Am curious about some here

[CoAspen]

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But we are in a culture that insists that truth is "subjective".

This is not a biblical concept, but many keep making this argument without realising it is not from God.

So when a biblical truth is truth, then subjectivity has nothing to do with it being truth.

There seems to be a lot of dogmatic jabber going around. It sounds like this.

MY Truth is objective.

YOUR Truth is subjective.

I don't believe that to be Biblical. The ONLY Truth that is necessary for Salvation is that if you believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ - you will be saved. All other "truths" are subjective in that understanding them will not happen till we SEE HIS FACE. And even then we are told that we will need to study for ALL OF ETERNITY to try to come to grasp with the greatness of God.

On Same page.......we are!

[Guest]

What she really wants is for her children all to become Jehovah's Witnesses. Her mindset is along the same lines as what looks to be the same as some here. We may be praying for everyone else to understand things the same way we do, when our prayer should be that each of us will open our mind to the Holy Spirit's wisdom and guidance.

LD

P.S. The lady is in the nursing home with hospice care because of a broken hip, serious emphysema, and a short time left to live, according to the doctors. I don't fault her children for wanting her to have skilled nursing available for her condition.

I understand...

[Woody]

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Nothing else at all?

Don't need to be baptised for instance?

Don't need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Nothing else at all? --- Nope

Don't need to be baptised for instance? Nope. For sure there will be some people saved who were never baptized.

Don't need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? That happens automatically when one gives their heart to God. In fact it happens to ALL whether they give their heart to God or not. He draws ALL unto Him. The Holy Spirit is inside and working with all even when they are in darkness. What a SUPER God I serve. Praise the Lord.

[olger]

Unbelievers experience only the convicting power of the holy Spirit.

Only a believer has the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.

Carry on and carry nothing out,

G

[Overaged]

The ads have helped, google suggested I add one to the header and I did.

Many days it as been 1-2$ one day it hit $34! That caught me by surprise.

The ministry ads on the side, do not bring in much, some are there free.

There are about 200 sites blocked from coming here, and if offensive ones come though I do like to know where they land so I can put that URL in.

How about fining everyone who breaks a forum rule $5.00? The forum's money problems would be over.

[phkrause]

[Stan]

If we had rules, we would have enough $$$ to promote everywhere..

[Stan]

I do not like begging... if people would please sign up to help here

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/subscriptions/

[aka]

Toothfairy: For the last 8 years I have not posted because I have not paid subscription rates. The decision made not to post was more in a manner of respect for social protocol. I felt it impolite using bandwidth for my convictions/opinions/snarky remarks on a regular basis when I am not paying for the right to do so.

Admittedly, I came back here posting because of my certain agenda.

I have not been hardly reading at ClubA for years and missed much of whatever went sour in talk.

I now notice the push for getting money to pay for this site's expenses from…. Lurkers? Non-Adventists? Only from posting Adventists?

Visitors who do not log-in should not be penalized. Some forums should remain public for lurking/reading. It is already set up that to post one must be registered. That is common all over on the Net. Adventists and Non-Adventists alike. The question is…. Should a required small annual fee be put upon all posters? I think that to be fair because in real world, like when one joins any club of the world, one pays an admittance fee. When one wishes to go into the back rooms… the private rooms of special interest… perhaps the fee needs to be higher.

The reasons for not paying any money were well founded by a few:

Jasd: Several things: agreeing or disagreeing, if you use the bandwidth, pay for it. there are 4,498 members of this forum. Then make it a payed membership forum. In short ClubAdventist has gotten too large.

There is 3 forums on topics relating to religion but most is not posted on that subject in the topics threads.

However, those forums are way overloaded.

When you offer an independent ministry that offers to discuss Adventism with the world and invites all comers, you cannot expect to get paid.

Twilight Mark: Stan, have you considered that some people do not support you, because they do not agree with the direction you have allowed this board to take?

I personally choose to withdraw my financial support from this forum because it leans too heavily towards a liberal agenda.

I used to support this forum, but stopped when I could see the lack of transparency with moderator issues and control of the forum.

It does not represent middle of the road Adventism and at times is outright hostile to conservative Adventism, whilst it is openly heavily sympathetic to all liberal tendencies within the church.

It is also not acountable to the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which makes it an independant ministry.

A liberal independant ministry.

Olger: I would/could direct lots of resources to the board but won't do it because of the widening crop of liberal moderators. I would not like to fund that mindset.

Toothfairy: If we were given an itemized list of annual expenses, your online site would look more transparent and help us understand where the pinch is. If you would give us a definitive number of those paying annual fees of 40 Canadian Dollars (or are you doing your math with American Dollars?) we could have a clear insight to what needs yet to come in to top up the missing money. Remember, please…. We using ClubA are not prepared to also cover in our annual fee the cost also of all those extended websites forums you have registered out there.

Is ClubA entwined with your job at the B.C. Conference?

Are they expecting you to be the Admin of online Adventists like a Pastor of some sort?

Is this forum ClubA helpful for 'Mission' work somehow?

Has anyone turned to accept Adventism because of Club Adventist?

Has any from the non-Adventists ever found the way to Jesus as his Christ through Club Adventist?

[Stan]

Some of your questions are answered here

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/20846.html

I get far more complaints that the conservatives have taken this over the liberals have taken it over.

The majority of decisions are made by the team leadership.

[Naomi]

I'm a conservative liberal ... can I take over the forum or will I be exiled?

[Stan]

There are no stones in the kingdom of Adventistan.com

[monica]

I would like to support this site, but at the moment I don't have a job. Hope to be able to support it in the future.

[olger]

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 2:5).

[M. T. Cross]

Click on the ads. That helps support the site as well.

[Gibs]

Naomi,

You state, "I'm a conservative liberal ... can I take over the forum or will I be exiled?"

Well gee you could try, but I think they all get tired and quit soon.

But what on earth is a "conserative liberal"?

Hey Stan, be conservative and you'll make it OK.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Naomi]

There are no stones in the kingdom of Adventistan.com

Thanks Stan ... stones make me nervous. -:)

[olger]

Conservative liberal:

[Woody]

I think what best describes me is to say that I am a liberal conservative. I live my life conservative but I believe in being liberal towards others and I stand up for their principles and beliefs.

[Naomi]

Naomi,

You state, "I'm a conservative liberal ... can I take over the forum or will I be exiled?"

Well gee you could try, but I think they all get tired and quit soon.

But what on earth is a "conserative liberal"?

Hey Stan, be conservative and you'll make it OK.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs, I am sure you are correct about them getting tired and quitting.

As for being a conservative liberal, I shall attempt to explain my position: Both conservatives and liberals often have some solid humanitarian phylosophies. So, I retain the right of free-will in my politican choices...sometimes one, sometimes the other.

[Woody]

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sometimes one, sometimes the other.

Now I like that kind of consistancy. Way to go!! I do like your posts.

[Naomi]

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sometimes one, sometimes the other.

Now I like that kind of consistancy. Way to go!! I do like your posts.

Thanks Woody ...backatcha. I like your post as well

[Naomi]

Conservative liberal:

Point well taken

[Naomi]

I think what best describes me is to say that I am a liberal conservative. I live my life conservative but I believe in being liberal towards others and I stand up for their principles and beliefs.

[Stan]

I view myself as a progressive conservative, in most areas