miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 I have shown you already that God does murder, and God does hate. No, He does not. Tell me, where did God kill Saul in the following: 1 Sam 31:1 Now the Philistines fought against Israel; the Israelites fled before them, and many fell slain on Mount Gilboa. 2 The Philistines pressed hard after Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua. 3 The fighting grew fierce around Saul, and when the archers overtook him, they wounded him critically. 4 Saul said to his armor-bearer, "Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me." But his armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so Saul took his own sword and fell on it. 5 When the armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he too fell on his sword and died with him. 6 So Saul and his three sons and his armor-bearer and all his men died together that same day. Where, in the above, did God kill Saul? Did you know that God said that He killed Saul? So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance, but he did not inquire of the Lord; therefore, He [God] killed him , and turned the kingdom over to David, the son of Jesse (1 Chron. 10:13, 14). Try real hard to follow this Robert. "Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14 and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse." 1Chronicles 10:13-14. God does not say that he won't use other instrumentalities to do His work. God simply used Saul to do the work. Saul could have put a thousand swords into his body and God could have kept him alive. However, in this case God took Saul's own hand to do the work. Have you not read the numerous times God called other nations, pagan nations, to do His work of punishment. Thus, your question of who killed Saul is easy, God did, no matter how many times Saul used his sword to plunge into his body. This is so because 1Chronicles says that God put Saul to death. God sent snakes to kill the Israelites in the wilderness. God killed them, however His instrument was the snake. Get it. Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 God does not say that he won't use other instrumentalities to do His work. God simply used Saul to do the work. You've made this up. It doesn't say that God made Saul kill himself. Show me the verse where it states that God made Saul commit suicide! Here's the reason Saul committed suicide: "Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me." Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Here's another: I [God] will strike the Shepherd. . . . We esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God (Mark 114:27; Isaiah 53:4). My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? (Mark 15:34). God said killed His Son. Jesus said God wasn't even around. Quote
Gordon1 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 God said killed His Son. Jesus said God wasn't even around. Yes and here is an important principle. Death occurs by the absence of God. Everything on earth lives by the supernatural support of God, because the natural state of the entire planet is decay & death, existing since Adam's fall. Jesus came to give life, to restore immortality. Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Death occurs by the absence of God. Excellent! In fact our first death is because sin separated us from God. Yes, we are accepted "in Christ", but it is because of sin we are mortal and eventually die. The 2nd death is where God abandons you with no hope of a resurrection. Quote
Gordon1 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 The 2nd death is where God abandons you with no hope of a resurrection. Hi Robert, here's an alternate phrasing: The 2nd death is the result of our choosing the world instead of Heaven. (Self instead of Christ, our way instead of God's way). This decision is sealed at our first death. Quote
Gordon1 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 God's Law is a law of Life. God's Law explains the order of Heaven. When we depart from God's order, we are walking in the path of decay and death. Many are unaware of this distinction between good and evil, being seduced by the world. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 God does not say that he won't use other instrumentalities to do His work. God simply used Saul to do the work. You've made this up. It doesn't say that God made Saul kill himself. Show me the verse where it states that God made Saul commit suicide! Here's the reason Saul committed suicide: "Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me." "Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14 and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse." 1Chronicles 10:13-14. Here is the text again. God killed Saul. That is not made up unless you pick the texts you believe in and the Bible texts you don't believe in. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 God's Law is a law of Life. God's Law explains the order of Heaven. When we depart from God's order, we are walking in the path of decay and death. Many are unaware of this distinction between good and evil, being seduced by the world. There can be no response to two who talk jibbersh and nonsense. Jibberish and nonsense are illogical on their face and no amount of Truth can undo it. You two have fun in your confused box. Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 God killed Saul. No, Saul committed suicide! So please tell me how God killed him? Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 God killed Saul. No, Saul committed suicide! So please tell me how God killed him? Deut 31:17 ...I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall come upon them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us? Saul rejected God. Because God's love can't force itself on others, God had to remove Himself from Saul. The result? Death. Because God is sovereign, because God allowed Lucifer to develop his bent to self in opposition to God's agape love, God assumes the blame for Saul's death, that is, until the day of atonement. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 God killed Saul. No, Saul committed suicide! So please tell me how God killed him? I gave you the text but you only believe in the parts of the Bible that agree with you and your failed views. I believe in the whole Bible as God's Word. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 God killed Saul. No, Saul committed suicide! So please tell me how God killed him? Quote
Alchemy Posted October 22, 2011 Author Posted October 22, 2011 I guess I'm asking what happened to the Divine nature of Christ while His body suffered the second death? Was it asleep? Was it conscience? Quote Luke 12:32 NKJV
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 I gave you the text but you only believe in the parts of the Bible that agree with you and your failed views. I realize God said He killed Saul, but I can't find the evidence you speak of.....I need evidence. After all I will never blindly follow your view of God. Quote
Robert Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 I guess I'm asking what happened to the Divine nature of Christ while His body suffered the second death? You mean His humanity...not just body. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 I gave you the text but you only believe in the parts of the Bible that agree with you and your failed views. I realize God said He killed Saul, but I can't find the evidence you speak of.....I need evidence. After all I will never blindly follow your view of God. Read the text. That is all you need to know because that is what God gave us. Quote
miz3 Posted October 22, 2011 Posted October 22, 2011 Deut 31:17 ...I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall come upon them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us? Saul rejected God. Because God's love can't force itself on others, God had to remove Himself from Saul. The result? Death. Because God is sovereign, because God allowed Lucifer to develop his bent to self in opposition to God's agape love, God assumes the blame for Saul's death, that is, until the day of atonement. Has God removed Himself from satan? Quote
Members phkrause Posted October 22, 2011 Members Posted October 22, 2011 Has God removed Himself from satan? Absolutely... and why is Satan still alive?? Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Administrators Gail Posted October 23, 2011 Administrators Posted October 23, 2011 Hmmm... Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Robert Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 Has God removed Himself from satan? Absolutely... and why is Satan still alive?? Well, he's not human. Quote
cheddar Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Satan does have an existence but I don't think I would classify it as life. All life comes from God so when Lucifer sinned the only reason that he wasen't immediately destroyed is because God wanted to make an example out of him. 'The wages of sin is death' and Satan will one day reap the reward for his works of evil and unbelief. Quote
Members phkrause Posted October 23, 2011 Members Posted October 23, 2011 Well, he's not human. Exactly Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
miz3 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Originally Posted By: miz3 Has God removed Himself from satan? Absolutely... and why is Satan still alive?? Quote
Robert Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Has God removed Himself from satan? The subject is Christ as a man. Quote
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