have known couples in AA that openly talk about watching porn together.

I read another article about internet porn that reported the vast majority of hits on porn sites occurs during normal work hours. That tends to tell us people are looking at porn at work where their spouses don't know about it.

So it appears that most porn videos are consumed by couples and most internet porn is consumed at work.

[Liz]

Originally Posted By: GreatLakesGramma

Furthermore....

Most women who make pornographic movies are not doing it because they want to.

Maybe...but the money is good. That's part of the pic.

Actually the money isn't good, the drugs are though. Most of the actresses in the porn movies make $500 bucks a movie. Drugs run quite freely. The real money is made in the stripper bars. There is money in the events in Vegas, but in order to do the special events one has to be in known in the porn world, which means the movies--it is a very vicious cycle. Sadly a lot of the girls needs to be high, in order to do what they have to do in those movies.

[Dr. Shane]

Regarding couples who use pornography, if I were a gambler, I'd be willing to bet everything I have that in almost every case, it was the husband who initiated its use. ...

Women (and girls) feel personally violated at viewing pornography, unless they have been persistently desensitized. Which is something Hollywood and other media in our society are doing their very utmost to accomplish.

Anyone making such a "bet" should be prepared to be homeless. Pornography is much more wide spread among men because they are visually stimulated. However many women in relationships to initiate the porn. There are even "better sex" advertisements in women's magazines which is nothing more than porno videos. Playgirl has porno tailor-made for women. And should we classify romance novels as porno? Women buy more romance novels than men do.

Now Hollywood is making porno mainstream and acceptable. Society should view women actresses in porno as victims but more and more these women are simply viewed as normal people that have decided to use their bodies to make a living.

[Key Guy]

Quote:

I will never be safe to put my guard down for one minute.

Dead on... That statement applies to all sins!

[Robert]

Porn has become an accepted part of foreplay.

Bingo! Exactly (although I never thought of that). Been there, did that...and the stupid thing is we didn't need to do that. But we did it and we paid for it because ultimately porno is about going outside the marriage bed.....My ex is the one who primarily went outside the marriage, but porno just made me jealous of my wife. It makes you think she's up to no good.

I think the sexual sins are the one's that are most seductive. And what follows? Quoting Paul (and notice that he lists sexual sins first and their fruit:)

Gal 5:19 sexual immorality, impure thoughts, eagerness for lustful pleasure,

Now watch what follows:

20 idolatry, participation in demonic activities, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, divisions, the feeling that everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other kinds of sin.

Rob

[Lineman]

Quote:

If there was a death penalty for adultery ... why didn't David suffer the penalty?

Isn't this the same thing that happened in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve first sinned? They were under a death penalty, but a "lamb" took their place.

[Woody]

Gramma's correct about the differences in the genders regarding arousal... in general terms. Obviously, there are exceptions and we can spend all week offering stories and anecdotal evidence of someone that doesn't fit the overall generalization.

While on our honeymoon, we stayed at a motel (with our own indoor swimming pool!) that had a couple of porn channels the the TV. While preparing to checkout, I was surfing channels and hit one of the porn channels at the time of a perverted act in progress. That couple-second image was burned into my head for quite awhile.

Powerful stuff.

Yeah I know what you mean. I had never seen that kind of stuff till I came here to CA ... we had some bad stuff get through. Stan got rid of it quickly ... but it is etched in my mind. Yuck.

[Lineman]

... But even the first images that I seen as a kid, still roll around in my head. It seems as if it will never leave me alone. Victory over porn seems impossible, it is way to rooted in my mind. I often wonder how I will ever get to heaven. It seems as if any little thing can set me off and back to the world of lust. That is why I have to take care in what I see on TV or movies. I am gaining victory, but it is not easy. The devil is still alive and active. In the last year or so, someone has dumped porn mags at the front of my driveway. I had to pick them up and throw them away. I new walking out to get them that I was heading into a battle for my soul, I prayed for strength not to look, and I did good almost all the way back to the trash can. Then I looked...how many times do I have to use 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I want victory over all my sins. I can't wait until the day, when I won't sin ever again. I will probably regret writing this. I have attended a few seminars on being a Christian and porn. This is not a subject I take lightly. My soul is at stake. My influence on others is at stake. My family is at stake.

This seems to be the most difficult issue for many men. I, too, have images still rolling around in my head of things I saw or heard as a kid. The hormones that run through our veins are very difficult to suppress and seem to kick up their ugly heads at the worst times.

I have been fighting this "war" for years and at times have also felt as you do. I can't wait until the day when I won't sin ever again. I, too, have often wondered how I will ever get to heaven, but I keep asking for forgivness, knowing that Jesus died for this kind of thing and I know that someday I will never sin again, praise the Lord.

Jesus taught in parables because humans are reminded of things by what we see. The Devil has taken this idea to a different level and is using it against us. Even this thread has been difficult for me to read because of the things I am reminded of (I'm sorry to say), but I feel strongly about what is being said here. This is a real problem for many people, men and women. Maybe for different reasons, but none-the-less it is a problem. Even Ellen White talked about this (at least masterbation) being a problem in both boys and girls.

The minute you get off the island (God's love and protection) you get eaten! Lord, keep me on YOUR island!

[Robert]

Quote:

If there was a death penalty for adultery ... why didn't David suffer the penalty?

Isn't this the same thing that happened in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve first sinned? They were under a death penalty, but a "lamb" took their place.

Adam and Eve died the 1st death - the ultimate result of sin. God saved them from the 2nd death - the wages of sin - eternal death.

[GoLions]

Originally Posted By: KeyGuy

That couple-second image was burned into my head for quite awhile.

Powerful stuff.

I wonder if people with more Puritan histories have more trouble with this than others. For instance, some of the European countries seem to be much more open about sexual issues.

I have talked with a fellow that joined the peace corps. He didn't have a lot of luck with the ladies here in the States. He thought it would be cool to go to a place where the women don't wear tops. He said that it soon came to him that it was no big deal. It became just a normal every day thing. Can you be desensitized to nudity? Yes. Does it take more to get you "drunk", yes. It is a never ending cycle, that is until you die. Is the problem Modesty? is the answer Modesty? No and no, the problem is the heart and the answer is Jesus. More open about sexual issues, how about in more denial?