The Shaking Time

[Guest]

That's all true, but it doesn't change the fact that true faith produces the fruit of obedience.

Rom 6:16 Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

[Robert]

That's all true, but it doesn't change the fact that true faith produces the fruit of obedience.

Imperfect obedience:

"All incense [everything we do *] from earthly tabernacles [fallen humans] must be moist with the cleansing drops of the blood of Christ. He holds before the Father the censer of His own merits, in which there is no taint of earthly corruption [iniquity: our bent to self]. He gathers into this censer the prayers, the praise, and the confessions of His people, and with these He puts His own spotless righteousness. Then, perfumed with the merits of Christ’s propitiation, the incense comes up before God wholly and entirely acceptable. Then gracious answers are returned.

O, that all may see that everything in obedience , in penitence, in praise and thanksgiving must be placed upon the glowing fire of the righteousness of Christ. The fragrance of this righteousness ascends like a cloud around the mercy seat (MS 50, 1900)."

* "The religious services, the prayers, the praise, the penitent confession of sin ascend from true believers as incense to the heavenly sanctuary"

[Woody]

AMEN

And All the People said:

AMEN 2.215

Yes folks ... I think our prophet hit that one spot on.

Thanks for bringing that to us Rob.

[MariaS]

If you love Me keep my commandment Jesus says to me..I LOVE YOU I WILL KEEP YOUR COMMANDMENT ..THAT WHAT I WILL SAY

And heaven is cheap for people who obey Him but its expensive for those who do not want to be there because of disobeydient

May this help you to think deeply..not to give excuses but to go back to the bible

[Guest]

Joh 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.

[Guest]

We tried to call up our greatest trials, but they looked so small compared with the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory that surrounded us, that we could not speak them out, and we all cried out, "Alleluia! heaven is cheap enough!" and we touched our glorious harps and made heaven's arches ring. {CET 61}

[Woody]

You two are two peas in a pod.

But I remain confused as to whether you agree or disagree with our prophet as quoted by Rob?

I pray you are not acting insouciant. Hi dAb !!!

[MariaS]

Thank you Woody for the compliment at the first part of your message.. I doubted the second part..so..NO COMMENT

[Woody]

Doubting is fine. We can agree to disagree.

[MariaS]

Doubting to a man is fine but not doubting God. I only disagree when I think its not in harmony with the written and inspired word of God. At the end of the day..our salvation is at stake when we don't listen to Him

[Woody]

Quote:

I only disagree when I think its not in harmony with the written and inspired word of God

I agree. It was a quote from Ellen White and thus ... not the word of God. But I find that she often times explains the Bible very accurately.

[teresaq]

No the Devil cannot produce good fruit. It's impossible. And we are told to look for the good fruit.

Mat 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you shall know them.

as long as we dont equate "fruit" with doctrines and beliefs we're fine.

true fruit would be behaving the way Christ did...unfortunately there is counterfeit fruit. a superficial wordy love. it says the right things-but is not lived from the heart, nor truly sought.

[MariaS]

Let us remember that if we do not heed the cautions that God gives us, a fall is before us. {OHC 307}

Those who profess godliness, yet do not heed the admonitions of the Lord, nor regulate their lives in harmony with his holy will, fasten themselves more and more firmly by chains of darkness. {2SP 287}

=The Inspired Messages=

[Guest]

true fruit would be behaving the way Christ did...unfortunately there is counterfeit fruit. a superficial wordy love. it says the right things-but is not lived from the heart, nor truly sought.

I know this is highly unusual, but I agree with you 100%.

[Woody]

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true fruit would be behaving the way Christ did

I've never seen anyone accomplishing that. But then, perhaps it's not mine to be looking at. :)

[MariaS]

Amen Teresaq, you are right.

A side notes, to bear the fruit of the spirit and righteousness is easy and we dont have to strive hard. Just stays with the vine because Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. (How can the branch bear fruit if it is cut off from the trunk/vine)

[MariaS]

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true fruit would be behaving the way Christ did

I've never seen anyone accomplishing that. But then, perhaps it's not mine to be looking at.

I have seen many people but again perfection in charecter is a long life progress. Perhaps our understanding of perfection in Christ is wrong.

If it were difficult, why was Enoch translated to heaven? why was Elijah taken on a chariot to heaven..why was Moses instead of the earthly Canan but to the heavenly Canan..

Because it is possible to achieve a progressive perfection. Not like Jesus completely but to be changed into His likeness in His grace and mercy. Not by might nor by strenth says the Lord but by My Spirit.

[Guest]

I think you have hit the nail on the head sweetheart.

[MariaS]

I did?

Amen!!!!

[teresaq]

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Because it is possible to achieve a progressive perfection. Not like Jesus completely but to be changed into His likeness in His grace and mercy. Not by might nor by strenth says the Lord but by My Spirit.

this is where we err. when we imply that we can obey, or even understand, the commandments without the Lord.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

we have to fall on the Rock and be broken...or...

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

[teresaq]

Originally Posted By: teresaq(sda)

true fruit would be behaving the way Christ did...unfortunately there is counterfeit fruit. a superficial wordy love. it says the right things-but is not lived from the heart, nor truly sought.

I know this is highly unusual, but I agree with you 100%.

true...lol...

but i have seen "evidence", in spite of much more to the contrary, that you are truly seeking the Lord. :)

[teresaq]

Amen Teresaq, you are right.

A side notes, to bear the fruit of the spirit and righteousness is easy and we dont have to strive hard. Just stays with the vine because Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. (How can the branch bear fruit if it is cut off from the trunk/vine)

again, very true!

[Guest]

Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spoke unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, says the LORD of hosts.

[Woody]

I think you have hit the nail on the head sweetheart.

In all the years that I've been on CA ... these are the most endearing terms used here yet for another member.

What is this world coming to.

[Guest]

Originally Posted By: Richard Holbrook

I think you have hit the nail on the head sweetheart.

In all the years that I've been on CA ... these are the most endearing terms used here yet for another member.