Let the Truth set us free by P. Barkhuizen

[Guest]

The woman sitting on the scarlet beast is the whore. Satan's people.

The offspring is generation after generation of God's true followers. Born of God's truth. Which his true church has.

[Guest]

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.

[wayfinder]

Like I said Richard, you make me smile.

So Aholah and Aholibah are not whores because they are God's people.

[Guest]

You asked about the woman on the scarlet beast.

[wayfinder]

Yes I did, but in the context of the symbol of a woman in prophecy. Teresaq said that a woman always represents God's people and offered Aholibah and Aholah as examples both of whom God calls whores.

[teresaq]

it does appear that "woman" symbolizes Gods people. either they stay true or have gone bad...

[Guest]

The woman sitting on the scarlet beast is the whore. Satan's people.

The offspring is generation after generation of God's true followers. Born of God's truth. Which his true church has.

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

[teresaq]

The only texts in my post that are prophecy is Revelation 12, Genesis 1 and John 3 are definately not prophecy. The other point is that God likened His people to a wife, His wife, so how else would He describe His people other than as a woman. If God uses a woman to symbolize His people than how would you explain the woman of Revelation 17 who is sitting on the scarlet beast?

Another thing, if the Woman of Revelation 12 represents God's people than who are her offspring?

do you mean offspring as in plural or singular?

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

[oldsailor29]

God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. {8T 268}

Just because I am my Father's son, does not make me inferior to him.

I believe God, the Father, is a revelation of the one infinite God which demonstrates His power as all powerful. This finite revelation is seen by all creation in light unapproachable. Unapproachable because if we were to approach Him, it would mean instant death.

I believe God, the Son, is another revelation of the one infinite God which demonstrates His love. To angels He appears as another angel. To man He appears as another man. He appeared as a baby, from the womb of Mary. He walked among men as a child and a man, God in the flesh.

These are two objective revelations of the one infinite God which are both necessary in order for us to have any hope of the slightest understanding of Him. But we also need a subjective revelation of the one infinite God.

I believe God, The Holy Spirit, is the subjective revelation of the one infinite God. He speaks to each of us according to our life experiences, and empowers us according to our needs, the needs of others, and according to His will.

I believe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each equally a revelation of the one infinite God, who stands outside of time and space, where we cannot go. Those three designations come from human language, and not one of the three names fully defines the one to which it belongs. But I like the illustration of the one infinite God, standing outside of time and space, poking three of His fingers in. One is God, the Father, in our human language. One is God, the Son, in our human language. The other finger is God, the Holy Spirit, in our human language. All three fingers are revelations of the one infinite God, all equal, all infinite, all one in nature, character, thought, power, and purpose. All without beginning and without end, forever and ever, amen.

[teresaq]

so basically you are of the "oneness" belief. im running into not a few sda believers in that. :)

[wayfinder]

Revelation 17:18 "The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth."

The angel told John that the "woman" was the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth, she is the mother of harlots and whores ans abominations.

Ezekiel 16:57 NAS

before your wickedness was uncovered, so now you have become the reproach of the daughters of Edom and of all who are around her, of the daughters of the Philistines -those surrounding you who despise you

Ezekiel 32:18 NAS

"Son of man, wail for the hordes of Egypt and bring it down, her and the daughters of the powerful nations, to the nether world, with those who go down to the pit

It appears that the "woman" symbol represents nations, which include the nation (people) of God.

Jesus stated very clearly that it is the Holy Spirit that gives birth to the people of God, read John 3:1-21

[Guest]

Jesus stated very clearly that it is the Holy Spirit that gives birth to the people of God, read John 3:1-21

He is talking about rebirth. Being born again.

[oldsailor29]

so basically you are of the "oneness" belief. im running into not a few sda believers in that.

im not familiar with the designation "oneness" belief. does it refer to "aesthetic realism?" If so, i have heard of that, "reality is the oneness of opposites." if it means i believe Jesus when He said, "I and my Father are one," yes i do believe that. i believe all references like father/son and bride/groom are metaphorical. in other words, Jesus is God.

[Guest]

So was Jesus talking to himself when the heavens opened and the dove came down, and the voice said "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased?

[oldsailor29]

So was Jesus talking to himself when the heavens opened and the dove came down, and the voice said "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased?

one in nature, character, thought, power, and purpose, so I reckon one could say that.

[Fausto]

I thank old sailor for bringing back the thread to its original intent!

Some people tend to deviate and start "theories" which are not exactly biblical!

I start to wonder whether itws right of me to post Barkhuizen's cahpter 1 here, and I'd liek to post chapter 2. Prehpas I should start another thread as this is mainly on the Holy Spirit.

Chapter 2 deals with the Investogaitive Judgement, Daniel 8:14, 1844 and so on!

Again I'd like to rehiterate that I do not support Barkhuizen's theorizing at all in any way!

[karl]

I believe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each equally a revelation of the one infinite God, who stands outside of time and space, where we cannot go. Those three designations come from human language, and not one of the three names fully defines the one to which it belongs. But I like the illustration of the one infinite God, standing outside of time and space, poking three of His fingers in. One is God, the Father, in our human language. One is God, the Son, in our human language. The other finger is God, the Holy Spirit, in our human language. All three fingers are revelations of the one infinite God, all equal, all infinite, all one in nature, character, thought, power, and purpose. All without beginning and without end, forever and ever, amen.

Thanks for this, antiquated maritime traveler. All our efforts to put God in a box small enough to wrap our brains around are pretty much a waste of time. What He has revealed is what He has revealed. But we have to remember, as you pointed out above, that He occupies dimension(s) we are completely incognizant of and thus have no way to measure.

Actually, our efforts to measure what He HAS revealed are liable to some fairly major inaccuracies due to our finite limitations (distances in space, subatomic particles, etc.)

I recommend that we just bow down and worship. Submit ourselves to Him and obey. Any other course is pure folly.

[oldsailor29]

I thank old sailor for bringing back the thread to its original intent!

Chapter 2 deals with the Investogaitive Judgement, Daniel 8:14, 1844 and so on!

Again I'd like to rehiterate that I do not support Barkhuizen's theorizing at all in any way!

You are welcome. It is good to see some affirmation of thoughts i have borrowed from others.

I don't agree that the investigative judgment should be investigated. I want to follow EGWs first vision, (found in chapter vii of "Life Sketches") and move forward, keeping all eyes on the holy city and Jesus, who leads the way, and allow the investigative judgment and the midnight cry to light the path from behind. They were the present truth for their time, and served to help some of God's children through the great disappointment. Investigation and judgment can be seen throughout the Bible. Day for year time periods are also there, so both are Biblical concepts, and that is enough for me. The likes of Desmond Ford can deny Bible truths all day, but all to no effect on we who keep our eyes on Jesus.

[abelisle]

Exactly who died on the cross? Since God can't die, who did?

Alex

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Exactly who died on the cross? Since God can't die, who did?

Alex

Jesus did.

[Fausto]

Old Sailor

Its not so much as to investigate it, but this guy really tries to destroy this light!

And poepl are buying it so I feel we need to expose it and show why, my knowledge of theology is sometimes not eonugh to do this!

[Guest]

Originally Posted By: Fausto

I thank old sailor for bringing back the thread to its original intent!

Chapter 2 deals with the Investogaitive Judgement, Daniel 8:14, 1844 and so on!

Again I'd like to rehiterate that I do not support Barkhuizen's theorizing at all in any way!

You are welcome. It is good to see some affirmation of thoughts i have borrowed from others.

I don't agree that the investigative judgment should be investigated. I want to follow EGWs first vision, (found in chapter vii of "Life Sketches") and move forward, keeping all eyes on the holy city and Jesus, who leads the way, and allow the investigative judgment and the midnight cry to light the path from behind. They were the present truth for their time, and served to help some of God's children through the great disappointment. Investigation and judgment can be seen throughout the Bible. Day for year time periods are also there, so both are Biblical concepts, and that is enough for me. The likes of Desmond Ford can deny Bible truths all day, but all to no effect on we who keep our eyes on Jesus.

Amen oldsailor

[oldsailor29]

Exactly who died on the cross? Since God can't die, who did?

Alex

I think your presupposition (God can't die) is flawed. Apparently, God did die, but could not stay dead. Like the song, "High On Jesus" says, "ya just can't keep a good man down." I don't think it is something we are expected to understand.

Believing that Jesus is God takes faith, and separates us from existentialists, evolutionists, and Luciferians. (and also separates us from Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.)

[Guest]

The Sabbath does that.

[oldsailor29]

The Sabbath does that.

But the Sabbath is easily proven. It does not require faith.