Dancing

[Key Guy]

Party on and enjoy life! I have a feeling heaven is going to be a lot of fun that many may not approve of now if they knew about it!!!

No one enjoys a fun time more than I. Over the years the definition of a fun time has changed somewhat. My friends (and enemies) will tell you that I'm still rather immature. I can live with that.

However, I need advice. I'm no doubt going to dance for joy when we cross over to eternity! What dance steps shall I be learning so I may properly express my overwhelming joy in Heaven?

You see, it's one thing to leap and hop for joy. The lame guy that Christ healed certainly was thrilled and showed it. It's quite another to be dancing some popular dance on the dance floor.

I don't buy the dance floor scenario as the place to demonstrate extreme joy and gratitude for God's blessings. Isn't that what it's supposed to be all about?

[Dr. Shane]

If I judge someone for being a killjoy, what does that make me?

[Key Guy]

I thought the video was quite cool, an expression of joy and happiness.

Really? I saw guys and gals in shades shaking and slinking to provocative (dare I say satanic?) music.. in a Christian (dedicated to Jesus and what He stands for) sanctuary.

Just what would you consider an UNACCEPTABLE expression in a sanctuary?

[Outta Here]

Shane, you're right. I was making a judgment call about others when I said "many Adventists are such 'broken dogs'..." For that, I do apologize.

And yet, I have seen time and time again where the spirit of youth is squelched by the disciplinarians in the church. Some people are so conditioned that their joy and exuberance seems to be tucked neatly away, never to be shared again.

I have a one year old nephew who loves to dance. It is in his nature and is an expression of joy when he dances. I pray that he never be disciplined so much as to think that expression of joy through dancing is unacceptable.

[Woody]

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Shane, you're right. I was making a judgment call about others when I said "many Adventists are such 'broken dogs'..." For that, I do apologize.

Ever since I commented that "My dog wasn't broken" ... my avatar dog disappeared.

[phkrause]

Good post Shane, I'm with you on dancing. I personally don't dance never really cared for it, but I do agree with your post.

pk

[Key Guy]

So, everyone wants to avoid addressing the concept of decorum.

It figures

[Parade Orange]

the song they are boogerin with is 'FOREVER' by the girlfriend ( RIHANNA )beating thin voice wonder who dances good like a young MJ! CHRIS BROWN

yes thats him!

soooooo.... boogy down!

[Parade Orange]

hi TIMEWARP luv your name!

do u like mine

?

i think of weddings as a sacred occasion! and most hetersexuals ,at least 50% , think of marriage not as a sacred thing, So why should the marriage ceromony be?

decorum has nothing to do with darlink!

[Dr. Shane]

I have seen time and time again where the spirit of youth is squelched by the disciplinarians in the church.

I have sat on a church board and wanted to choke other members that are doing exactly what you describe. I am very sympathetic. Yet I don't want to judge them. I disagree with them and think they are totally wrong. But I do believe they are sincere and doing what they believe is right.

[Dr. Shane]

i think of weddings as a sacred occasion! and most hetersexuals ,at least 50% , think of marriage not as a sacred thing, So why should the marriage ceromony be?

Why have a wedding in a church if it is not a sacred occasion?

[Parade Orange]

Shane i think the palet the last few generations picks from is different than a few what we chioose or know that others choose. I dont know if the ones that planned and implemented this dance routine are religious or hangs out in the sanctary once a week. I havent a clue of who they are or what they belive and do. The only thing i inow about weddings is that it is done in churches and the City Hall if not at a park or two.

they planned a church wedding and got it! then they think of what they wanna do to celibrate the occasion. this is their choice just like the location. It is was what these two americans chose to do.

they are people who dont think like i do but they didnt consult me. So if only they had me as their event cordinator .....!!!

[Parade Orange]

at the door of the sancuary I WILL TELL THEM TO " BOOOOOOWWWWW TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD WHO HAS REDEEMED U

WHO IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD

AND ITS ALL to JESUS

ONLY TO BE GIVEN BACK TO HIS FATHER

TO HIS GLORY ONLY TO WALK AGAIN AMONG US AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " if I had it my waaaaayyyy....!!!

then the lighting of the candles and speaking vows at the same time with clouds of patchule incence dazzling in the candle light above the soft haloed glow of holy pure love twins REVERENCE untainted with fornication !

[Parade Orange]

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they danced!!!!!!!!!!

[Tom Wetmore]

So, everyone wants to avoid addressing the concept of decorum.

It figures

OK. I'll bite...

First I must say that your characterization of the dance in question as being provocative and possibly Satanic seemed a bit extreme. I saw more joyful exuberance and not much sexuality in the dancing wedding party. It is all a matter of perception. What you saw was perhaps more of a reflection of you than of the wedding party. You know, like the whole idea of beauty being in the eye of the beholder... Ugly is too...

But really it seems to me that you are more bothered by the fact that any dancing took place in a church. Is the church too holy for any dance? Or is it too close to where God supposedly sits? Apparently David didn't think dancing exuberantly and joyfully (His wife perceived it as you have this wedding dance as being shamefully provocative...) in his underwear before the ark (God's throne here on earth in OT times) was a problem.

OK should there be no dancing of any kind in a church for special occasions other than church? How about dancing while worshiping and praising God, like David did? During Church Service on Sabbath morning?

For the record, an Adventist Church which I attend fairly often does have a praise dance team that dances while the music praise team leads the singing. It is praise and poetry in motion.

The dear lady that leads out was troubled when she first joined the church that she had no talent for music, couldn't sing or play an instrument. But she said, "I can dance." And now she is pleased to be a contributing part of praise and worship with her talent.

How do you feel about that?

Tom

[lazarus]

I have an idea for my next sermon!!!

[Woody]

I would love to hear it. Is there a link that has your sermons? If need be ... maybe you could PM me. I might have some to share with you also.

If cats can dance .... then so should we.

[Parade Orange]

yes davids wife saw ugly and GOD saw beauty when DAVID danced

[Neil D]

To no one in poticular-

All I can say is "wow!" ....Some of you can't tell when others are joyful...and some of you can't tell when some are dancing for fun....

Where is Satan in this type of dancing? What does Satan have to do with dancing anyways when you are incorporating dance in a wedding service...or even at the reception?

I think that Jesus would have approved the dance scene that we saw...at Church, with those shades, and with these guys standing on thier hands, and doing summersaults from a group of people dancing...amazing stuff for a bunch of amateurs....especially if they are SDA amateur dancers....

These guys and gals are to be commended on thier creativity and thier dance and thier unique wedding,....I am sure they will not forget it, nor will thier relatives, for YEARS!!!!.....

And congrates to the people getting married.

[there buster]

We have worship dance from time to time-- not nearly often enough, for my taste. The young woman who does it has classical training, and when she dances, heaven touches earth. It is transporting, amazing, and beautiful.

Dance is one of the few things commanded for worship in scripture (see Ps. 149 and 150)

[Neil D]

I went over this video again....

I am amazed at all the older folk who were smiling in church, and the female pastor who was also smiling, presided over this...She also thought this was a fun way to celebrate the wedding...It just seems to me, that with all this joy and all this celebration that was happening, ...it just amazes me that the traditionalists, and the conccervatives who can't stand for change or fear the marring traditional but sacred institutions...it just amazes me that the purpose of weddings, while joining men and women before God, do NOT negate celebration during the service....

Why would you want to dampen the ceremony with the accusations that dancing is bad and of the devil when as has been pointed out that Psalms encourages dancing for joy? And what is more joyful than the finding of a man and woman who want to share their lives together......

....Ok, other than finding out that you have just won the $100mill Lotto.....

[Key Guy]

Originally Posted By: timewarp

So, everyone wants to avoid addressing the concept of decorum.

It figures

OK. I'll bite...

First I must say that your characterization of the dance in question as being provocative and possibly Satanic seemed a bit extreme. I saw more joyful exuberance and not much sexuality in the dancing wedding party. It is all a matter of perception. What you saw was perhaps more of a reflection of you than of the wedding party. You know, like the whole idea of beauty being in the eye of the beholder... Ugly is too...

But really it seems to me that you are more bothered by the fact that any dancing took place in a church. Is the church too holy for any dance? Or is it too close to where God supposedly sits? Apparently David didn't think dancing exuberantly and joyfully (His wife perceived it as you have this wedding dance as being shamefully provocative...) in his underwear before the ark (God's throne here on earth in OT times) was a problem.

OK should there be no dancing of any kind in a church for special occasions other than church? How about dancing while worshiping and praising God, like David did? During Church Service on Sabbath morning?

For the record, an Adventist Church which I attend fairly often does have a praise dance team that dances while the music praise team leads the singing. It is praise and poetry in motion.

The dear lady that leads out was troubled when she first joined the church that she had no talent for music, couldn't sing or play an instrument. But she said, "I can dance." And now she is pleased to be a contributing part of praise and worship with her talent.

How do you feel about that?

Tom

I wasn't asking anyone to 'bite' like they were going to get trapped. This wasn't a fishing exercise.

I'll be honest. I'm not sure where I stand on 'holy' dancing in a sanctuary (no doubt due to my upbringing). I'm quite sure that 'worldly' dancing is uncouth and the wedding dancing down the aisle was worldly as opposed to holy. There's this thing called "primitive Godliness" aka "Pure Godliness" that Mrs White espouses. I see this type of dancing (in a church sanctuary) out of that realm.

See, you are trying to compare David's dance to that of the wedding and they are not the same. So that premise won't hold water. There is a distinct difference between dancing out of immediate and profound joy than dancing a planned dance designed to bring honor to oneself. Hint: Wearing sunglasses and doing a choreographed number is NOT an immediate expression of joy in the moment. They were not dancing a 'holy dance'.

I can't speak to David's wife's complaint, so I'm silent on that.

I never opined that there shouldn't be ANY dancing of ANY kind. I am simply not sure where to draw the line between what God would inspire and what Satan would inspire. That doesn't mean there isn't a line, though, and I think that line was crossed in this particular wedding.

There are some on this forum who have expressed that ANY dancing is acceptable to God or should be. I totally disagree. I can back that up, so it's not just my opinion.

I think we can summarize this and most all subjects where we don't agree: Some want God to be like them, some want to be like God.

[Key Guy]

I am amazed at all the older folk who were smiling in church, and the female pastor who was also smiling, presided over this...

So, the more smiles we get from people the more righteous the activity.

[Tom Wetmore]

... and conversely the more scowls we get the more sinful it is...

These are all human judgments. Find a direct condemnation of any dance in Scripture and then we can start to find out where to draw that nebulous line you believe is out there somewhere.

I don't disagree that there is a line, but I think caution and fear born of our puritanical Adventist roots is not necessarily a very good guide.

[Key Guy]

... and conversely the more scowls we get the more sinful it is...

These are all human judgments. Find a direct condemnation of any dance in Scripture and then we can start to find out where to draw that nebulous line you believe is out there somewhere.

I don't disagree that there is a line, but I think caution and fear born of our puritanical Adventist roots is not necessarily a very good guide.

Human judgments indeed... I agree, and that was my point. We don't judge righteousness by human votes or smiles/scowls.

I did say 'caution', I didn't say 'fear', although weighing righteousness in the view of eternity can bring about fear. IOW, I'm not about to place God's promise of eternal life at risk. That means I'll be avoiding Satan and his deceptions like the plague that it truly is. In this day, it is even more critical to choose whether to drift toward sin or paddle toward righteousness.

Don't be so anxious to toss away 'our puritanical Adventist roots'. They are there for a reason, even if nothing more than to keep the brakes on enough to slow down our tendencies to accept the latest fads.

The beauty is that the closer I grow in God's love and character, the more careful I will be in accepting anything out of hand that remotely smells of worldliness.