Snippets from the hard copy Universal Reconciliation library of rodger

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AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS – LOUIS ABBOTT

In the forward to his book AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS, Louis Abbott wrote, “One key area various denominations are divided over is the final destiny of the ungodly, the wicked, the unsaved, the unregenerate, or however one wishes to phrase it.

There are three views on this subject. Each position claims Scriptural support: (1) eternal torment; (2) eternal destruction; and (3) the ultimate salvation of all. It is obvious that all cannot be correct. Two of them have to be wrong.

I pray this book will be a blessing to all who are struggling with this subject.” (unquote)

This book can be read online at this link

AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

ENJOY!

[Stan]

Originally Posted By: dialoguewithus

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What logic is there to the theory that God has the power and wisdom to create and sustain an apparently infinite number of worlds, yet can’t convince those He’s created of the superiority of His ways?

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And what logic is there to the Universalist's theory that no matter what, heaven is the final home of both righteous and wicked, when the Bible says otherwise?

Exodus 34:6-7

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6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Matthew 16:27

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27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Romans 2:5-8

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5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath

Beware of the teaching of the Universalist. It encourages people to act and live like demons, being pampered with the false hope heaven will still be their final home.

There are some good quotes there, Thanks Samie

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GOD’S ULTIMATE – A.E. SAXBY

“We do not wish to belittle the awful judgments of God. They will be terrible enough. But we desire to get all the perspective of Scripture and look to the end God has in view.

We do not believe that orthodox theology has done this. It has stopped short in the ages themselves and has misnamed them eternity. In such a survey of the ultimate there is no place for the vision that Paul gives when God shall be All in all (1Cor. 15:28).

We contend that nothing less than the reconciliation of all would satisfy the heart of God and be a fitting consummation to the shedding of the blood of His Son.”

[Samie]

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There are some good quotes there, Thanks Samie

You are welcome, brother. Praise God, and to Him be the glory.

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A SPIRITUAL AUTOBIOGRAPHY – WILLIAM BARCLAY

“I am a convinced universalist. I believe that in the end all men will be gathered into the love of God.

The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure." (unquote)

This is his comment regarding Matthew 25:46.

[Samie]

A SPIRITUAL AUTOBIOGRAPHY – WILLIAM BARCLAY

“I am a convinced universalist. I believe that in the end all men will be gathered into the love of God.

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THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION – ADLAI LOUDY

“The crowning glory of the ‘good news’ or evangel of the untraceable riches of Christ which Paul was granted the grace to bring to the ‘gentiles’ or nations, is the revelation that He will reconcile all to God.

What a marvelous outcome of God’s purpose! What a wonderful Christ Who can accomplish such a complete and glorious reconciliation! All creatures, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens, reconciled in perfect peace to the great love of God through the Son of His love.

More of these untraceable honors and glories of Christ which Paul was granted the grace to reveal, could be pointed out with delight, but these will suffice to increase our faith, enrich our joy and brighten our expectation ‘in Him in Whom our lot was cast also,’ Christ Jesus our Lord, Life, and Head!”

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The meaning of words that have been translated as “eternal”, “forever”, “incurable” in the scriptures

Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude

7)--until--God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom"

16:53-55).

Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.

30:12)-until--the Lord "will restore health" and heal

her wounds (Jer. 30:17).

The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic. 1:9)-until--

Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.

16:53).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the

Lord's congregation "forever"-until--the tenth

generation (Deut. 23:3):

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were

"everlasting", that is -until-- they "were shattered"

Hab. 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting"

priesthood (Ex. 40:15), that is-until-it was

superseded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews

7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God

would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings

8:13), that is,--until the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant"

(Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the

first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians

3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah

"forever"-until--the Lord delivers him from the large

fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17);

Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.

25:27)-until--the Lord will "restore the fortunes of

Egypt" (Ez. 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam"

(Jer. 49:39).

"Moab is destroyed" (Jer. 48:4, 42)-until--the Lord

"will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer. 48:47).

Israel's judgment lasts "forever"-until--the Spirit is

poured out and God restores it (Isa. 32:13-15).

So, narrow is the way to life and few find it-until--

His church confiscates the "strong man's" booty,

setting the captives free so God becomes all in all

(Isa. 61, Luke 11:21-22, Matt. 7:13; 16:18, 1 Cor.

15:24-28).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us

that a bondslave was to serve his master "forever"

(Exodus 21:6), that is,--until--his death.

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Galatians 4:4, 5

Now when the full time came, God delegates His Son, come of a woman, come under law, that He should be reclaiming those under law, that we may be getting the place of a son.

“Full time” is Greek “pleroma tou chronou”. “Chronou” also appears in Lk. 4:5; Acts 27:9; Jd. 18.

Ephesians 1:10

to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ - both that in the heavens and that on the earth

“complement of the eras” is Greek “pleromatos ton kairon”. “Kairon” appears also in Matt. 16:3 and 1 Thes. 5:1. “To head up” is “anakephalaiosasthai”. It appears as well in Ro. 13:9.

New Living Translation (c2007)

And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ--everything in heaven and on earth.

“Summing up (346) (anakephalaiomai not from kephale = head but from kephalaion = summary, or sum total) means to bring something to a head or bring together under one head or in literary terms under one heading. When a column of figures was added up, the total was placed at the top. In another illustration of the use of this word in secular literature we read of the summarizing of the argument of an orator as he would do at the close of his discourse. Here it means to sum up, to "head up" all things in Christ in orderly and harmonious completion. Christ is the center of the universe, which some day will be integrated into one harmonious whole.

It conveys the idea that all things will be brought into meaningful relationship together under Christ. At the end of the age everything will be seen to add up to Christ. At present there is fragmentation and frustration. Things do not “add up.” On that day, however, under Christ, everything will add up or rather be summed up in Christ. This recognition of Christ's preeminence will ensure that the original harmony of the universe is restored (see Ro 8:18-21). The mission of Christ extends beyond the human race and assumes cosmic dimensions.

Paul's use of anakephalaiomai in Romans is illustrative of the meaning...

For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." (See note Romans 13:9)

Comment: the summation of the Ten Commandments in the one rule “Love your neighbor as yourself”

Thus the command to "love" is the category heading & all the other commands are listed under love as part of it or expressions of it.

Rienecker adds

"This is a rhetorical term used of the summing up of a speech or argument and hence of including a large number of separate details under one head."

In context the Head is Christ for He is the goal of History ("His-story") which achieves its culmination in Him Alone! Paradise lost in Adam is Paradise regained in Christ to Whom every knee will bow and every tongue confess as LORD. Have you bowed while you still have breath to declare "My Lord and My God"? If not today could be the day of your salvation.

The aorist tense is a definite summing up at a point in time. The middle voice pictures God as the Initiator of this action of summing up all things in Christ for Himself. The infinitive mood expresses purpose.

MacArthur comments that...

History is written and directed by its Creator, who will see it through to the fulfillment of His own ultimate purpose—the summing up of all things in Christ. He designed His great plan in the ages past; He now sovereignly works it out according to His divine will; and in the fulness of the times He will complete and perfect it in His Son, in whom it will forever operate in righteous harmony and glorious newness along with all things in the heavens and things upon the earth. (MacArthur, J: Ephesians. Chicago: Moody Press)

All things (3956) (pas) (literally "the things") means all without exception, (Col 1:17; Heb 1:3) and includes the whole creation. Paul's point is that Christ will gather the entire universe (now corrupted by sin and the whole world lying in the power of the evil one, Satan, 1John 5:19) into unity (Heb 1:8ff). Everything in heaven and on earth will be subjected to (and thus be summed up in) Christ (1Cor 15:24, 25, 26, 27, 28)...

Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (See notes Philippians 2:9; 2:10; 2:11).” http://www.preceptaustin.org/ephesians_19-10.htm

[Samie]

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Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were

"everlasting", that is -until-- they "were shattered"

Hab. 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting"

priesthood (Ex. 40:15), that is-until-it was

superseded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews

7:14-18).

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The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant"

(Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the

first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians

3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

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So 'everlasting' somehow ends? And our 'everlasting God' will ultimately end?

KJV Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

There lies the fallacy of the reasoning of the Universalist. Pick that and this, leave out this and that, and so deceive the unwary. Satan himself used the Scriptures in reasoning out with the Savior.

Beware of the teaching of the Universalist. It encourages people to live wicked lives egged on by the false hope heaven will ultimately be their final home.

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CHRIST TRIUMPHANT – THOMAS ALLIN

It is true that aionios may be applied as an epithet to things that are endless, but the idea of endlessness in all such cases comes not from the epithet, but only because it is inherent in the object to which the epithet is applied, as in the case of God.

‘This is life eternal’ should be ‘the life of the ages,’ i.e. peculiar to those ages in which the scheme of salvation is being worked out. The ‘eternal covenant’ is the ‘covenant of the ages,’ the covenant peculiar to the ages of redemption. The ‘eternal purpose’ is really the purpose of ‘the ages,’ i.e. developed and worked out in ‘the ages.’

We who teach the larger hope believe that not in this brief life only, but through future ages, Christ’s work shall go on till the last straying sheep shall have been found by the Good Shepherd. Then, at the expiry of these ages ‘cometh the end’ when Christ shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, and God shall be All in all (1Cor. 15:28).

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During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. (the God of the ages that collectively come to an end). In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23).

THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY

“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.

Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’

Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME

THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE

http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

[John317]

...You are wrong, Mr. Tutt. Not only have I read your copious quotes, I have looked over your EXTRABIBLICAL references. I'm not impressed.

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[John317]

...So 'everlasting' somehow ends? And our 'everlasting God' will ultimately end?

KJV Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

There lies the fallacy of the reasoning of the Universalist. Pick that and this, leave out this and that, and so deceive the unwary. Satan himself used the Scriptures in reasoning out with the Savior.

Beware of the teaching of the Universalist. It encourages people to live wicked lives egged on by the false hope heaven will ultimately be their final home.

Great post, Samie! Definitely worth posting again. I hope it's being read by the Universalists.

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RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – ANDREW JUKES

“It is argued that whatever be the meaning of the word aionios in the case of the lost, the same must be its meaning in the case of the saved; and our certainty of never-ending bliss for penitent believers is gone if the word bears not the same signification in the case of the impenitent and unbelieving. But the truth is that this word describes not the quantity or duration, but the quality of that which it is predicated.

The word which in Matt. 25:46 we translate punishment, in its primary sense means ‘pruning’ and is always used for corrective discipline which is for the improvement of him who suffers it. Even those who hold the common view of the endlessness of punishment are obliged to confess this; and this of itself proves that their doctrine is untenable; for any punishment, be it for a longer or shorter time would not be corrective discipline, but quite another thing if it left those who were so corrected unimproved and lost forever. But from the fall till now the changeless way of the Lord is to make even the curse a blessing.”

[John317]

John3:17, neither the scriptures you quoted, nor any other scriptures, should have been translated "forever."

....Hebrews 1:8: ho thronos sou ho theos eis ton aiona tou aionos, "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eon." In both occurrences in this verse, the Greek word we translated "eon" appears in the singular.

Are you claiming that Christ's throne will come to an end some day? Hebrews 1: 8 is saying that Christ's throne will never end.

Originally Posted By: rodgertutt

]Galatians 1:5: ho hê doxa eis tous aionas ton aionon, "To Whom be glory for the eons of the eons." Here the Greek word for eon appears twice in the plural.

Are you claiming Gal 1: 5 signifies that the Father's glory is not eternal, or endless?

[Samie]

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THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY

“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.

Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’

Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).

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Are you claiming that Christ's throne will come to an end some day? Hebrews 1: 8 is saying that Christ's throne will never end.

While the kingdom itself will not end, the reign of Christ for the eons of the eons will end when He delivers up the kingdom to the Father (1 Cor. 15:24-26).

The improper translation of "for the ages of the ages" ignores the purpose and climax of history. The holies of the holies (plural/plural) were the two inner confines of the tabernacle. (1Kings 8:6 literal translation instead of the most holy place.) They were more holy than the outer court and the camp and all the places outside the camp. In like manner, the ages of the ages are the two greatest ages of history because of what will transpire during their time.

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Are you claiming Gal 1: 5 signifies that the Father's glory is not eternal, or endless?

It does not cast the smallest shadow on the brilliance of God's glory to say that glory be attributed to Him during the climatic eons when His purpose will be realized by all and His glory seen more clearly than ever before."

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By GERRY BEAUCHEMIN

”Tradition has taught that God will not save a person against their will. I agree. However He has the power to orchestrate whatever circumstances are necessary to effect one’s will to change.

Once a full revelation of God is received in the ages to come (Eph. 2:7), men will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord just as Isaiah and Paul prophesied (Is. 45:21-25; Rom. 4:11; Ph. 2:9-11). Who would want to continue in active and persistent rebellion knowing God only wants what is best for them? Knowing the great goodness and love of God, along with the Holy Spirit working in their hearts, these hardened hearts must melt before His glorious being.

It is impossible that an omnipotent God can fail in His purpose so that some would forever resist unconditional love opting for everlasting pain or annihilation. This would be totally irrational. And even if one were that irrational, such resistance would not arise out of a ‘free’ will, but an ‘enslaved’ will, a will in bondage to an enslaved mind.”

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“It is argued that whatever be the meaning of the word aionios in the case of the lost, the same must be its meaning in the case of the saved; and our certainty of never-ending bliss for penitent believers is gone if the word bears not the same signification in the case of the impenitent and unbelieving. But the truth is that this word describes not the quantity or duration, but the quality of that which it is predicated.

This is true of such verses as 1 John 5: 11, 13--

{11} And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

{13} These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Our having "eternal life" now doesn't mean we won't die, of course. After all, we are mortal beings. What it means, then, is that the quality of the future life we will live with God begins now. However, this doesn't mean the saved won't live with God without end. The Scriptures make plain that the saved are made "immortal."

1 Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

And:

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

NOTE: verse 7 says that God renders "eternal life" to those who "in doing well seek for... immortality."

When mortals become immortal, then "eternal life" refers to never-ending life, because it has reference to beings who are no longer subject to death.

Notice in verse 12 what happens to the unsaved: they "perish." Other verses in the Bible teach that the "unsaved" come to an end and will be as if they had never existed.

Ps. 37:20-- But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

There's absolutely no indication that those who do evil and reject God will finally be saved in God's kingdom and live without end with Him. On the contrary, the Bible teaches that the wicked receive "indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish..."

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Jesus did not ever say the words "eternal life". In John 3:16 Jesus promises eonian life (greek: aionios zoe), which quite literally means something of which the horizon/end-point is not in view, but can more generally have the meaning of "pertaining to an age or ages" ie. age-abiding.

Do not confuse this with the idea of immortality - which is also a promise as shown by Paul in 1 Cor 15: 53-57. This is why all will be alive truly forever. Not because of eonian life, but because immortality is granted.

It has caused much confusion and travesty due to the way modern Christian tradition has munged the terms "eternal life" and "immortality".

There are many examples where the word eon and its Hebrew counter-part olam simply cannot mean literally "eternal" or "forever", yet the meaning is forced there when it is not warranted.

You can study this for yourself if you wish to honestly understand.

Christian Universalism understands what immortality is and what it means to put it on as scripture defines it. That does not change simply because Jesus was talking about an undetermined period of time.

Dean Hough wrote “The definition given in THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) is helpful. Concerning aionios we read, “In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .” (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ’s cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).”

Dean Hough

[John317]

By GERRY BEAUCHEMIN

Tradition has taught that God will not save a person against their will. I agree. However He has the power to orchestrate whatever circumstances are necessary to effect ones will to change.

If God was ever going to do that, why didn't He do it with Lucifer before he fell into sin? That would have saved a lot of suffering and death. Seems like that would have been the time to do it, not after untold billions of humans and animals have suffered and died terrible deaths.

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AT THE END OF THE AGES – BOB EVELY

“The culmination of God’s Word is found in 1Corinthian 15 when God become All in all.

The book of Revelation does not take us quite this far. Corruption is eliminated and our bodies are now incorruptible. The worst enemy of all, death, has been abolished.

The salvation of all has not meant the ignoring of sin. The lake of fire, the second death has accomplished its work. All men now recognize the wondrous ways of God and His grace as expressed through the work of Christ. The salvation of all does not negate or minimize the work of the cross. The work of Christ upon the cross and the power of God as displayed through the resurrection, were both very necessary.

But now at the end of the ages we see the true scope of God’s work. Despite the sin and rebellion of humanity, God has found a way to bring every soul to the point of acceptance. The ages have ended. The purpose of the eons has now been fulfilled; to reconcile all to God. Wickedness and evil are gone. Death is no more. God is love, and He is All in all. Eternal life in perfection has begun.”

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“So 'everlasting' somehow ends? And our 'everlasting God' will ultimately end?

KJV Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

There lies the fallacy of the reasoning of the Universalist. Pick that and this, leave out this and that, and so deceive the unwary. Satan himself used the Scriptures in reasoning out with the Savior.”

Rev. 20:10. Does “everlasting” end or not, Samie? Why not just recognize the fact that “everlasting” is a mistranslation, instead of setting up false charges against universal reconciliation? Since God will be All in all, and all will be immortal, does that mean we’re teaching that God isn’t eternal?

Eonian life is one subject, (and we enjoy it now while mortal), and immortality is another subject. Eonian life pertains to the eons. Immortality is granted in three classes. 1 Cor. 15:20-28. This is one of several verses showing that Christ will abdicate the throne to His Father, once He has accomplished His mission to reconcile the universe. Christ will be seated at God’s right hand UNTIL…

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Originally Posted By: rodgertutt

By GERRY BEAUCHEMIN

Tradition has taught that God will not save a person against their will. I agree. However He has the power to orchestrate whatever circumstances are necessary to effect ones will to change.

If God was ever going to do that, why didn't He do it with Lucifer before he fell into sin? That would have saved a lot of suffering and death. Seems like that would have been the time to do it, not after untold billions of humans and animals have suffered and died terrible deaths.

Because God is going to transform everything that happens into something better that it happened.

TIME, ETERNITY AND GOD – REDEMPTION’S GLORY – RAY PRINZING

“Modern theology has so long circumvented our thinking and teaching to the biased idea that God will save only part of His creation and so limited His redemptive powers that we have forgotten that with God all things are possible and shall be wrought out in due time. God has a definite schedule for saving His creatures, and there is nothing that can withstand His purpose.

Sin was allowed for wise ends, and only after these have been secured will sin cease to exist. It is all a part of God’s purpose of the ages and redemption’s glory will only shine out the more after the plan’s execution. God never allows sin to go beyond His transforming power. God always has everything under perfect control.”