doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Maybe this collection of EGW quotes may be enlightening to you. Quote: “The refining, softening influence of Christian women is needed in the great work of preaching the truth…” -- RH, Jan 2, 1879. "she has a ministerial license and bears many burdens of their church at Napier. She speaks to the people, is intelligent and every way capable." -- Mss 22, 1893. "It is not always men who are best adapted to the successful management of a church. If faithful women have more deep piety and true devotion than men, they could indeed by their prayers and their labors do more than men who are unconsecrated in heart and in life." Letter 33, 1879, p. 2. “…introducing our publications into families, conversing, and praying with and for them is a good work, AND ONE WHICH WILL EDUCATE MEN AND WOMEN TO DO PASTORAL LABOR." -- RH, April 4, 1882. "The Lord has given Christ to the world for ministry. Merely to preach the Word is not ministry. The Lord desires His ministering servants to occupy a place worthy of the highest consideration. In the mind of God, the ministry of men and women existed before the world was created. He determined that His ministers should have a perfect exemplification of Himself and His purposes.” -- Diary entry March 12, 1891, Ms 23-1891. "to create a fund from my tithe money, to pay these women who are accomplishing just as essential work as the ministers are doing, and this tithe I will reserve for work in the same line as that of the ministers, hunting for souls, fishing for souls." -- to Brethren Irwin, Evans, Smith and Jones, April 21, 1898, I191a-1898. "Injustice has been done to women who labor just as devotedly as their husbands, and who are recognized by God as being as necessary to the work of ministry as their husbands. The method of paying men-laborers and not their wives, is a plan not after the Lord's order....This arrangement...is liable to discourage our sisters from qualifying themselves for the work they should engage in [i.e., ministry]....This question is not for men to settle. The Lord has settled it. You are to do your duty to the women who labor in the gospel.” -- Mss 43a-1898. "God wants workers who can carry the truth to all classes, high and low, rich and poor. In this work women may act an important part. God grant that those who read these words may put forth earnest efforts to present an open door for consecrated women to enter the field." -- Mss 43a, 1897. "You are to do your duty to the WOMEN WHO LABOR IN THE GOSPEL, WHOSE WORK TESTIFIES THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO CARRY THE TRUTH INTO FAMILIES. THEIR WORK IS JUST THE WORK THAT MUST BE DONE. In many respects a woman can impart knowledge to her sisters that a man cannot. The cause would suffer great loss without this kind of labor. AGAIN AND AGAIN THE LORD HAS SHOWN ME THAT WOMEN TEACHERS ARE JUST AS GREATLY NEEDED TO DO THE WORK TO WHICH HE HAS APPOINTED THEM AS ARE MEN." -- Mss 43a-1898. "There are women who should labor in the gospel ministry. In many respects they would do more good than the ministers who neglect to visit the flock of God. Husband and wife may unite in this work, and when it is possible, they should. THE WAY IS OPEN FOR CONSECRATED WOMEN." -- Mss. 43a, 1898, Evangelism 472. "All who wish an opportunity for true ministry, and who will give themselves unreservedly to God, will find in the canvassing work opportunities to speak upon many things pertaining to the future immortal life. The experience thus gained will be of the greatest value to THOSE WHO ARE FITTING THEMSELVES FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY. It is the accompaniment of the Holy Spirit of God that prepares workers, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, TO BECOME PASTORS TO THE FLOCK OF GOD." -- RH, January 15, 1901. "If men and women would act as the Lord's helping hand, doing deeds of love and kindness, uplifting the oppressed, rescuing those ready to perish, the glory of the Lord would be their rearguard....Of those who act as his helping hand the Lord says, 'Ye shall be named priests of the Lord; men shall call you the ministers of our God.'" -- Jan 17, 1901, B7-1901. "Young men and young women who should be engaged in the ministry, in Bible work, and in the canvassing work, should not be bound down to mechanical employment." -- RH, October 15, 1903. These are all excellent quotes, none of which support the idea of the woman's work being exactly the same as the man's. A distinctive thrust is applied within each quote. Women teaching women,women joining their husbands as a team in ministry, consecrated women being more effective than unconsecrated men,women working in ministries without equal compensation, a strong emphasis on canvasssing as being "ministry" equally open to both sexes,and a strong emphasis on families, ect... Utilizing these quotes to make it seem like EGW was in favor of removing across the board every distinction in leadership roles is a little presumptuous.
Woody Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Quote: These are all excellent quotes, none of which support the idea of the woman's work being exactly the same as the man's. A distinctive thrust is applied within each quote. Women teaching women,women joining their husbands as a team in ministry, consecrated women being more effective than unconsecrated men,women working in ministries without equal compensation, a strong emphasis on canvasssing as being "ministry" equally open to both sexes,and a strong emphasis on families, ect... Utilizing these quotes to make it seem like EGW was in favor of removing across the board every distinction in leadership roles is a little presumptuous. It's very clear that EGW did not make a distinction in leadership roles - so I am not sure why we should. Her goal in these quotes was to unify and promote that all walls should be removed. It is amazing how people can twist the clear intentions of our prophet. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 . May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Quote: Here is the text about Huldah in its context. Notice the men, all them, sought the council of the woman Huldah to know what the Lord God says. Clearly she had authority over the whole nation because even the king inquired of her. If you wanted to know the Lord's will then you asked Huldah a woman. It didn't matter that you were a man, you still had to humble yourself in order to know what God required. God spoke through a woman to all those powerful men. Clearly you make an assertion that,in context, is not only vastly overstated but also completely innacurate. " She had authority over the whole nation??? Why, because some leaders sought the word of the Lord from her? If your logic is correct that would put the nation in a real authority crisis. The prophet Jeremiah had been prophesying already for 5 years, as had several other prophets.Who was the authority? Who did they (the other prophets) go to if they wanted to know God's advice? Why couldn't the leaders of Israel go just as easily to ask Jeremiah (as they did a few years later)? Huldah was the wife of Shallum. Did he come humbly before her each day to be told what to do? Is this the real authority of the prophet? If you want to see the actual "authority" of a prophet try reading Jer.26 or just remember Elijah's condition in his authority role? Prophets were never designed by God to usurp the authority roles of the society.
doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 It's very clear that EGW did not make a distinction in leadership roles - so I am not sure why we should. Her goal in these quotes was to unify and promote that all walls should be removed. It is amazing how people can twist the clear intentions of our prophet. Obviously, we are reading different quotes.Besides, aren't you supposed to be in bed already??
Woody Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody It's very clear that EGW did not make a distinction in leadership roles - so I am not sure why we should. Her goal in these quotes was to unify and promote that all walls should be removed. It is amazing how people can twist the clear intentions of our prophet. Obviously, we are reading different quotes.Besides, aren't you supposed to be in bed already?? Well - sleep is a good thought. And I am sure you will sleep better if I don't present the end time truths. So, have your way. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 I think I'm right behind(3hrs. earlier?)you.
miz3 Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Quote: Here is the text about Huldah in its context. Notice the men, all them, sought the council of the woman Huldah to know what the Lord God says. Clearly she had authority over the whole nation because even the king inquired of her. If you wanted to know the Lord's will then you asked Huldah a woman. It didn't matter that you were a man, you still had to humble yourself in order to know what God required. God spoke through a woman to all those powerful men. Clearly you make an assertion that,in context, is not only vastly overstated but also completely innacurate. " She had authority over the whole nation??? Why, because some leaders sought the word of the Lord from her? If your logic is correct that would put the nation in a real authority crisis. The prophet Jeremiah had been prophesying already for 5 years, as had several other prophets.Who was the authority? Who did they (the other prophets) go to if they wanted to know God's advice? Why couldn't the leaders of Israel go just as easily to ask Jeremiah (as they did a few years later)? Huldah was the wife of Shallum. Did he come humbly before her each day to be told what to do? Is this the real authority of the prophet? If you want to see the actual "authority" of a prophet try reading Jer.26 or just remember Elijah's condition in his authority role? Prophets were never designed by God to usurp the authority roles of the society. What you are saying is not what the Bible and the Bible only says. I quoted you the texts about Huldah apparently that makes no difference to you. You would rather go with your human logic/assumptions than listen to the Word of God. The Word says they came to Huldah to "know the Will of the Lord God". There was nothing between Huldah and God in authority. Did people ask Jeremiah what time they could eat? No. They came to Jeremiah and Huldah when they wanted to know the Will of God. That is what the role of the Minister/Pastor/Leader is. Our Union Presidents and GC Presidents are to "messengers" of God and nothing more. In this particular case they came to Huldah and she had God's Authority over them. Jeremiah in this particular case had no Authority from God. Only Huldah had authority from God. Moses had no authority over the Children of Israel except when the Will of God was involved. We don't ask them what to eat for breakfast. We are to be able to go to them to know what the "Will of God is" concerning the implementation of the Work of God just as they when they came to Huldah. You obviously don't understand Scripture and what the role of Leadership means/does in Scripture others wise you see that Huldah is just like Elijah, Elisha, Moses, David, Deborah.
Woody Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 The General Conference of SDAs recognized EGW as a leader, founder, and ordained pastor. That's good enough for me. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 . You obviously don't understand Scripture and what the role of Leadership means/does in Scripture others wise you see that Huldah is just like Elijah, Elisha, Moses, David, Deborah. And EGW is just like them too?
doug yowell Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 You obviously don't understand Scripture and what the role of Leadership means/does in Scripture Obviously.So good night until manana.
Woody Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 The General Conference of SDAs recognized EGW as a leader, founder, and ordained pastor. That's good enough for me. Let me just expound a little on this thought. The further and further away in time that one gets from truth - the more jumbled and confused the issue gets. Back in the time of EGW it was fully recognized and accepted that she was the Leader, Founder, and an ordained minister. Now - people attempt to re-write history. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 Who raised the 'dead horse'?? Well Praise the Lord for our current leadership who are not afraid of 'raising the dead horse'. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
teresaq Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 A prophet is a prophet is a prophet is a prophet....They either speak truth or lie. So much for diversionary... The statement was, "Huldah is just like Elijah, Elisha, Moses, David, Deborah." No way to get around it, try as one might. They either speak authoritatively for God, as opposed to authoritarian, or they do not. Originally Posted By: miz3 . You obviously don't understand Scripture and what the role of Leadership means/does in Scripture others wise you see that Huldah is just like Elijah, Elisha, Moses, David, Deborah. And EGW is just like them too? facebook. /teresa.quintero.790
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