Jesus is coming soon...

[oldsailor29]

Yes Jesus is coming soon, and someone asked me if I like Obama? Well, nothing personal against him, but I think he is a lot like several of the previous presidents. What I mean by that is, all of the recent presidents have been working for the federal reserve. The federal reserve, established almost a hundred years ago, has never done anything that was good for the people, but always what was good for the bankers who own it. They are the people in America who are behind the push toward one world government. We the people had no choice but to elect a president who was in their pocket. All of the presidential candidates in recent years, both Democrats and Republicans, have been their men.. I am sure all of the presidential candidates since Reagan have been the banker's men, and I'm not sure Reagan wasn't. I think probably all the presidents since Eisenhower were Federal Reserve men.

Our government is full of corruption. And if you like Obama, I'm sorry, but he comes from one of the most corrupt places in the world, Chicago. People ask where he got all the money to do all the stuff he did before becoming president. I think it came from the Council on Foreign Relations, which is the political arm of the federal reserve. That's just a guess. It may have come from several corrupt organizations, like acorn, or some religious organization. I doubt that Obama is working for the Muslims, because they are opposed to the world bankers, and Obama is doing things that the world bankers want done.

Wait a minute. Let me reconsider that.

Both the Muslims and the world bankers want total control of the world. Wouldn't it be ironic if they were actually working together? But that might be the way it is. Muslims control large oil reserves, and the world bankers control lots of money. And one item on the world bankers agenda is thinning the population by killing lots of innocent people. And that is the way Muslim terrorists are operating. Obama is working for the bankers, and he is setting the terrorists free. Wow! I just thought of that. I always thought they were enemies, but now it makes sense that they are actually working together. The people with the most oil are working together with the people who have the most money, to enslave the rest of us.

As I said at the beginning, I have nothing personal against Obama, because he is just the latest in a long line of presidents, working for the bankers. I was wondering why the Muslims were not trying to assassinate him, but that must be the reason. They are working with the federal reserve bank and the world bankers.

Excuse me for thinking on the keyboard here, but I think I may have stumbled onto something. Talk about hands across the sea, and east meets west. This is prophecy! One of the world ecumenical Christian churches will join forces with the Muslims and the world bankers who are spiritualists, in the formation of the evil trinity and one world government.

That leaves the other Christian world church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, enfeebled and defective as it is, to be the only representative of God on this planet. Ellen White was right. The SDA church will continue to be the only world church upon whom God bestows His supreme regard on this earth, right on through the great tribulation to the end.

This is a new slant on an old prophecy though. The old interpretation had the Protestants linking hands with the Catholics and Spiritualists. But this new interpretation is bigger and covers more of the world, and includes a worldwide Eastern religion, a worldwide Western religion, and the Luciferian world bankers. I don't know why I thought of this, except it just sort of evolved in my answer to the question. I'm not that interested in eschatological prophecies. I'm more interested in what happens after the end of the great controversy. But it did come to me, into my mind today, and now it is what I believe.

Oh, do you want to know another recent insight I had? We have often read Revelation 7, about the 144,000 and the great multitude. Well, I just happened to be reading something else in my interlinear Greek/English Bible when a question came up about that text. So I just turned to it, and read it, and it was clear as day right there in the literal translation, why the great multitude cannot be numbered. The great multitude cannot be numbered in the vision, because there they are seen coming out of the great tribulation and have not all arrived yet. In the literal translation the verb, coming, is present tense, where several other translations have it in the past tense, came. I saw immediately why that has been a question for so long, and why so many Bible students have passed it off, saying that John saw such a great number of people that he couldn't count all of them. It was a missed translation of a verb tense. I just thought you might be interested in that.

[Twilight]

Yes Jesus is coming soon, and someone asked me if I like Obama? Well, nothing personal against him, but I think he is a lot like several of the previous presidents. What I mean by that is, all of the recent presidents have been working for the federal reserve. The federal reserve, established almost a hundred years ago, has never done anything that was good for the people, but always what was good for the bankers who own it. They are the people in America who are behind the push toward one world government. We the people had no choice but to elect a president who was in their pocket. All of the presidential candidates in recent years, both Democrats and Republicans, have been their men.. I am sure all of the presidential candidates since Reagan have been the banker's men, and I'm not sure Reagan wasn't. I think probably all the presidents since Eisenhower were Federal Reserve men.

Our government is full of corruption. And if you like Obama, I'm sorry, but he comes from one of the most corrupt places in the world, Chicago. People ask where he got all the money to do all the stuff he did before becoming president. I think it came from the Council on Foreign Relations, which is the political arm of the federal reserve. That's just a guess. It may have come from several corrupt organizations, like acorn, or some religious organization. I doubt that Obama is working for the Muslims, because they are opposed to the world bankers, and Obama is doing things that the world bankers want done.

Wait a minute. Let me reconsider that.

Both the Muslims and the world bankers want total control of the world. Wouldn't it be ironic if they were actually working together? But that might be the way it is. Muslims control large oil reserves, and the world bankers control lots of money. And one item on the world bankers agenda is thinning the population by killing lots of innocent people. And that is the way Muslim terrorists are operating. Obama is working for the bankers, and he is setting the terrorists free. Wow! I just thought of that. I always thought they were enemies, but now it makes sense that they are actually working together. The people with the most oil are working together with the people who have the most money, to enslave the rest of us.

As I said at the beginning, I have nothing personal against Obama, because he is just the latest in a long line of presidents, working for the bankers. I was wondering why the Muslims were not trying to assassinate him, but that must be the reason. They are working with the federal reserve bank and the world bankers.

Excuse me for thinking on the keyboard here, but I think I may have stumbled onto something. Talk about hands across the sea, and east meets west. This is prophecy! One of the world ecumenical Christian churches will join forces with the Muslims and the world bankers who are spiritualists, in the formation of the evil trinity and one world government.

That leaves the other Christian world church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, enfeebled and defective as it is, to be the only representative of God on this planet. Ellen White was right. The SDA church will continue to be the only world church upon whom God bestows His supreme regard on this earth, right on through the great tribulation to the end.

This is a new slant on an old prophecy though. The old interpretation had the Protestants linking hands with the Catholics and Spiritualists. But this new interpretation is bigger and covers more of the world, and includes a worldwide Eastern religion, a worldwide Western religion, and the Luciferian world bankers. I don't know why I thought of this, except it just sort of evolved in my answer to the question. I'm not that interested in eschatological prophecies. I'm more interested in what happens after the end of the great controversy. But it did come to me, into my mind today, and now it is what I believe.

Oh, do you want to know another recent insight I had? We have often read Revelation 7, about the 144,000 and the great multitude. Well, I just happened to be reading something else in my interlinear Greek/English Bible when a question came up about that text. So I just turned to it, and read it, and it was clear as day right there in the literal translation, why the great multitude cannot be numbered. The great multitude cannot be numbered in the vision, because there they are seen coming out of the great tribulation and have not all arrived yet. In the literal translation the verb, coming, is present tense, where several other translations have it in the past tense, came. I saw immediately why that has been a question for so long, and why so many Bible students have passed it off, saying that John saw such a great number of people that he couldn't count all of them. It was a missed translation of a verb tense. I just thought you might be interested in that.

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

Mark

[Lutz13]

Right!

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."(2 Peter 1:20)

[oldsailor29]

Right!

Originally Posted By: Twilight

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."(2 Peter 1:20)

Well, I didn't keep it to myself, so it ain't so private anymore now is it? Besides that, my wife agrees with me. How many of you can say that? :smilewink:

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Lutz13

Right!

"Knowing this first' date=' that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."(2 Peter 1:20) [/quote']

Well, I didn't keep it to myself, so it ain't so private anymore now is it? Besides that, my wife agrees with me. How many of you can say that? :smilewink:

How could I, I have never spoken to her?

Is it the case that exposition of the bible is reliant on a spouses agreement?

That would make for some interesting theology...

Mark

[oldsailor29]

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

When a world-wide eastern religion and big oil, and a world-wide western religion and most of her branches, join forces with the world-wide spiritualist organization of the world bankers to form the one-world government, that is hands across the sea in a world-wide fulfillment of prophecy.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

When a world-wide eastern religion and big oil, and a world-wide western religion and most of her branches, join forces with the world-wide spiritualist organization of the world bankers to form the one-world government, that is hands across the sea in a world-wide fulfillment of prophecy.

But you do not know that is a fact... :-)

[Lutz13]

Originally Posted By: Twilight

You might want to be cautious about calling an "idea" a fulfillment of prophecy. :-)

When a world-wide eastern religion and big oil, and a world-wide western religion and most of her branches, join forces with the world-wide spiritualist organization of the world bankers to form the one-world government, that is hands across the sea in a world-wide fulfillment of prophecy.

Are you even aware of where the worlds largest oil deposit sits?

[oldsailor29]

Are you even aware of where the worlds largest oil deposit sits?

Oh I donno, North Dakota?

[Woody]

We need to define 'sits'.

[Lutz13]

Originally Posted By: Lutz13

Are you even aware of where the worlds largest oil deposit sits?

Oh I donno, North Dakota?

Actually, the worlds largest is supposed to be under the Rockies. The problem though is that they don't know how to gather it all. It is supposed to be around 1.5 to 1.8 trillion barrels worth. Then second is in Canada.

And as far as what is going to put us into the time of trouble. That is all speculation until it truly happens. There are plenty of well written theories, and that is all they are. I would suggest watching the lecture videos that Walter Vieth does. They are very interesting and really bring a lot of questions to mind.

[Lutz13]

Ultimately, I believe this is what He is waiting on.

Quote:

This is the "sign" I am looking for.

In my own experience and in others.

Are there amongst Gods people that are learning how to overcome in Christ's strength.

If there are, then this prophecy is on its way to fulfillment.

And I believe it is happening in many peoples experience.

Victory is becoming a reality through primitive practical Godliness.

That means we should sit up and take notice...

Jesus is waiting for His people to learn how to overcome.

When they do, He is coming back...

Thoughts?

Mark

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."(2 Peter 3:9)

[Woody]

Quote:

And as far as what is going to put us into the time of trouble. That is all speculation until it truly happens. There are plenty of well written theories, and that is all they are. I would suggest watching the lecture videos that Walter Vieth does. They are very interesting and really bring a lot of questions to mind.

Ultimately ... there are lots of much better things to fill our minds with. We need to be ready NOW. We don't need to spend our time trying to figure out when Jesus is going to come. What a waste. I would recommend spending a thoughtful hour each day on the life of Christ.

[oldsailor29]

Ultimately ... there are lots of much better things to fill our minds with. We need to be ready NOW. We don't need to spend our time trying to figure out when Jesus is going to come. What a waste. I would recommend spending a thoughtful hour each day on the life of Christ.

I totally agree. I do not spend a lot of time thinking about end time prophecies. That is what I meant when I said "I'm not that interested in eschatological prophecies. I'm more interested in what happens after the end of the great controversy."

And as far as trying to determine the date when Jesus will return, Yes I agree, it is a waste of time. But when facts suddenly fit together like a jigsaw puzzle and add up to a fulfillment of a familiar prophecy, I have to take notice and put it on a "candlestick," which means to bear testimony. That's the way this came to me this morning, and now it is what I believe. And here is a short summary.

Both the Muslims and the world bankers want total control of the world. Wouldn't it be ironic if they were actually working together? But that might be the way it is.

Muslims control large oil reserves, and the world bankers control lots of money. And one item on the world bankers agenda is thinning the population by killing lots of innocent people. And that is the way Muslim terrorists are operating.

President Obama is working for the bankers, and he is setting the terrorists free. Wow! I just thought of that. I always thought they were enemies, but now it makes sense that they are actually working together. The people with the most oil are working together with the people who have the most money, to enslave the rest of us.

Talk about hands across the sea, and east meets west. This is prophecy! One of the world ecumenical Christian churches will join forces with the Muslims and the world bankers who are spiritualists, in the formation of the evil trinity and one world government.

That leaves the other Christian world church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, enfeebled and defective as it is, to be the only representative of God on this planet. Ellen White was right. The SDA church will continue to be the only world church upon whom God bestows His supreme regard on this earth, right on through the great tribulation to the end.

This is a new slant on an old prophecy though. The old interpretation had the Protestants linking hands with the Catholics and Spiritualists. But this new interpretation is bigger and covers more of the world, and includes a worldwide Eastern religion, a worldwide Western religion, and the Luciferian (Satan worshippers) world bankers.

[Musicman1228]

John317,

What you wrote rings a bell of alarm with me, so thank you. While I disagree with you that we should not spend much time trying to figure out when Jesus will return I also believe that prophecy will speak out at just the right time to just the right people so that they can make a difference in an indifferent world.

Here is where I am going with your idea; Yes it is the world bankers and the Muslim terrorist that are working hand in hand to enslave the world, but it is not the Christian churches that are where the World bankers come from, it is from the half-brother of the Muslims, namely the Jews. In this way both sons of Abraham are intimately involved in end time prophecy, Israel for the Jews, and Ishmael for the Muslims. Rather than operating at cross purposes as is being presented in the media they are actually working hand in hand with each other to set up rulership of the entire world under their dominion.

The World banks are controlled mostly by Jewish interests and have been since the middle ages and the Templars. This amalgamation of the two brothers of Abraham is not something that they want advertised, because if it was widely known and believed they would be stopped in their centuries old progress toward world control. One of the most insidious deceptions of Satan is to get the Christian churches to look elsewhere while this is going on right under their noses. And where do you suppose it is that this deception is causing people interested in prophecy to look? Why to Rome of course. If this evil brother combination can get Rome to take the fall for all of the evils in the world they will be left alone to work sub-rosa in affecting the eventual take over of the governments of the world.

That is a terrific reason to take another look at who the wounded head is in Rev. 13. Remember it is only one of seven heads or religious authorities that will rule the world under the auspices of Satan. It makes a lot of sense to me that this wounded head would be the religion of the Jews rather than Catholicism, especially with your insightful perspective on the combination of the world banks and terrorists acting hand in hand.

Who more appropriate than the descendants of the brother Israel and Ishmael to try to pull this off. They are even spelled the same except for the letter substitution 'hm' for 'r'. In fact, phonetically if you combine 'hm' and 'r' together you get 'hammer', which is what is going to stike the the world when this beast finally rears it ugly head during the Great Tribulation.

So thank, John317, for your insight. You may not go along with my analysis but you must admit that what you have come up with will stir the thoughts of many on this forum to further study.

[Lutz13]

John317,

What you wrote rings a bell of alarm with me, so thank you. While I disagree with you that we should not spend much time trying to figure out when Jesus will return I also believe that prophecy will speak out at just the right time to just the right people so that they can make a difference in an indifferent world.

Here is where I am going with your idea; Yes it is the world bankers and the Muslim terrorist that are working hand in hand to enslave the world, but it is not the Christian churches that are where the World bankers come from, it is from the half-brother of the Muslims, namely the Jews. In this way both sons of Abraham are intimately involved in end time prophecy, Israel for the Jews, and Ishmael for the Muslims. Rather than operating at cross purposes as is being presented in the media they are actually working hand in hand with each other to set up rulership of the entire world under their dominion.

The World banks are controlled mostly by Jewish interests and have been since the middle ages and the Templars. This amalgamation of the two brothers of Abraham is not something that they want advertised, because if it was widely known and believed they would be stopped in their centuries old progress toward world control. One of the most insidious deceptions of Satan is to get the Christian churches to look elsewhere while this is going on right under their noses. And where do you suppose it is that this deception is causing people interested in prophecy to look? Why to Rome of course. If this evil brother combination can get Rome to take the fall for all of the evils in the world they will be left alone to work sub-rosa in affecting the eventual take over of the governments of the world.

That is a terrific reason to take another look at who the wounded head is in Rev. 13. Remember it is only one of seven heads or religious authorities that will rule the world under the auspices of Satan. It makes a lot of sense to me that this wounded head would be the religion of the Jews rather than Catholicism, especially with your insightful perspective on the combination of the world banks and terrorists acting hand in hand.

Who more appropriate than the descendants of the brother Israel and Ishmael to try to pull this off. They are even spelled the same except for the letter substitution 'hm' for 'r'. In fact, phonetically if you combine 'hm' and 'r' together you get 'hammer', which is what is going to stike the the world when this beast finally rears it ugly head during the Great Tribulation.

So thank, John317, for your insight. You may not go along with my analysis but you must admit that what you have come up with will stir the thoughts of many on this forum to further study.

MM, maybe you are not aware, but most of the Christian world does look over at Israel. Yet SDA's don't. So could it be that you have it backwards? Satan wants everyone to focus on Israel, while Rome does her thing? Because as of right now, that seems to be the case.

[Guest]

Check your glasses musicman, John317 didn't say any of that. It was oldsailor29.

[Musicman1228]

Sorry, your right Richard. Not only do I need new glasses but I need a new left eye, as the one I have was destroyed by chemo therapy (interferon-a) that I had to have for malignant melanoma.

[Musicman1228]

Lutz13,

Could be, time will tell.

[Woody]

Sorry, your right Richard. Not only do I need new glasses but I need a new left eye, as the one I have was destroyed by chemo therapy (interferon-a) that I had to have for malignant melanoma.

How sad. Sorry to hear this Musicman. Hey ... if you are ever in my area .... come and visit me and my dog. He's blind but does a great job or driving around.

[oldsailor29]

I am sitting on my patio

[Musicman1228]

I'm OK with my one bad eye, that is why God gave me a spare. It will give me just that much more to praise God for when I am healed when He comes to those of the Kingdom that are ready and waiting for Him. What a day that will be. Who knows, maybe I'll get a full head of hair as well. Either that or maybe I already have a perfect head and the rest of you will have my hair style. LOL.