Moderators John317 Posted September 16, 2010 Moderators Posted September 16, 2010 ....I do not discount the possibility that an airplane was in fact involved. I think the evidence is convincing if not overwhelming that airplanes were involved at both the Pentagon and the crash site in Penn. The only way to avoid this fairly obvious conclusion is if one decides those videos are fiction and all the witnesses are actors or liars or maybe both. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Dr. Shane Posted September 16, 2010 Posted September 16, 2010 The real mystery is why some people believe in conspiracy theories despite the mountain of evidence that they are simply false. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Members phkrause Posted September 16, 2010 Members Posted September 16, 2010 Excellent posts Tom. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Paula Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 well tom. with Shanksville I believe the plane was shot down... it is the pentagon that I am not fully convinced of... again, why the refusal to show the footage??? Quote
Paula Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 The real mystery is why some people believe in conspiracy theories despite the mountain of evidence that they are simply false. Because: Hundreds of people, firefighters, WTC workers (from the basement) and even reporters reported hearing several explosions on the ground level of the building several minutes prior to the collapse (which supports the demolition theory). Many experts in HIGH RISE STEEL construction (I don't believe that is your area of expertise), Architects and Engineers, and even Harvard Physicists have stated that the science does not support the collapse of the towers. Eyewitnesses from Shanksville reported seeing a military plane right after flight 93 crashed. First responders to the Shanksville site reported seeing NO BODIES, and "Just a hole in the ground". Etc... etc... So my question is this... why is it that ONLY the evidence that supports the MAINSTREAM account is acceptable? Why is it that any evidence, or eyewitness account that deviates from the official story is automatically discounted as a "CONSPIRACY THEORY" ?!?!?!?! Quote
Dr. Shane Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 Yes, Tom. Excellent posts. Thanks. Those posts are like a glass of purified ice water served in a desert oasis. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Moderators John317 Posted September 17, 2010 Moderators Posted September 17, 2010 ...Hundreds of people, firefighters, WTC workers (from the basement) and even reporters reported hearing several explosions on the ground level of the building several minutes prior to the collapse (which supports the demolition theory). What other reasons are there for people hearing "explosions" on the ground level? Is it possible that they sounded like they came from the ground level? Is it possible those explosusion were the resul of the building's structures giving way and breaking and bending? Was any hard evidence uncovered from the site that proves the bulding had been destroyed by demolition? Originally Posted By: Paula Eyewitnesses from Shanksville reported seeing a military plane right after flight 93 crashed. Any further evidence that a military plane shot the passenger plane down? Has it been proved from military records that a military plane was in that area at that time? And even if a military plane shoots down a passanger plane, aren't there parts of the plane and bodies recovered? Originally Posted By: Paula First responders to the Shanksville site reported seeing NO BODIES, and "Just a hole in the ground". Are you saying that there never has been any evidence produced of human bodies and plane parts at the Shanksville sight? If that is true, what are the explanations for this that have been offered? Finally, have you heard anything about the co-pilot or pilot on this plane that crashed at Shanksville being an SDA? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted September 17, 2010 Administrators Posted September 17, 2010 The one witness in that video that relates his first impression of seeing no bodies upon first arriving on the scene is hardly evidence of no bodies or body parts being found or identified. This is of course a major part of the fallacy of these conspiracy theories. They focus on one isolated detail of one person's out of context anecdotal observation and develop a whole speculative theory on that point. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted September 17, 2010 Administrators Posted September 17, 2010 Yes, Tom. Excellent posts. Thanks. Those posts are like a glass of purified ice water served in a desert oasis. The guy, RKOwens4, that posted those has 56 videos posted on YouTube debunking the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Much of the research is from: 911myths.com wtc7lies.googlepages.com debunking911.com THe the Consiracy theory junkies have a a whole bunch of videos "debunking" the debunkers... It's like killing all the roaches and rats in NY. Mission Impossible... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Members phkrause Posted September 17, 2010 Members Posted September 17, 2010 It's like killing all the roaches and rats in NY. Mission Impossible... Hey your talking about my home town Tom. Personally I don't think you can kill all the roaches, the rats maybe, but not the roaches. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
jasd Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 QR frame: Before this thread falls off the page – allow me to provide its finial. Three buildings suffer a vertical collapse together – what are the odds? Sheesh! it is so unlikely that to even accept it strains credulity – except for, well..., except for the conspiracists who’ve accepted that scenario as, get this, plausible. What can be said – for such trusting naiveté? Nothing!—it is self-explanatory. (I wish the large-mouth Bass I fish for were so accommodatingly hooked) No offense, but a diesel tank afire, kerosene, and drywall caused three, read three, buildings to vertically collapse – symmetrically!? Okaayyy... : ( Quote
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