Sonny Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 When God created Adam, He did not create just one individual, but the entire human race in that one man. According to Acts 17:26, the human race is the multiplication of Adam’s life. That is why God called him Adam. In Hebrew, the word Adam, used some 510 times in the Bible, means mankind [note Gen. 5:1,2 (in the NKJV, Adam is translated Mankind)]. Therefore, just as God created all humanity in Adam, so likewise, in the incarnation, God united the life of the entire human race to Christ. This is what made the God-man Christ to be the last or 2nd Adam [read 1 Cor. 15:45]. This union did not save us but qualified Christ to be our substitute and legally represent the human race in His work of redemption. Thus, by His perfect life in our corporate humanity, which met the full demands of the law, and His sacrificial death on the cross, which met the justice of the law, God rewrote the history of mankind in Christ and changed our status from condemnation to justification. This is the good news of the everlasting gospel. [Read 1 Cor. 1:30,31.] Does this mean that because Christ actually saved the entire human race at the cross all will go to heaven? The Bible’s answer is a definite NO! As I [Jack Sequeira] explained in our last study, because we are by nature the children of Adam, all mankind inherit the condemnation he incurred at the Fall. But what God did to us in Christ is His supreme gift to mankind. And like any gift, it cannot be enjoyed if it is rejected or not received [read Rom. 5:17.] However, the objection I often face regarding this glorious truth as it is in Christ is that Paul does not apply the in Christ motif to all mankind but only to believers who have experienced the new birth. But this creates major problems. If we insist that the in Christ motif applies only to those who believe in Christ, then we have to admit that there is no hope for millions of people who, through no fault of their own, have never heard the gospel message. Further, if the in Christ motif applies only to believers, then the believer’s faith becomes a subtle from of works, since it is because of our faith that we are placed in Christ. But nowhere in Scripture do we find that we are saved because of our faith. Scripture tells us that we are saved through or by faith. Faith is only and instrument or a channel by which we receive the salvation that God has already obtained for the entire human race in Christ. Again, others condemn the in Christ motif because they conclude that if we obeyed in Christ than we become our own saviours. No way! Just as we are not guilty for Adam’s sin, the heresy of Original sin, likewise, we get no credit for Christ’s obedience. It is Christ alone who obeyed the law in our place, and died for us. But because we were in Him by God’s act, we can by faith legally claim the benefits of what He did. When it comes to our salvation, all the honor and glory goes to Christ alone [read 2 Cor. 5:18; Rom. 1:16,17]. Quote
Sonny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Posted June 4, 2011 No....I posted this from Jack's website. However, I can back this from the Bible! Quote
Just* Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 «Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us» Gal 3:13 «if one died for all, then were all dead» 2 Cor 5:14 «Who gave himself a ransom for all.» 1Timothy 2:6 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.1 John 2:2 the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.1 John 4:14 « he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him» Is 53:5 who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel 2 Timothy 1:10 Quote
Members phkrause Posted June 4, 2011 Members Posted June 4, 2011 "As I [Jack Sequeira]" This is what he's commenting to. I bolded the exact word for you. I'm pretty sure its just a typo. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 Did you just say you were Jack Sequeira? I hope he denies it. I don't think he wants his name published in the public internet waves. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 Jack wrote it...I pasted it here. Uh Ha ... Yeah Right. We know. It's okay Jack. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted June 4, 2011 Moderators Posted June 4, 2011 Justified but not saved, so in a few words, what are you saying? Quote
Gustave Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 Yes, He did..... ...Those who accept AND cooperate with the Graces God gives them. Quote
Sonny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Posted June 4, 2011 Yes, He did........Those who accept AND cooperate with the Graces God gives them. Sorry, that statement is a contradiction. Quote
Gustave Posted June 4, 2011 Posted June 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Gustave Yes, He did........Those who accept AND cooperate with the Graces God gives them. Sorry, that statement is a contradiction. In what way Sonny? Quote
Sonny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Posted June 4, 2011 Justified but not saved, so in a few words, what are you saying? The whole world was justified before God's law in the humanity of Christ. That's the reason all of us have this earthly life. As EGW states, every loaf of bread has stamped on it the cross of Christ. All men have been justified unto life in the doing and dying of Christ. Those who knowingly reject this light will fail of heaven. That's how God can save infants who died prematurely. That's how God can save those who never heard the name of Christ, yet through nature accepted what God did in Christ Jesus 2000 years ago. God has reversed the sentence we have "in Adam" (condemnation): Romans 5:18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life You see God is agape. Agape cannot force. Therefore while God has saved the human race in Christ Jesus, God will not force that on those who reject it. However, for those who receive this light and can make a knowledgeable decision, God expects faith. Faith is accepting Christ's justification by faith. Quote
Sonny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Posted June 4, 2011 In what way Sonny? What Christ did does not depend on us. Acceptance is not part of the gospel. Justification by faith is what we do to accept what God did in Christ. Quote
Scion Posted June 5, 2011 Posted June 5, 2011 I like this statement: Quote: The whole world was justified before God's law in the humanity of Christ. That's the reason all of us have this earthly life. As EGW states, every loaf of bread has stamped on it the cross of Christ. But of course, that doesn't mean everyone will be saved. Hebrews 12:14 tells us that without "holiness," none will see the Lord, so even if all men are justified by Christ's death, we must still choose to "follow ... holiness," which means obedience to God's instructions, and sanctification, so that we can endure to the end and be saved. Quote Scion
Moderators Gerr Posted June 5, 2011 Moderators Posted June 5, 2011 I look at it this way. A general amnesty was declared at the Cross, but just like during the Civil War, after Appomatox there were Rebs who continued to fight. Same way in WWII. After the termination of hostilities when the Japanese unconditional surrender was signed aboard the battleship Missouri to end the hostilities, many Japanese soldiers continued to fight, not believing that the war was really over. For every sinner, that general amnesty declared at the Cross does him no good until he stops fighting in rebellion. Quote
Musicman1228 Posted June 5, 2011 Posted June 5, 2011 Sonny said, "When God created Adam, He did not create just one individual, but the entire human race in that one man." Where did the idea come that Adam was the first created being on earth come from; certainly not from the creation account in Gen.1:26-27: Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” (27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. The word for 'man' in Hebrew is: 120 'adam aw-dawm' from 119; ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, It could mean either an individual man or the entire species, therefore it is the context that would dictate which should be used. Up until now every living thing God created was in 'teaming numbers'. God did not create one 'beast of the field', or one 'fish', He created them in their teaming numbers. His instruction was not that mankind should have dominion over 'a' fish of the sea, or over 'a' bird of the air, or over 'a' cow. The text says each of these is plural. Therefore, in context, 'adam' would of necessity be plural as well, which would indicate mankind (male and female) in their teeming multitudes as well. Adam was not formed until later, in a second creation. Quote
Sonny Posted June 5, 2011 Author Posted June 5, 2011 Where did the idea come that Adam was the first created being on earth come from; certainly not from the creation account in Gen.1:26-27: Adam was the first human being. The Bible is very clear on this. Quote
Sonny Posted June 5, 2011 Author Posted June 5, 2011 I look at it this way. A general amnesty was declared at the Cross, but just like during the Civil War, after Appomatox there were Rebs who continued to fight. Okay, with some clarification, I can buy this.... Quote
Sonny Posted June 5, 2011 Author Posted June 5, 2011 But of course, that doesn't mean everyone will be saved. Yes, I know.... Quote
Gustave Posted June 5, 2011 Posted June 5, 2011 What Christ did does not depend on us. Acceptance is not part of the gospel. Justification by faith is what we do to accept what God did in Christ. What Christ did certainly did not depend on us..... ...For Christains to take hold of this free gift REQUIRES work. Galatians 5,6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which WORKETH by love Faith w/out works is worthless. Quote
Just* Posted June 5, 2011 Posted June 5, 2011 «being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.» Tit 3:7 «Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:» Rom 3:24 «Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.» Rom 5:9 «For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:» Eph 2:8 Quote
Sonny Posted June 5, 2011 Author Posted June 5, 2011 ...For Christains to take hold of this free gift REQUIRES work. It requires faith. Quote
karl Posted June 5, 2011 Posted June 5, 2011 The line of argument which puts salvation in the past and separates it from the belief, repentence, confession, submission and/or baptism of the believer is misleading. It denies the "today" nature of salvation and ultimately denies Christ's ongoing atonement ministry in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf. It creates a false god that was appeased by Christ's blood on the cross. God did not need to be appeased. He loved the world BEFORE he gave us Himself in the life of Jesus Christ. John 3:16-18 He that believeth not is NOT saved. Rather he is condemned already because he believeth not on the Son of God. Quote
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