The Blood is Powerful

[Guest]

The Blood

One night in a church service a young woman felt the tug of God at her heart.

She responded to God's call and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior.

The young woman had a very rough past, involving alcohol, drugs, and prostitution.

But, the change in her was evident. As time went on she became a faithful member of the church.

She eventually became involved in the ministry, teaching young children.

It was not very long until this faithful young woman had caught the eye and heart of the pastor's son.

The relationship grew and they began to make wedding plans.

This is when the problems began.

You see, about one half of the church did not think that a woman with a past such as hers was suitable for a pastor's son.

The church began to argue and fight about the matter.

So they decided to have a meeting.

As the people made their arguments and tensions increased, the meeting was getting completely out of hand.

The young woman became very upset about all the things being brought up about her past.

As she began to cry the pastor's son stood to speak.

He could not bear the pain it was causing his wife to be.

He began to speak and his statement was this:

"My fiancee's past is not what is on trial here.

What you are questioning is the ability of the blood of Jesus to wash away sin.

Today you have put the blood of Jesus on trial.

So, does it wash away sin or not?"

The whole church began to weep as they realized that they had been slandering the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Too often, even as Christians, we bring up the past and use it as a weapon against our brothers and sisters.

Forgiveness is a very foundational part of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If the blood of Jesus does not cleanse the other person completely then it cannot cleanse us completely.

If that is the case, then we are all in a lot of trouble.

What can wash away my sins?

Nothing but the blood of Jesus! End of case!!!!

"Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and he shall sustain thee he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved."

Psalm 55:23

[Musicman1228]

I feel that I now need to ask permission to make any comments on this thread or any thread on the forum. So, may I make a comment or would you rather not deal with me anymore? (And yes, it is a good story.)

[Guest]

Comment away. We're all inclusive.

[Musicman1228]

Thank you.

Is the purpose for the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away ours sins or is the purpose to pay the penalty for our sins, which validates our washing of our robes?

Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. Dan.12:10.

[Guest]

It does both.

[Woody]

Thank you.

Is the purpose for the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away ours sins or is the purpose to pay the penalty for our sins, which validates our washing of our robes?

Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. Dan.12:10.

Excellent post. Thank you. It is very clear. If God wanted to give us power to overcome ... He could do that without spilling blood.

[Guest]

Excellent post. Thank you. It is very clear. If God wanted to give us power to overcome ... He could do that without spilling blood.

So you're saying then, that God dosn't want to give us power to overcome?

[Woody]

You make a lot of assumptions Richard. But being the accepting kind of Christian that I am. I will just let it slid and let you believe as you want. Your kind of questions just don't deserve an answer. They are just bait for an argument.

[Guest]

I didn't assume anything. I asked a question.

[phkrause]

That was very good Richard, I enjoyed that. I think I almost cried. I really felt for the woman. Now maybe this story should be applied to one of the threads on this forum. Because in about 2 weeks or so many are going to do just that.

pk

[Guest]

Do just what?

[Musicman1228]

It is my understanding that the blood of Jesus Christ was payment for the forgiven sins of the Kingdom of Heaven. That was the purpose of the example of the Sanctuary Service described in the Pentatuch. The confessed (forgiven) sins of the Kingdom (spiritual Israel) were laid on the head of the perfect (Passover) Lamb of God, who was then executed to pay the penalty for those forgiven sins. It is for that reason that Jesus said that you must be in the Kingdom to be saved (John 3:3,5).

According to my understanding of what Jesus taught the blood of Jesus was not designed to permanently forgive sins (once saved always saved), or to forgive the sins of the world unless the world became part of the Kingdom of Heaven (the sheepfold is the Kingdom, anything outside of the sheepfold is the world). In order to enter the sheep fold (the Kingdom) you must be born again and taken out of the world, and through Jesus (the door) go into the sheep fold. Inside the Kingdom there can be no sin. The world is where sin is, and where the sins on the goat of removal took the sins of the Kingdom.

This means that a person's sins and the sins of the corporate Kingdom must be removed, and that is done by personal and corporate confession of sin as on the Day of Atonement in Israel. This is what is taking place right now in the Heavenly Sanctuary through Jesus our High Priest.

The bottom line for me is that there seems to be both a personal component and a corporate component to the removal of sin, and that is achieved by and through the process of replacing the lies in ones life with the truth through the process of Sanctification. Without the blood of the perfect, sinless Passover Lamb (Jesus) no amount of Sanctification would make any difference, because the death penalty (second death) would still be enforced as a function of the Law.

Praise God for the blood of Jesus Christ, that paid the penalty for my sin.

[Guest]

I believe we can agree on that. And of course there is no once saved always saved.

[olger]

Enthusiastic Amen from,

`ol Ger

[Woody]

The hub bub about once saved always saved is a joke. Have you ever honestly ever met a Seventh day Adventist who believes in it? No. It is just a fabricated accusation made. But in reality ... it really does not exist.

Bottom line is that Salvation is there for all to grasp. ALL are saved by the blood. Once you accept it ... you are saved till you decide that you no longer want it. At that point ... God will not force you to be saved.

[Woody]

Happy Sabbath. But don't interupt the preacher whilest he b preachin'. You see this is my only opportunity to preach. Me mate does the preachin' in the real world. I have to do it in the cyber-world.

[oldsailor29]

The hub bub about once saved always saved is a joke. Have you ever honestly ever met a Seventh day Adventist who believes in it? No. It is just a fabricated accusation made. But in reality ... it really does not exist.

Bottom line is that Salvation is there for all to grasp. ALL are saved by the blood. Once you accept it ... you are saved till you decide that you no longer want it. At that point ... God will not force you to be saved.

agreed.

[teresaq]

in poking around in the pioneer writings i see that they stress the life is in the blood when addressing this subject

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The person who had committed sin brought his victim to the door of the tabernacle. Upon the head of this victim he placed his hand for a moment, and, as we may reasonably infer, confessed over him his sin. By this expressive act he signified that he had sinned, and was worthy of death, but that in his stead he consecrated his victim, and transferred his guilt to it. With his own hand (and what must have been his emotions!) he then took the life of his victim on account of that guilt. The law demanded the life of the transgressor for his disobedience; the life is in the blood (Lev.17:11,14); hence without the shedding of blood, there is no remission; with the shedding of blood, remission is possible; for the demand of life by the law is thus satisfied. The blood of the victim, representative of a forfeited life, and the vehicle of its guilt, was then taken by the priest and ministered before the Lord. {1897 UrS, DAR 196.2}

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Why is the shedding of blood so necessary that there can be no remission without it? Ans. Because the life is in the blood, and the penalty of the law demands the life of the transgressor if therefore a substitute be accepted, it must be one that has blood to shed; hence all the sin-offerings were bleeding victims. This is the reason why the blood, in all cases, was required to make an atonement for the sins of the people. Hear the testimony of God himself: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar, to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Lev. xvii, 11. If the penalty of sin be death, and the life of the victim be accepted as an atonement for sin, it follows, as a necessary consequence, that the sacrifice of the beast is vicarious. Also verse 14. "For it is the life of all flesh, the blood of it is for the life thereof." Again in Deut. xii, 23. "Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh." In all these instances the life of the animal is not only required, but actually accepted instead of the life of the believing, repenting sinner. But it may be objected, that the principal sacrifices of the Jewish dispensation were only typical, looking forward to Christ for their efficacy; that they could not, in themselves, take away sin. This may be admitted without impairing the argument in the least; for if the typical sacrifices took away sin by figure, then their antitype must take them away in fact: and if those were vicarious by figure, then this must be vicarious in fact. {1854 JMS, ATO 100.3}

the messenger of the Lord says:

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The sacrificial offerings were ordained by God to be to man a perpetual reminder and a penitential acknowledgment of his sin and a confession of his faith in the promised Redeemer. They were intended to impress upon the fallen race the solemn truth that it was sin that caused death. To Adam, the offering of the first sacrifice was a most painful ceremony. His hand must be raised to take life, which only God could give. It was the first time he had ever witnessed death, and he knew that had he been obedient to God, there would have been no death of man or beast. As he slew the innocent victim, he trembled at the thought that his sin must shed the blood of the spotless Lamb of God. This scene gave him a deeper and more vivid sense of the greatness of his transgression, which nothing but the death of God's dear Son could expiate. And he marveled at the infinite goodness that would give such a ransom to save the guilty. A star of hope illumined the dark and terrible future and relieved it of its utter desolation. {PP 68.1}

i dont know if this adds to or takes away from the discussion. :)

[pnattmbtc]

If God wanted to give us power to overcome ... He could do that without spilling blood.(ellipses original)

How? (i.e., How could God have given us the power to overcome without Christ having died?)

[Musicman1228]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

If God wanted to give us power to overcome ... He could do that without spilling blood.(ellipses original)

How? (i.e., How could God have given us the power to overcome without Christ having died?)

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. Rev.3:21.

The conquering here is overcoming. Jesus showed us how to overcome so that we could overcome as he did. His reward is to sit on His Father's throne with Him. Our reward will be to sit on His throne with Him.

He does not overcome for us. Overcome what? Sin, of course. Jesus became sanctified to show us how to become sanctified. He does not sanctify us by downloading righteousness into us, that is our job. He did for us that which we cannot do for ourselves, and that is die forever to pay the penalty for the sin of disobedience.

Jesus died so that our overcoming sin would matter, not so that we would not have to overcome at all.

[Guest]

We have to overcome the same way he did. By the power of the Holy Spirit. But that is a gift. Without it you couldn't even want to overcome.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom 2:4

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Act 5:31

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Eze 36:26

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Luk 11:13

[Guest]

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:11

The blood is also a gift. He didn't have to die for you, or me.

[Guest]

There is power in the word itself to overcome.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Jhn 17:17

[wayfinder]

Richard, Amen

[Guest]

Richard, Amen

I wasn't expecting that.