Ernie Knoll is exposed....

[Pickie Chickie]

Please copy and paste the two dreams currently missing from Ernie Knoll's new web site into a comment so we all can read them and figure out why he has discluded them. I do know that Steve Wohlberg picked apart the "What God Can Do" dream. Perhaps that is why Ernie hasn't posted that one. Thank you.

[LifeHiscost]

Then the undergarment topic surfaced. The angel told Candace that God loves the form of the woman, and that He wanted it to be shown."

Not sure or do I wish to follow through to investigate where this information originally came from, but if it is or was being used by someone supposedly in direct contact with Divinity, in itself it reveals a spirit not of God. It in fact appeals to the prurient nature of fallen human beings and is used by the prince of darkness as one of the most effective ways, if not the most effective, to begin leading fallen humans away from the purity required to become a resident of the heavenly habitations, let alone to receive sanctification on this earth.

"But nothing that defiles or profanes or is unwashed shall ever enter it, nor anyone who commits abominations (unclean, detestable, morally repugnant things) or practices falsehood, but only those whose names are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life." Rev 21:27 AMP

And if I were a moderator, based on the biblical knowledge we have available, I would remove this whole thread as a farce meant to destroy the good that Club Adventist has achieved, by the grace of God, in the past.

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person."

1 Corinthians 5:11 NKJV

Regards!

[Pickie Chickie]

The title of this thread is "Ernie Knoll is exposed".

Clearly we are exposing Ernie Knoll for what he truly is. Perhaps you don't approve of the way we are going about it and I apologize for that.

By closing this thread entirely, people who are inclined to believe Ernie Knoll is a prophet will be denied this information.

I would suggest, rather than closing down the entire thread, that the moderator remove posts that they don't want to appear.

If this topic is closed down, Ernie Knoll will be very happy. Is that what you want?

[Pickie Chickie]

I discovered this post at a Facebook Group entitled "Ellen White & Dress Reform - What is Modest Dressing?": http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=39431509623&ref=mf (I've replaced the names with X's.)

Two weeks ago XXXXX and XXXX a mother and daughter from my church decided to go shopping at the local Salvation Army (second hand store) to see if there were any bargains.

They were looking in one of the boxes when they noticed a man standing in front of them staring. He didn’t look scary but friendly. Cheryl and Dawn looked at each other and moved to another part of the store. The man followed and started looking in the same bin as them. They looked at each other again and decided to look in the boxes outside the store. The man followed them. At that point Cheryl whispered to Dawn, let’s get out of here.

They started to leave when the man said, excuse me, but are you ladies Christians?

Yes they replied.

What church do you go to? Why aren’t you wearing any makeup or jewellery and why are your clothes so long?

Oh, we’re dress reformers they said.

The man introduced himself as XXXXX from Burundi.

He then proceeded to tell them that he had been to many of the churches around Perth and everywhere he went the women were wearing certain clothing, makeup or jewellery. Also that during the week he wanted more spiritual food and there wasn’t much bible studies happening in the places he’d been.

Basically, he couldn’t find pasture;

Song of Solomon 1:7 Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest [thy flock] to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?

They invited him to church and it was not only XXXXX that came but his five children, his friend XXXXX, his wife and children and then some of his friends and in future another family of seven he’d like to bring. No, it’s not about numbers but these people were seeking. They were meeting some weeks in a hall and sometimes under a tree in the park.

There are many ways in which God works to draw people to himself. He uses all kinds of people, situations and circumstances but when we see this kind of thing happening where God is revealing to the world one of the special testing truths for our time, his preference in dress, we know we must be near the end.

You may have never heard a sermon on dress and this kind of thing may be new to you as it was to me not long ago. Therefore I quote from one of the studies linked to this group;

“When it comes to the subject of dress, unfailingly it is one of those subjects that we always fall into difficulty with. It is imperative we look at the subject in the framework of the Sanctuary. This study deals with the true motive of dress reform and the motivation behind dress reform. When the motivation is correct, then your dress will be correct.

If you look at it from the perspective of what is the requirement of dress without the beautiful inspiration of the sanctuary or Jesus, it is only looking at the fruits of the tree instead the roots of the tree. You are trying to pick off fruits that aren’t good and place good fruits on there when the tree needs to be dealt with.” Dress Reform and the Sanctuary Part 1.

[Woody]

"A Work of the Heart.--There are many who try to correct the life of others by attacking what they consider are wrong habits. They go to those whom they think are in error, and point out their defects. They say, "You don't dress as you should." They try to pick off the ornaments, or whatever seems offensive, but they do not seek to fasten the mind to the truth. Those who seek to correct others should present the attractions of Jesus. They should talk of His love and compassion, present His example and sacrifice, reveal His Spirit, and they need not touch the subject of dress at all. There is no need to make the dress question the main point of your religion. There is something richer to speak of. Talk of Christ, and when the heart is converted, everything that is out of harmony with the Word of God will drop off. It is only labor in vain to pick leaves off a living tree. The leaves will reappear. The ax must be laid at the root of the tree, and then the leaves will fall off, never to return." Ellen White in {Ev 272.1}

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

imho

[Pickie Chickie]

Why are you following the thread if it offends you so much?

[Pickie Chickie]

What is imho? I don't understand whether you like my post or not or which post your are reacting to!

[Woody]

I think that 'imho' is related to Ivanho. OR ... could it mean I'm saying HO HO HO. Something to the effect of dgrimmm.

[Bravus]

IMHO = 'in my humble opinion'

rudywoofs was saying that, in shifting the focus of the thread to dress, we're beating a dead horse in her opinion, and I have to agree. We each have opinions and ideas on the issue, and they've been discussed extensively in the SDA church since the beginning.

The advice from Ernie Knoll is something quite different, though. It's not an argument about whether or not to wear wedding rings or bikinis. It's the claim that wearing very revealing clothes is evidence of faith in God. To me, that is just someone taking advantage of his 'prophet' status to advance his own lusts.

And of course, the clothing issue is only one of many about Knoll, including his admission that the dreams themselves were fabricated and his deceptions with 'Candace'. There is ample evidence there of fraud, lies and anything but a Christ-like approach to life.

With the greatest respect, Master Po, clinging to parts of Knoll's dreams is dangerous ground, IMO.

[Pickie Chickie]

IMHO = 'in my humble opinion'

rudywoofs was saying that, in shifting the focus of the thread to dress, we're beating a dead horse in her opinion, and I have to agree. We each have opinions and ideas on the issue, and they've been discussed extensively in the SDA church since the beginning.

The advice from Ernie Knoll is something quite different, though. It's not an argument about whether or not to wear wedding rings or bikinis. It's the claim that wearing very revealing clothes is evidence of faith in God. To me, that is just someone taking advantage of his 'prophet' status to advance his own lusts.

And of course, the clothing issue is only one of many about Knoll, including his admission that the dreams themselves were fabricated and his deceptions with 'Candace'. There is ample evidence there of fraud, lies and anything but a Christ-like approach to life.

With the greatest respect, Master Po, clinging to parts of Knoll's dreams is dangerous ground, IMO.

I wasn't wanting to discuss the topic of dress. I was simply pointing out to Ernie Bennett how contradictory Ernie Knoll's statements are about dress in respect to what happens in "real life" as it is clear Ernie Bennett is rather confused about things since he still continued to believe Ernie Knoll was a prophet after being made aware of Ernie Knolls' dream which included Candace.

In other words, it is clear to me that no matter what Ernie Knoll says or does, Ernie Bennett believes he's a prophet. It appears that perhaps this thread is winding down as Ernie Bennet isn't posting anymore. Perhaps too many questions have been asked (OR) perhaps he does not want to post the controversial dreams for us to scrutinize as Ernie Bennett is of the opinion, if I have understood him correctly, he believes all Ernie Knoll's dreams were/are from God, even the dream which included Candace.

It is starting to become very clear we have someone who is enjoying toying with everyone's brains here on this forum. I have no clue why Ernie Bennett would continue to post on this forum after he has revealed his identity, if he is indeed who he has portrayed himself to be, because continuing to believe in Ernie Knoll after some of the points that have been made on this forum would make him look like a fool!

I don't know what else I can do to change his mind. I was only trying to bring up points that perhaps Ernie Bennett was unaware of in respect to claims made about Ernie Knoll.

[Guest]

Thanks for the info Bravus. I didn't know what it meant either.

With the greatest respect, Master Po, clinging to parts of Knoll's dreams is dangerous ground, IMO.

Now was that IMO, or IMHO?

That is my opinion also.

[Woody]

Quote:

With the greatest respect, Master Po, clinging to parts of Knoll's dreams is dangerous ground, IMO.

Being a prophet himself ... he probably knows that Bravus.

[Woody]

Quote:

That is my opinion also.

TIMOA

[Bravus]

hehe - IMO is 'in my opinion'. I have to admit I omitted the 'humble', but please take it as read.

[Pickie Chickie]

I would like each person who reads this to comment please.

Do you think the original board of Ernie Knoll's 4HisPeople ministry have done all they can to warn everyone who reaches Ernie's original website: http://4hispeople.com about Ernie's deception in making up Candace The Prostitute and The Great Commission which consisted of a team of well respected SDA elders, pastors, scholars, students, etc. who hired a private investigator to not only locate Candace but to scrutinize all of Ernie's dreams and who provided a flowering report in support of Ernie Knoll?

What about the people who were reading the dreams in other languages? Why doesn't the main page have the same message in all the other languages?

Do you think simply removing the content was enough?

Do you think the entire website has been gutted of all content and the only post remaining is the announcement about Ernie's deceptions/lies which asks people to stop contributing to the ministry?

[oldsailor29]

I would like each person who reads this to comment please.

Do you think the original board of Ernie Knoll's 4HisPeople ministry have done all they can to warn everyone who reaches Ernie's original website: http://4hispeople.com about Ernie's deception in making up Candace The Prostitute and The Great Commission which consisted of a team of well respected SDA elders, pastors, scholars, students, etc. who hired a private investigator to not only locate Candace but to scrutinize all of Ernie's dreams and who provided a flowering report in support of Ernie Knoll?

What about the people who were reading the dreams in other languages? Why doesn't the main page have the same message in all the other languages?

Do you think simply removing the content was enough?

Do you think the entire website has been gutted of all content and the only post remaining is the announcement about Ernie's deceptions/lies which asks people to stop contributing to the ministry?

I didn't see anything new on Ernie Knoll's website, which leads me to conclude that Ernie Knoll has no new light.

[Guest]

He's got two new dreams that try to explain away his stupidity, but no light.

[Pickie Chickie]

You aren't understanding my question.

There is the original Ernie Knoll web site where Ernie's dreams were all posted as well as the letters from Candace The Prostitute and a letter from The Great Commission.

Ernie, when confronted by a board member of Ernie's ministry (4HisPeople), about the IP address of the sending computer on the e-mails to Ernie from Candace The Prostitute and the e-mails from Ernie being the same, Ernie admitted there was no Candace The Prostitute (only because he was caught redhanded).

When it was discovered the IP address of the person who sent the report to Ernie from The Great Commission was the same as Ernie Knoll's IP address, Ernie admitted there was no Great Commission who had sent a private investigator to locate Candace The Prostitute, that he had made up the Great Commission.

Because of Ernie Knoll's lies, the 4HisPeople board posted this announcement on Ernie Knoll's website:

The 4 His People Ministry Board learned of some very disturbing information the week of July 15. This information has led us

to believe that though the dreams appear to be of a supernatural source, we now believe that this source was of Satan.

Along with the meetings being cancelled and no future meetings authorized by the board, please know that Ernie and

Becky Knoll are suspended from any activity related to the 4 His People Ministry.

Please cease contributing funds to this ministry.

For those of you who read the testimony and/or received emails from someone going by the name of “Candace”, we were able to

determine through tracking email IP information, that Ernie Knoll is “Candace”. When pressed, he admitted to this on July 21

at 2:43pm in a phone call to two ministry board members. We have also determined that the “Great Commission Counsel”

is also Ernie Knoll.

We sincerely apologize to all who have read and believed these messages. We pray that those whose lives have been affected,

including those of us on this ministry team and our families, will find closure. Thankfully, we have a loving Savior in Jesus Christ

who is willing to forgive all who come to Him with sincere repentance.

While we have concerns about some of the arguments and statements made by those who openly opposed the dreams, we apologize

to you specifically. We may at some time in the future ask that you consider the unscriptural positions taken, but it is clearly

not appropriate at this time.

Please know that all of us involved in this ministry, only ever wanted to serve in the cause of Christ, to win souls for the kingdom.

It is our prayer that those who have returned to Jesus, as a result of these messages, will not cast Him aside. While we cannot trust

in man’s opinions, we can trust Jesus. Always look to Jesus for light and strength. May He find us ready, when He returns.

4 His People Ministry Board: http://4hispeople.com

IMPORTANT: All of Ernie's dreams were available on this website in English as well as Spanish, Russian and several other languages. A person who wanted to read the dreams, Letter From Candace, Letter/Report from the Great Commission, order books, donate money, etc. had links to click on!

My concern is this: The announcement about Ernie's fraud is only posted in English!

If I am Russian or Spanish, I reach this announcement in English. Why wasn't the announcement posted in all the languages the dreams were made available in?

Ernie Knoll and the 4HisPeople Ministry Team/Board went to all the trouble to have all the English content from this website translated into at least four languages.

Why isn't it they couldn't have the courtesy to post the above announcement in these languages?

I also asked, do you think all of the content has been removed from http://4hispeople.com ?

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Why don't you put your considerable energies regarding this subject to the 4HisPeople website Board and ask them? It isn't doing any good to post here....we are all speaking English.

I never even heard of Ernie Knoll until someone posted it here. My church family has never heard of him. I don't know that he's as famous as is portrayed. It is a shame, though, that people have contributed money to him. He sounds like a kook to me. IMHO

[Pickie Chickie]

I already sent an e-mail to the webmaster of http://4hispeople.com who stated the announcement was posted on the Spanish site. However, a person can't get to that part of the website unless they reach a menu and, unless you have advanced computer skills, you wouldn't be able to reach it either.

A person wishing to read the dreams in other languages would go to the website then click on a link on the main menu. Now, all they reach is an announcement in English.

[Nan]

Why don't you put your considerable energies regarding this subject to the 4HisPeople website Board and ask them? It isn't doing any good to post here....we are all speaking English.

I never even heard of Ernie Knoll until someone posted it here. My church family has never heard of him. I don't know that he's as famous as is portrayed. It is a shame, though, that people have contributed money to him. He sounds like a kook to me. IMHO

My thoughts too, Pam

[Pickie Chickie]

Will someone please tell me where on this website there is a link to send an e-mail to the webmaster?

http://4hispeople.com/

[Master Po]

Originally Posted By: Bravus

IMHO = 'in my humble opinion'

rudywoofs was saying that, in shifting the focus of the thread to dress, we're beating a dead horse in her opinion, and I have to agree. We each have opinions and ideas on the issue, and they've been discussed extensively in the SDA church since the beginning.

The advice from Ernie Knoll is something quite different, though. It's not an argument about whether or not to wear wedding rings or bikinis. It's the claim that wearing very revealing clothes is evidence of faith in God. To me, that is just someone taking advantage of his 'prophet' status to advance his own lusts.

And of course, the clothing issue is only one of many about Knoll, including his admission that the dreams themselves were fabricated and his deceptions with 'Candace'. There is ample evidence there of fraud, lies and anything but a Christ-like approach to life.

With the greatest respect, Master Po, clinging to parts of Knoll's dreams is dangerous ground, IMO.

I wasn't wanting to discuss the topic of dress. I was simply pointing out to Ernie Bennett how contradictory Ernie Knoll's statements are about dress in respect to what happens in "real life" as it is clear Ernie Bennett is rather confused about things since he still continued to believe Ernie Knoll was a prophet after being made aware of Ernie Knolls' dream which included Candace.

In other words, it is clear to me that no matter what Ernie Knoll says or does, Ernie Bennett believes he's a prophet. It appears that perhaps this thread is winding down as Ernie Bennet isn't posting anymore. Perhaps too many questions have been asked (OR) perhaps he does not want to post the controversial dreams for us to scrutinize as Ernie Bennett is of the opinion, if I have understood him correctly, he believes all Ernie Knoll's dreams were/are from God, even the dream which included Candace.

It is starting to become very clear we have someone who is enjoying toying with everyone's brains here on this forum. I have no clue why Ernie Bennett would continue to post on this forum after he has revealed his identity, if he is indeed who he has portrayed himself to be, because continuing to believe in Ernie Knoll after some of the points that have been made on this forum would make him look like a fool!

I don't know what else I can do to change his mind. I was only trying to bring up points that perhaps Ernie Bennett was unaware of in respect to claims made about Ernie Knoll.

Pickie Chickie,

If you are implying that I am the one "toying" with everyones brains and that I "enjoy" it, you are mistaken.

Do I still belive that Ernie Knoll has had dreams from God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes, I do. As I said before, so many times, I have seen what has already been posted in vision long before the dreams where posted. So, I have no problem with the validity of the dreams.

The dream with Candace in it, is explained in the email he sent out, which I have given the link to, and I give again,

http://www.4hispeople.org/

I also posted the two dreams that Ernie Knoll has not posted on his website, put it was in the above email, which is still available for download. The two dreams, as well as the entire email, can be found on this thread on page 29. The titles are "What God Can Do" and "A Friend So Precious"

In the new dream there is a warning (one of many) given.

Here it is:

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Many think that the earth will only be destroyed with fireballs. This is not so. If needed, God will use other means to destroy. You have been shown many different ways that God will allow the earth to be destroyed. This is not to say that He Himself will not destroy. Many have said that He does not kill or destroy. {6} They have forgotten the flood of Noah’s day, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the death of Pharaoh and his massive army. That is the problem. Many have forgotten. God can and will destroy and if needed will allow destruction to occur. The Creator of all can destroy as He has before. Remember He loves the sinner but hates sin.

I am now to show you something that could happen. It could be a change of mind as Nineveh or it could be destruction as Sodom and Gomorrah. Hold tight to your faith as this is what you are to be shown and you are to share.” Holding my hand, the Herald and I go to where I am held safely and instructed to observe the things set before me. I am high above the earth looking down and see the area from the coast of Asia to the coast of California. I am told to closely watch the area in Asia. I am not sure if it is China, Korea, or Japan, but I watch something that I will try to describe. A weapon of some kind fires a bright, square energy beam that appears to be about 500 feet square and about 500 miles long. It travels across the surface of the ocean at an amazing speed. As it travels it changes from bright white to clear, resembling a magnifying glass passing over water. It travels across the ocean surface headed for the coast of California. What seems like just a few moments later, the energy beam hits the Los Angeles area and causes a very strong earthquake. I observe as many buildings twist, shake back and forth violently and fall to the ground. Plumes of smoke shoot up and then huge balls of fire explode upwards into the air. The large explosions continue and the destruction heads eastward past the Los Angeles area. I continue to observe as large buildings, freeways, and homes crumble to the ground. The earth’s surface shakes up and down and back and forth. I see the ground open and close as many objects and people are devoured as if by a hungry planet.

The ocean now recedes far out, which makes the earthen floor of the continental shelf visible. I see far down where the ocean used to be. It looks like an extended beach with deep valleys. The water continues to recede. The city’s ground surface slides up and down and back and forth. Fire shoots up and huge plumes of gas-filled balls of fire ascend. The Herald now tells me to look back at the ocean. A massive wave that is thousands of feet high moves very quickly toward the Los Angeles coastline. It covers what is left of the city and many smaller cities and towns, while cresting many of the tall mountains. As the wave recedes, it rakes debris with it back into the ocean. The Herald says to look back at the land. I see no recognizable landmarks, no buildings, bridges, or highways. Nothing but debris remains. Again the ground shakes and slides. Fire and smoke shoot upwards. The Herald says to turn and look again at the ocean. I see another wave just as high as the first crash across where the greater Los Angeles area used to be. The water again goes inland for a long distance then once again recedes and rakes the surface of the earth. Fissures with smoke and steam billow out of the ground all along the Los Angeles area and inland. Another wave as high as the first two leaves the entire area destroyed. The water that fills part of the lower central valley now recedes a third and final time. This destruction causes changes to California that many think would be impossible.

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Now is there a way to stop this from occuring ? Since there is so much filth that comes out of that part of the world, do we want to stop it from happening ? Since it is likely to destroy San Francisco, do we want to stop it? What is San Francisco famous for ? The Gay movement. More than that, the pushing of the Gay agenda upon American society. What else could be destroyed in this beam ? Hollywood. Most of thier movies are left leaning liberalistic and anti-God. Would anyone miss Hollywood ?

And then there is the case of the doubters and the attackers upon Ernie Knoll and myself, crying falsehood, amongst other things. Did Ernie Knoll & Becky make mistakes. Yep. Where they avoidable? I would say all was. It seems as you all are standing around casting stones at Ernie Knoll and myself, I suppose each and everyone one of you are without sin.

As it stands now, let the energy beam destroy what it may. I think it would be wise to ask Adventist to start moving out of the Los Angeles area.

[Pickie Chickie]

Where is there a link to contact this person?

http://4hispeople.com

I was hoping someone from the former board or someone who knows how to get hold of the webmaster has been keeping up with this topic. The e-mail I sent brought about no changes whatsoever.

Just because you haven't heard of him, does that make this matter any less serious? He has made a new website on which nothing is mentioned about his lies!

If you aren't concerned about a FALSE Seventh Day Adventist prophet, then please don't comment on this thread!

Clearly it is going to take more than one person contacting the webmaster or whomever is responsible for what appears on the website to get the information posted in at least all the languages the dreams were available in.

Does anyone know who we can all contact to effect this much needed change to the website?

Is nobody concerned that people who speak different languages are going to start going to Ernie's new website and NOT even be aware of the fact that he is a LIAR?

It seems to me the webmaster of the "old site" could have put more energy into making sure everyone who reaches that site is warned about Ernie Knoll!

The only way to do that is to have the announcement in as many languages as possible.

Don't you get it?

I already attempted to get them to post the announcement in at least all the languages the dreams were available in.

Just because you and your church family haven't heard about Ernie Knoll makes a difference? Shouldn't it be considered a tradgedy if even one person is deceived into believing Ernie Knoll's lies because the announcement wasn't posted in their language?

I would think you would have commented: What is the webmaster's e-mail address? I will write to them myself and suggest they post the announcement in the languages the dreams were posted in!

Do you think everybody in the entire world has heard about him? No!

He has set up a new website and has a donation link on it! Nothing is mentioned about his lies! So, people who aren't aware of the other website will be deceived because they won't read the announcement.