Do you keep ALL of the Commandments?

[Woody]

Amen

Yes Richard. Here's another:

"When the Christian takes his baptismal vow, divine help is pledged to him. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit stand ready to work in his behalf. God places at his command the resources of heaven, that he may be an overcomer." Ellen White in UL 159

[Twilight]

Just to add, it is the communion of the Holy Spirit to us and our communion with God that enables this connection.

Learning to be in constant communion with God will enable us to be dead to the Old Man.

[Woody]

it's ALL a gift from God.

Praise HIS Name.

[Twilight]

But it is appropriated by the action of the will...

[Woody]

the will to come to Him ... is a gift from God.

[Twilight]

the will to come to Him ... is a gift from God.

The will has to be exercised by the believer.

God does not take control of the will, unless it is given to Him...

And it has to be continually given to Him.

[Woody]

Even the desire to have the will from God ... COMES from God.

[Twilight]

Only then does God take the will.

But then He strengthens that will.

And gives it back to the Christian, for the Christian to exercise.

There is not one Christian who will get to heaven unless they have learned to use their will in the right way...

[Twilight]

Even the desire to have the will from God ... COMES from God.

But it does not come unless man has first chosen.

Man can only get to heaven through his own choices.

God does not make those choices for him.

[Woody]

Even the desire to go to heaven .... comes from God.

It's the work of the Holy Spirit. And is our gift from God.

[Guest]

You're both right......

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Woody

Even the desire to have the will from God ... COMES from God.

But it does not come unless man has first chosen.

[Twilight]

But is God doing "all" the work Woody?

[Woody]

"The sinner may resist [God's] love, may refuse to be drawn to Christ; but if he does not resist he will be drawn to Jesus."

Steps to Christ, page 27

[Twilight]

So there is something for man to do?

[Woody]

So there is something for man to do?

I don't see very much. It's all about God. If we don't resist ... we will be drawn.

[Woody]

What is it that you want to do Mark?

[Woody]

I just don't understand the attraction that some have to do all this work. For me ... I will depend upon God and the merits of Jesus.

[Woody]

But is God doing "all" the work Woody?

It's past tense Mark. God HAS done all the work. We don't need to depend upon the work we do. We MUST depend upon the work that Jesus has already done.

[Twilight]

But God does not do our part...

[Twilight]

There is a false theology creeping into the church that teaches that God "does it all".

I am checking that you are not caught up in the same thing?

It is often linked to the "freedom to sin" teachings.

[Woody]

What is it that you want to do Mark?

I really have to wonder ....

[Woody]

There is a false theology creeping into the church that teaches that God "does it all".

I am checking that you are not caught up in the same thing?

It is often linked to the "freedom to sin" teachings.

"Now you may cling to your righteousness, and you may think that you have tried to do about right, and that, after all, you will be saved in doing this. You cannot see that Christ does it all. "I must repent first," some say. "I must go so far on my own without Christ, and then Christ meets me and accepts me." {FW 72.3}

You cannot have a thought without Christ. You cannot have an inclination to come to Him unless He sets in motion influences and impresses His Spirit upon the human mind. And if there is a man on the face of the earth who has any inclination toward God, it is because of the many influences that are set to work to bear upon his mind and heart. Those influences call for the allegiance to God and an appreciation of the great work that God has done for him. {FW 73.1}

Then don't let us ever say that we can repent of ourselves, and then Christ will pardon. No, indeed. It is the favor of God that pardons. It is the favor of God that leads us by His power to repentance. Therefore, it is all of Jesus Christ, everything of Him, and you want to just give back glory to God." Ellen White in FW 73

[Woody]

"Believe it because it is the truth, because God says it, and lay hold upon the meritorious blood of a crucified and risen Saviour. He is your only hope, He is your righteousness, your Substitute and Surety, your all in all. When you realize that, you can bring to Him only an offering of praise. But when you are not willing to come to Christ and acknowledge that He does it all, when you feel that you must first take a few steps, and come so far, and then God will meet you; that is just exactly like Cain's offering. He did not know Jesus, and he did not know that the blood of Jesus could cleanse his sins and make his offering acceptable to God." Ellen White FW 76

[Twilight]

Does God do it all Woody?

Yes or no?

Of course if you do not want to discuss it, then you can quote statements and not make your own position clear.

In that case, I will not waste any time trying to draw your viewpoint out.