Am curious about some here

[Bravus]

No. You are the one advocating for change, it is up to you to make the case.

You have, again, failed to demonstrate that democracy is a Christian principle.

This supports my contention that it is a 'Twilight II principle' that is irrelevant to this site.

Make your case or admit that it was all about you all along.

[M. T. Cross]

You do not have the confidence in your own worldview to open it up for discussion.

You would rather just attempt to critique mine.

Now do you have the courage to share your own convictions?

Clicking this link will prove the above statement illogical

647 posts worth of discussion on Bravus' convictions and world view

[Twilight II]

Originally Posted By: Twilight II

You do not have the confidence in your own worldview to open it up for discussion.

You would rather just attempt to critique mine.

Now do you have the courage to share your own convictions?

Clicking this link will prove the above statement illogical

647 posts worth of discussion on Bravus' convictions and world view

I am asking for Bravus' to reveal his position now on this particular subject.

If he has a past post where he has mentioned this I am happy to read it.

Would you know where that is?

[Twilight II]

No. You are the one advocating for change, it is up to you to make the case.

You have, again, failed to demonstrate that democracy is a Christian principle.

This supports my contention that it is a 'Twilight II principle' that is irrelevant to this site.

Make your case or admit that it was all about you all along.

More illogical argumentation.

1. The status quo is arbitrary, and doesn't need changing.

2. You want change.

3. Therefore you have to rationalise the need for change.

Your first premise is where your problem is Bravus.

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Do you want to define the word "democracy" for us Bravus, before we discuss it?

Or would you prefer to define it first, create a strawman and argue about that?

After you have revealed whether you think it is okay for anyone to be a Christian and behave in an arbitrary fashion over another Christian of course?

Let me guess your response?

You do not have to defend yourself because you are right because the board is run on the principles you advocate and support...

[M. T. Cross]

You do not have the confidence in your own worldview to open it up for discussion.

You would rather just attempt to critique mine.

Now do you have the courage to share your own convictions?

[Twilight II]

Originally Posted By: Twilight II

You do not have the confidence in your own worldview to open it up for discussion.

You would rather just attempt to critique mine.

Now do you have the courage to share your own convictions?

Originally Posted By: EmptyCross

Clicking this link will prove the above statement illogical

647 posts worth of discussion on Bravus' convictions and world view

Originally Posted By: Twilight II

I am asking for Bravus' to reveal his position now on this particular subject.

If he has a past post where he has mentioned this I am happy to read it.

Would you know where that is?

On the subjects you have brought up in this thread?

Right here - glad to help

Do you have a specific post in mind?

You do understand that I have asked for Bravus' position on a very specific principle, don't you?

[Twilight II]

Anyway, I have made my point clearly and succinctly.

I do not see the point in continuing this point on this thread.

If others cannot see the issues or understand the concerns, then there is nothing else I can do on that matter.

I am not going to continue discussing this on here with you Bravus.

But if you want to, you can continue your point on your other thread, which you started in response to my arguments here which I have already responded on.

[cheddar]

No. You are the one advocating for change, it is up to you to make the case.

You have, again, failed to demonstrate that democracy is a Christian principle.

This supports my contention that it is a 'Twilight II principle' that is irrelevant to this site.

Make your case or admit that it was all about you all along.

There is some truth in this.

The God and religion of the bible is closer to a dictatorship than a democracy.

Basically if we do what God commands then we get to live forever, if not we get to burn in hell - not very democratic.

I wouldn't compare him to earthly dictators who are motivated by selfish principles. All his decisions are unselfish.

So he's like a good dictator, but if we wanted to vote him out of office, I don't think it's going to happen.

[Twilight II]

Originally Posted By: Bravus

No. You are the one advocating for change, it is up to you to make the case.

You have, again, failed to demonstrate that democracy is a Christian principle.

This supports my contention that it is a 'Twilight II principle' that is irrelevant to this site.

Make your case or admit that it was all about you all along.

There is some truth in this.

The God and religion of the bible is closer to a dictatorship than a democracy.

Basically if we do what God commands then we get to live forever, if not we get to burn in hell - not very democratic.

I wouldn't compare him to earthly dictators who are motivated by selfish principles. All his decisions are unselfish.

So he's like a good dictator, but if we wanted to vote him out of office, I don't think it's going to happen.

I had to pop back in and address this one.

God does have absolute authority over all Christians and therefore runs a theocracy.

Does it then logically follow that Christians have absolute authority over other Christians?

No.

Christians have a "form" of democracy (the term "democracy" used as a way to define accountability), which holds them accountable to each other.

I hope you can see the difference between the two points.

[Gibs]

Twilight 11,

Let's just hope that the liberal mods are as liberal toward us conservative ones as they are liberal on say the salvation theology and we'll be OK.

I think there is also some conservative mods too and it would be good to have a close balance on the number of each.

I guess I need to learn who all the mods are and read some from each and learn.

Is there a list of moderators? I hadn't caught any.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Stan I work some on a couple very large forums and when they get as big as these two are it isn't so good anymore. Yes they are totally free to all. I really don't understand your reason for wanting this one to be a lot bigger.

With the amount of views some posts get even though many don't comment as will always be the case as a lot of people don't want to be "countered".

Then there is those that love contention and countering on subjects. Those are the ones that make the different post forums work. Then the amount of countering back and when there gets to be too many it gets so but a few on that discussion will run it and all others will be ignored as the thing becomes a fight between that few. Then is when I see it is too big and this gets to be the case on about any topic brought up on these two I know of.

Just some input thoughts Stan. I suppose another option would be to start other named forums to catch other types.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Stan]

Thanks.... I am on the road right now so can not say to much.

One of the reasons why it is a paid, is that we had too many 'drive by shooters' and they were hijacking everyones time and over loading the forum. They would copy and paste from other anti adventist site and some how demand we would respond. That got old after a while.

When people pay, the quality of their posting often goes up because they have to reveal who they actually are when the paypal or send a check. Strange as it seemes, that really make a difference. Even long term members quality of posts go up, in my opinion, when they contribute..

It is just like a Church Business Meeting or a Conference Session. Most Pastors would say, that the people who hog the mike and want to control things EVERYTHING never give much more that a $1 per month. When they begin Tithing and Paying Offerings they end up having a changed character. I really do not understand why that happenes.

Many problems happen here when Men and Women have discussions on the same topic. We are just too different, and for the most part, we cannot connect that well. Men like to fix things, and help straighten out others.. does not go over that well.

We have started a private women's section that I really think is going to be great for community. Gail is in charge of that playground.

I know there are some forums that have enough ads and google income they can pay for staff. I think our income yesterday was something like $3.28 that is typical, although one day we hit 30.00, the amazon income could go higher, that is often 25.00 or so.

Must run ....

[Guest]

Stan, I like ads like the one from Sportsmans Guide, a great place to shop and save and if they pay and since SDA's are health oriented people you might check out

www.swansonvitamins.com/ another great place to shop with A1 products and a full spectrum of any thing in the health field. All the herbals you can imagine.

Thanks for the link Gibs, it looks like a good place to get vitamins and enzymes etc.

[Guest]

Tighten up your settings it may slow things down a bit but it is worth it. I have mine about as tight as they can be set. Some keep trying to break through but so far now all have been given the boot.

What are you using, if you don't mind me asking?

[Gibs]

I use Norton 360 version 5 on the XP and The Win 7 computers, it does slow down the XP some but not much. When I run CA a couple yrs. ago it was very effective but slowed things down more. I like Norton very well and If I changed I would go to Avast but not the free one. There is many other good ones but am familier with those. The XP's will be updated to keep them more safe at least until 2014. A very lot of people love the XP and I do too but Win 7 has now got it beat as 64 bit is faster.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Guest]

I'm liking 7 pretty good. But I've got a super fast processor, and lots of RAM.

I do have an old HP computer with XP on it, but it needs to be reformatted. I did like XP a lot, when I was using it.

[Guest]

[Guest]

Then there is those that love contention and countering on subjects. Those are the ones that make the different post forums work. Then the amount of countering back and when there gets to be too many it gets so but a few on that discussion will run it and all others will be ignored as the thing becomes a fight between that few.

Exactly! There should be enough room for ALL to fight equally.

[skyblue888]

yup, freedom of speech!

[Twilight II]

yup, freedom of speech!

Freedom of liberal speech.

But not freedom of speech...

[Woody]

Quote:

Exactly! There should be enough room for ALL to fight equally.

Yes Richard. Praise God for that.

[Gibs]

Twilight 11,

I think you are safe here to post and comment what many may term legalistic views as it is seen I'm sure in all fairness it must be allowed.

I am with you in liking to see more conservatives among the Moderators and even a true legalist or two wouldn't hurt. The balance system would be easier to come by that way.

The whole Christian world now has most going through them Pearly Gates and I don't see that especially from Jesus Christ's own words. Makes me think we want to check out where we stand.

I pray all might find a blessing by our interacting on these forums.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Woody]

Quote:

I am with you in liking to see more conservatives among the Moderators and even a true legalist or two wouldn't hurt.

Gibs I am sure you will be pleased to know that this forum has a long established history of doing just that.

[Twilight II]

Twilight 11,

I think you are safe here to post and comment what many may term legalistic views as it is seen I'm sure in all fairness it must be allowed.

I am with you in liking to see more conservatives among the Moderators and even a true legalist or two wouldn't hurt. The balance system would be easier to come by that way.

The whole Christian world now has most going through them Pearly Gates and I don't see that especially from Jesus Christ's own words. Makes me think we want to check out where we stand.

I pray all might find a blessing by our interacting on these forums.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs, I am as far from a legalist as you could get. :-)

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Gibs

Twilight 11,

I think you are safe here to post and comment what many may term legalistic views as it is seen I'm sure in all fairness it must be allowed.

I am with you in liking to see more conservatives among the Moderators and even a true legalist or two wouldn't hurt. The balance system would be easier to come by that way.

The whole Christian world now has most going through them Pearly Gates and I don't see that especially from Jesus Christ's own words. Makes me think we want to check out where we stand.

I pray all might find a blessing by our interacting on these forums.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs, I am as far from a legalist as you could get. :-)

I have nothing more to say.