When are the saved like Jesus? etc.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

Will we ever be fully like Jesus?

A copy can never equal the original.

A better question would be:

Is it possible for God to give us victory as He did Jesus.

We know the answer is yes.

So the problem is us, not Gods power.

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That leaves two options.

1. Claim victory is impossible and carry on sinning.

2. Seek and pursue righteouness.

Or here's another option: Could we have the faith of Jesus such that we could be so settled in our belief/commitment to God that NOTHING can shake us out?

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

A very good option. :-)

[Twilight]

Once S A S........right?

Indeed Richard.

This is the error the enemy seems so determined to insert into our church.

It has been so succesful elsewhere, he would love us to accept it.

...

Mark :-)

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Richard Holbrook

You make it cheap

If they could get there without those things, then why don't they?

You are deceived into thinking your works make you good enough to go to heaven. You are saved by the imputed righteousness of Christ, period! If you think you can add to His perfect righteousness, well, go join your Catholic friends...

Could not the opposite charge be layed to you?

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Would you be offended if I presented this:

You are deceived into thinking that works are not a part of sanctification.

You are saved by the imputed and imparted righteousness of Christ, Period...

If you think you can get into heaven whilst practicing known sin, then you need to go and join your charismatic friends.

They enjoy a good babble apparently. :-)

Mark

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

That leaves two options.

1. Claim victory is impossible and carry on sinning.

2. Seek and pursue righteouness.

Mark

Good show brother.

Maybe this is that which Redwood was referring.

"Then I saw all the work of God, that man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun--because however much a man may toil in seeking, yet he will not find it out; yes, more than that, though a wise man thinks and claims he knows, yet will he not be able to find it out."Ecclesiastes 8:17 AMP

Blessings!

We have to be careful we are not given over to delusion.

If your light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness. (paraphrase)

God bless you Brother.

Mark :-)

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

Then why would Jesus add this?

"...Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption"1 Corinthians 1:29-31 NKJV

If Jesus gave us justification only, as needed, why did He find it necessary to provide righteousness and sanctification and redemption? [/quote']

"In Christ" we have all 3 things: justification, sanctification and glorification. That's the imputed righteousness of Christ.

Proof? Okay:

Justification: Romans 5:18 "So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men."

Sanctification: Hebrews 10:9 "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." ... 10 By that will [His doing & dying] we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Glorification: Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love [agape] with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus....Col 1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

So you have been justified, sanctified and glorified then Robert?

Your lack of love for others who do not agree with you, would argue against this, don't you think?

So are you preaching a gospel you do not have?

Mark

[Gerr]

Did Jesus Christ NEED to have faith in God as being His Father? If He did need faith then He was not Himself God.

It is written: "Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the FAITH OF JESUS." Rev 14:12 NKJ

Furthermore: "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, TAKING THE FOR OF A BONDSERVANT, AND COMING IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became OBEDIENT to the point of death, even the death of the cross." Phil 2:5-8 NKJ

[Gerr]

Originally Posted By: Richard Holbrook

Works won't save you, but they can cause you to be lost.

Your works indicate the type of gospel accepted....Works of law will prove one's faith a sham...works of faith will prove one's faith....not his goodness...

RE: "Works of faith." Will a believer who does "works of faith" continue to steal? Kill? Fornicate? Bear false witness? Bow to idols? Or does he become OBEDIENT by faith? i.e. stop breaking the law?

[Woody]

No they couldn't you cheap grace propagandist

For sure we don't need name calling.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Richard Holbrook

Works won't save you, but they can cause you to be lost.

Your works indicate the type of gospel accepted....Works of law will prove one's faith a sham...works of faith will prove one's faith....not his goodness...

Preach it brother. Preach it.

TU

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

Then why would Jesus add this?

"...Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption"1 Corinthians 1:29-31 NKJV

If Jesus gave us justification only, as needed, why did He find it necessary to provide righteousness and sanctification and redemption? [/quote']

"In Christ" we have all 3 things: justification, sanctification and glorification. That's the imputed righteousness of Christ.

Proof? Okay:

Justification: Romans 5:18 "So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men."

Sanctification: Hebrews 10:9 "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." ... 10 By that will [His doing & dying] we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Glorification: Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love [agape] with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus....Col 1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

Well said. We were sanctified through what Christ did .... not what WE do through Him now.

[Guest]

He gave His Son to die for them, that they might be sanctified through obedience to the truth, divested of all the littleness of self. From them He requires a personal work, a personal surrender. God can be honored by those who profess to believe in Him, only as they are conformed to His image and controlled by His Spirit. {AA 559.3}

[Guest]

True sanctification means perfect love, perfect obedience, perfect conformity to the will of God. We are to be sanctified to God through obedience to the truth {AA 565}

[Twilight]

True sanctification means perfect love, perfect obedience, perfect conformity to the will of God. We are to be sanctified to God through obedience to the truth {AA 565}

Nice quote. :-)

One that shows the idea that sanctification is all done when you accept Jesus, is error. :-)

Mark

[Woody]

Quote:

One that shows the idea that sanctification is all done when you accept Jesus, is error.

Personally .... I've never heard anyone say that sanctification is done when you accept Jesus. However .... you ARE sanctified. That is a done deal.

[John317]

Quote:

One that shows the idea that sanctification is all done when you accept Jesus, is error.

Personally .... I've never heard anyone say that sanctification is done when you accept Jesus. However .... you ARE sanctified. That is a done deal.

The Bible uses the word "sanctified" in two ways: we are set apart (sanctified, 1 Cor. 1: 2) as God's own possession the moment that God justifies us; but then there comes the process of being sanctified (Heb. 2: 11) that lasts as long as life itself, or until Christ returns.

[Just*]

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. Heb 10:10

the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, Heb 10:29

to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, 1 Cor 1:2

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1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Woody]

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. Heb 10:10

the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, Heb 10:29

to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, 1 Cor 1:2

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1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Excellent. It just seems that some here do not want to acknowledge these scripture.

ANd yes John317 ... you are right and accurate. Thank you.

[Musicman1228]

I just checked the last two pages (6,7) of this thread and found only one reference to a Bible text that wasn't from either Paul, EGW, or the unknown writer of Hebrews, and that was from Revelation (thank God).

Why is it that virtually NO ONE on this thread will use the words of Jesus Christ as found in Matthew, Mark or John to show how sanctification works? Get a grip, people, and go directly to the source of Truth. If you are going to use an intermediary then at least prove the point by quoting Jesus Christ. It seems only fair.

[Guest]

Just because you wish people would throw away 1/3 of their Bible, dosn't mean they will. You need to come to grips with that.

[Musicman1228]

Richard,

You just reproached me for 'throwing away 1/3 of the Bible', yet you almost never use the 1/3 that has the words of Jesus Christ in it. Why is that? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

And I don't 'wish' people would throw away any of the Bible; what I wish is that people wouldn't check their brains at the door when they go to study it. The Bible is a tremendously valuable tool in searching for and finding the Truth. It contains Truth and Lies, just as the field does that contains the Wheat and the Tares. It is up to us to discover which is which. God does not come right out and tell us what is Truth and what is lies, but if we will look first to the words of Jesus Christ and compare everything and anything that anyone else says against that standard THEN WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH.

The most difficult task in doing that is being completely honest with yourself. It is for this reason that most people will never find the The Way, The Truth and The Life.

[shadow]

Amen!

[Guest]

Richard,

You just reproached me for 'throwing away 1/3 of the Bible', yet you almost never use the 1/3 that has the words of Jesus Christ in it.

That's not true. And one would have to check their brain at the door to allow you to tell them which part of the Bible should be used, and which part is no good.

[LifeHiscost]

"In Christ" we have all 3 things: justification, sanctification and glorification. That's the imputed righteousness of Christ.

Proof? Okay:

Justification: Romans 5:18 "So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men."

Sanctification: Hebrews 10:9 "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." ... 10 By that will [His doing & dying] we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Glorification: Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love [agape] with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus....Col 1:13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

No argument there. And since sanctification is the works evident in the body of the believer, those works being from God are the righteousness of God.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10 NASB New Covenant Words

And if those deeds are not the deeds received of Christ, done in the servants body, then they are deeds as filthy rags and fail to meet the test for the kingdom.

BTW Sanctification is the imparted righteousness of Christ.

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Quote:

One that shows the idea that sanctification is all done when you accept Jesus, is error.

Personally .... I've never heard anyone say that sanctification is done when you accept Jesus. However .... you ARE sanctified. That is a done deal.

The Bible uses the word "sanctified" in two ways: we are set apart (sanctified, 1 Cor. 1: 2) as God's own possession the moment that God justifies us; but then there comes the process of being sanctified (Heb. 2: 11) that lasts as long as life itself, or until Christ returns.

And if one is practicing unholiness, one cannot be set apart for a holy purpose.

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Richard,

You just reproached me for 'throwing away 1/3 of the Bible', yet you almost never use the 1/3 that has the words of Jesus Christ in it. Why is that? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Well it could be that these words are taken seriously and the thoughts and words of Jesus are spoken by those who lend themselves to the Christ that dwells in them.

".....men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."2 Peter 1:21 NASB

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth...."

Blessings!