The Great Controversy Project...hijacked??

[Dr. Rich]

Boy Howdy, the church needs your money--please buy these new GC books--as many as possible, and 'scatter' them!

Kinda reminds me of when James told his wife to have another vision so she could write another book so he could print it and sell it to make money.

[ClubV12]

Ha Ha, well I HIGHLY doubt that James wanted Ellen to write another book so they could make more money! It is clear from their life history that both were devoted to the work, devoted to her writing. The primary mission was to get the books out to the public, even if it meant they had to go hungry to pay for that themselves. Which they DID in the early days. To maintain publishing, people have to get paid at some point. The editors, the proof readers, the assistants to the Whites, etc. The Lord is very practical in how He gets the job done through His servants.

[miz3]

Boy Howdy, the church needs your money--please buy these new GC books--as many as possible, and 'scatter' them!

Kinda reminds me of when James told his wife to have another vision so she could write another book so he could print it and sell it to make money.

In other words, make the money without the fallout of the SDA Church .org extreme and hateful (also unBiblical) position on the RCC/Pope.

[Dr. Rich]

Ha Ha, well I HIGHLY doubt that James wanted Ellen to write another book so they could make more money! It is clear from their life history that both were devoted to the work, devoted to her writing. The primary mission was to get the books out to the public, even if it meant they had to go hungry to pay for that themselves. Which they DID in the early days. To maintain publishing, people have to get paid at some point. The editors, the proof readers, the assistants to the Whites, etc. The Lord is very practical in how He gets the job done through His servants.

I see you have not read all of the letters in reference to this issue.

[ClubV12]

I don't need to read ALL of them Dr.Rich!! The life, sacrafice, dedication of the Whites to the Church speaks for itself.

I HAVE read and am aware of various controversies that came up concerning payment and funds for her work, the publishing work, this or that book, why was the printing delayed, blah, blah, blah. Food for fanatics for the most part, enjoy the feast. Disputes on where, when, how the money should be used. Issues over tithe and constituents worried about who, when, how it should be paid. There is no end to the "business details" of the day to day back room operations and politics of how the Church run's it's business. That continues today, I am not blind to it, but heres the thing: My offerings, my tithe, my committment is to the Lord. One avenue of that committment is through the Church. How they handle those monies is between them and God, my offerings are to Him, through them, as His appointed agency.

I won't take my eyes off Jesus and get derailed by all the Church politics.

[miz3]

Good point. It is always about money and power. So it shall always be.

Even the "prophet" (Ellen White) was not immune from enjoying money and power.

It is a human disease that plagues all humanity since Adam's sin.

The "new GC" printing falls into this category of maintaining the power and money. They have no problem throwing Ellen White under the bus when their money and power would be threatened by the truthful full version of what the SDA Church .org actually believes.

Lying is OK as long as the money and the power keep on flowing. They then fool others by calling this simply "good marketing tactics". It is in FACT just simple outright lying and deceitfulness.

[ClubV12]

... one does tire of seeing the constant flow of rebuke and negative spirit that always seems to creep into a thread.

Sister White speaks of those who hurl black balls at the Saints. Some, looked away from Jesus to see where they came from, and then looking at their garments they see the stain left from the black balls striking them. Others kept their eyes fastened on Jesus and the black balls made no stains.

My garment is stained, but I have hope that it can be, will be, washed by Him and made clean.

[Naomi]

... one does tire of seeing the constant flow of rebuke and negative spirit that always seems to creep into a thread.

Sister White speaks of those who hurl black balls at the Saints. Some, looked away from Jesus to see where they came from, and then looking at their garments they see the stain left from the black balls striking them. Others kept their eyes fastened on Jesus and the black balls made no stains.

My garment is stained, but I have hope that it can be, will be, washed by Him and made clean.

Club I am using your quote only because it needs to be repeated.

Quote:

I won't take my eyes off Jesus and get derailed by all the Church politics.

Amen & Amen

[Gail]

... one does tire of seeing the constant flow of rebuke and negative spirit that always seems to creep into a thread.

Sister White speaks of those who hurl black balls at the Saints. Some, looked away from Jesus to see where they came from, and then looking at their garments they see the stain left from the black balls striking them. Others kept their eyes fastened on Jesus and the black balls made no stains.

My garment is stained, but I have hope that it can be, will be, washed by Him and made clean.

The attitude of negativity bothers me, no matter if I do it or if I behold it. :(

[miz3]

Are we supposed to be "positive" when the SDA Church .org:

1. Removes enormous portions of the Great Controversy because they are ashamed of the strong and hateful words used in the original/early versions by someone (Ellen White) they view as an inspired prophet who wrote those strong/hateful words because the SDA Church .org believes God gave them directly to her?

2. Is not truthful about its position in regard to the RCC/Pope?

3. Is not truthful to the "highest power on earth" (the General Conference in Session) about what it plans to do with the "Great Controversy Project"?

4. When the SDA Church .org solicits money under false pretenses in order to fund this watered down version (no matter how pretty and marketable it looks)?

5. When the SDA Church .org is ashamed of what it claims is its "gospel" to the world in "these last days" which is a warning that the RCC/Pope is the "beast" and that its fatal mark is "Sunday worship"?

Please tell me SDA Church .org "faithful" are you really proud and unashamed that your "remnant last day church" is doing all these sinful and untruthful things? Is this really what your god stands for and what you are proud of?

[ClubV12]

Keep your eyes on Jesus, ignore the black balls of discouragment hurled at Gods people!

"The leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But more especially will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because its members are doing after the manner of the world."

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The Church SHALL overcome, the Saints WILL see Jesus in the clouds of glory. ALL those who have died under the third angels message, that would by YOU, dear reader. If you remain faithful, you WILL see the Lord coming!

[CoAspen]

Amen, but some absolutely love it....along with Satan! Yes I said it. After all, it is about truth...isn't it!!!!!

[miz3]

Amen, but some absolutely love it....along with Satan! Yes I said it. After all, it is about truth...isn't it!!!!!

I am not the enemy. It appears that the SDA Church .org is its own worst enemy.

Some are soooooo against everything I say that they will impale themselves with a mortal wound just be opposed to me in spite of the obvious truth of what I have asserted.

If some wish to be blind to the truth I cannot help that. They will stand or fall on their blindness.

You put a pretty dress and some lipstick on a pig you still have a dirty filthy pig. It appears the SDA Church .org has a filthy pig on its hands with this Great Controversy thing.

[CoAspen]

Say man, you need a chill pill! Don't let your hatred blind you. If you believe God is in control, than why all the fret? Let God be God and settle matters in His own time. Mean while, spread the good news of Christ redemption of us all!

Works for me..

[skyblue888]

Are we supposed to be "positive" when the SDA Church .org:

1. Removes enormous portions of the Great Controversy because they are ashamed of the strong and hateful words used in the original/early versions by someone (Ellen White) they view as an inspired prophet who wrote those strong/hateful words because the SDA Church .org believes God gave them directly to her?

2. Is not truthful about its position in regard to the RCC/Pope?

3. Is not truthful to the "highest power on earth" (the General Conference in Session) about what it plans to do with the "Great Controversy Project"?

4. When the SDA Church .org solicits money under false pretenses in order to fund this watered down version (no matter how pretty and marketable it looks)?

5. When the SDA Church .org is ashamed of what it claims is its "gospel" to the world in "these last days" which is a warning that the RCC/Pope is the "beast" and that its fatal mark is "Sunday worship"?

Please tell me SDA Church .org "faithful" are you really proud and unashamed that your "remnant last day church" is doing all these sinful and untruthful things? Is this really what your god stands for and what you are proud of?

miz3, the topic that is to become the focus, the interest that will prevail, the subject that is to swallow up every other, is not the failures, inconsistencies or apostasies of the leadership per se, or the rise, emergence, of the beast and its image but the all-sufficient merits and righteousness of a crucified and risen Saviour.

Those who are to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ through exercising the simple faith of a little child that rests in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour will become "more than conquerors" over their inherited and cultivated tendencies to evil until they reflect the image of God fully. This is the revival of primitive faith and godliness that we have been waiting for for so long and this is how the beast and its image will be exposed and defeated without making sweeping denunciation against these powers.

The church and the whole world will be CAPTIVATED by the glory of an abiding Christ. The revelation of Christ's own glory in the visible human form will bring Heaven so near to men that the beauty adorning the inner temple will be seen in every soul in whom the Saviour shall dwell. And in currents of praise and thanksgiving from the many souls THUS won to God, glory will flow back to the great Giver!

The mystery of God which is Christ in His people the hope of character glory will be finished. (Rev.10:7; Col.1:27)

See C.O.L.419,420 as a commentary upon the prophecy of Isaiah 60:1,

"Rise, shine, for thy light is come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon thee."

sky

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: miz3

Are we supposed to be "positive" when the SDA Church .org:

1. Removes enormous portions of the Great Controversy because they are ashamed of the strong and hateful words used in the original/early versions by someone (Ellen White) they view as an inspired prophet who wrote those strong/hateful words because the SDA Church .org believes God gave them directly to her?

2. Is not truthful about its position in regard to the RCC/Pope?

3. Is not truthful to the "highest power on earth" (the General Conference in Session) about what it plans to do with the "Great Controversy Project"?

4. When the SDA Church .org solicits money under false pretenses in order to fund this watered down version (no matter how pretty and marketable it looks)?

5. When the SDA Church .org is ashamed of what it claims is its "gospel" to the world in "these last days" which is a warning that the RCC/Pope is the "beast" and that its fatal mark is "Sunday worship"?

Please tell me SDA Church .org "faithful" are you really proud and unashamed that your "remnant last day church" is doing all these sinful and untruthful things? Is this really what your god stands for and what you are proud of?

miz3, the topic that is to become the focus, the interest that will prevail, the subject that is to swallow up every other, is not the failures, inconsistencies or apostasies of the leadership per se, or the rise, emergence, of the beast and its image but the all-sufficient merits and righteousness of a crucified and risen Saviour.

Those who are to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ through exercising the simple faith of a little child that rests in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour will become "more than conquerors" over their inherited and cultivated tendencies to evil until they reflect the image of God fully. This is the revival of primitive faith and godliness that we have been waiting for for so long and this is how the beast and its image will be exposed and defeated without making sweeping denunciation against these powers.

The church and the whole world will be CAPTIVATED by the glory of an abiding Christ. The revelation of Christ's own glory in the visible human form will bring Heaven so near to men that the beauty adorning the inner temple will be seen in every soul in whom the Saviour shall dwell. And in currents of praise and thanksgiving from the many souls THUS won to God, glory will flow back to the great Giver!

The mystery of God will be finished. (Rev.10:7; Col.1:27)

See C.O.L.419,420 as a commentary upon the prophecy of Isaiah 60:1,

"Rise, shine, for thy light is come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon thee."

sky

I still cannot understand how SDA Church .org believers can rejoice in anything that is promoted by a lie and deceit.

[ClubV12]

Sky, I suspect Gods people will not reach the level of piety here spoken of until there is substantial persecution and a severe time of trial. I just don't see it happening in a time of peace and safety.

And to me that is not discouraging, it is just reality. A time when we will not be able to work, go to school, even going to Church will be a challenge. Will we even be able to buy gas, or insure the car, or pay for repairs? At some point none of that will possible. Now the GOOD NEWS is, with these things removed from our life, difficult adjustment though it be, we will experience a greater spiritual freedom than was ever possible before!

As that time of persecution, (and I'm NOT talking about the time of trouble, but the times that lead up to it), steadily increases and we are forced to retire to secluded country homes, in preparation for even fleeing them to hide in the wilderness areas, it will be a time of intense spiritual awareness and soul searching.

It will be a balance between being practical (what to eat, how to secure food, we really will actually get hungry and thirsty) and yet trusting in God to provide. Don't expect God to feed you like your eating now, you will have "enough", not more.

I believe these very real world difficulties will come as a shock to those who are still living with the idea that, somehow, God will just take care of everything, no worries! Our bread and water will be sure, it will, in due time, when you get hungry enough, thirsty enough and completely out of any practical hope for taking care of yourself. So your not going to plant that garden, instead your going to sit there and wait for a miracle? Don't hold your breath... Even James and Ellen White went hungry, experienced malnutrition, got sick, God is no respector of persons, prophets or not!

Ah,,, but THIS is the time we will really draw close to the Lord, if we stay faithful. THIS is the time when the full meaning of our only hope is His righteousness will be realized. As terrible as it's going to be, there is a wonderful rainbow peeking through the dark storm clouds.

A time to walk off into the woods and drop that now useless wallet on the nearest stump! Complete freedom and total dependance on Him.

Daniel 12:7 "when the power of the Holy people is broken..."

When we have exhausted every possible avenue of "self help", when we are at our most desperate moment, when we recognize our works are absolutely worthless and accept His righteousness, then will the end come.

[miz3]

As I said before, I find it amazing in a negative way that those who claim to be God's perfect remnant people would rejoice and be happy when their SDA Church .org engages in lies, deceit and "slick marketing" and actually tries to portray themselves as something they have never been in what they believe about the RCC/Pope.

I don't find the God of the Bible anything like these people. God is always Truthful and never ever engages in deceitfulness.

God never ever calls what He does "slick marketing" either. The devil uses "slick marketing" and rejoices.

[Lysimachus]

As I said before, I find it amazing in a negative way that those who claim to be God's perfect remnant people would rejoice and be happy when their SDA Church .org engages in lies, deceit and "slick marketing" and actually tries to portray themselves as something they have never been in what they believe about the RCC/Pope.

I don't find the God of the Bible anything like these people. God is always Truthful and never ever engages in deceitfulness.

God never ever calls what He does "slick marketing" either. The devil uses "slick marketing" and rejoices.

Regardless, there are true people of God in and out of the Church that manifest what it means to exemplify true Biblical Adventism, despite the corrupt practices taking place within the organized structure.

Your failure here Miz3 is that you are using the wrong practices of the SDA .org as an excuse to disqualify the God ordained messages committed to them, despite their failure in many areas to efficiently proclaim that message to the world and live up to them in their lives.

Truth is truth, regardless of how bad the people are that it was committed to. But somehow you want to believe that because the people you spot are at fault, this must mean the truths committed to them are at fault as well.

If this is how you feel, why not let it be you to take up the challenge and proclaim these truths to the world? Instead, you lump the truth with the faults of the people as if they are one and the same, and this is where you make total shipwreck, and are sitting stranded on a rock.

You don't know how to put it all together in your head right. Apparently.

[miz3]

Originally Posted By: miz3

As I said before, I find it amazing in a negative way that those who claim to be God's perfect remnant people would rejoice and be happy when their SDA Church .org engages in lies, deceit and "slick marketing" and actually tries to portray themselves as something they have never been in what they believe about the RCC/Pope.

I don't find the God of the Bible anything like these people. God is always Truthful and never ever engages in deceitfulness.

God never ever calls what He does "slick marketing" either. The devil uses "slick marketing" and rejoices.

Regardless, there are true people of God in and out of the Church that manifest what it means to exemplify true Biblical Adventism, despite the corrupt practices taking place within the organized structure.

Your failure here Miz3 is that you are using the wrong practices of the SDA .org as an excuse to disqualify the God ordained messages committed to them, despite their failure in many areas to efficiently proclaim that message to the world.

Truth is truth, regardless of how bad the people are that it was committed to. But somehow you want to believe that because the people you spot are at fault, this must mean the truths committed to them are at fault as well.

If this is how you feel, why not let it be you to take up the challenge and proclaim these truths to the world? Instead, you lump the truth with the faults of the people as if they are one and the same, and this is where you make total shipwreck, and are sitting stranded on a rock.

You don't know how to put it all together in your head right. Apparently.

Your problem in this post is that you are asserting that "right message" is being given and that the only fault is in the method of conveyance.Unfortunately your assertion is not true.

The true FACT is that SDA Church .org is giving the wrong message as well as using the wrong methodology.

God cannot bless us when we do not give the correct message. It is inevitable that wrong methodology will be used because SDA Church .org are doing things without consulting God except in a "proforma" way.

1. Wrong message.

2. Wrong methodology.

The same mistake the Jews made.

Could the SDA Church .org give the correct message? God has given the SDA Church .org the ability to give the correct message.

No, the Sanctuary/Investigative/1844 and that we are in last days (we might be but no one knows for sure) and that the RCC/Pope is the beast and Sunday is the mark of the beast are NOT THE CORRECT MESSAGE.

In FACT it is the totally wrong message. It isn't even close.

[skyblue888]

Well said lysi

"Even if all our leading men should refuse light and truth... the Lord will raise up men who will give the people the message for this time." T.M.107.

sky

[Lysimachus]

Your problem in this post is that you are asserting that "right message" is being given and that the only fault is in the method of conveyance.Unfortunately your assertion is not true.

The true FACT is that SDA Church .org is giving the wrong message as well as using the wrong methodology.

God cannot bless us when we do not give the correct message. It is inevitable that wrong methodology will be used because SDA Church .org are doing things without consulting God except in a "proforma" way.

1. Wrong message.

2. Wrong methodology.

The same mistake the Jews made.

Could the SDA Church .org give the correct message? God has given the SDA Church .org the ability to give the correct message.

No, the Sanctuary/Investigative/1844 and that we are in last days (we might be but no one knows for sure) and that the RCC/Pope is the beast and Sunday is the mark of the beast are NOT THE CORRECT MESSAGE.

[Lysimachus]

Well said lysi

"Even if all our leading men should refuse light and truth... the Lord will raise up men who will give the people the message for this time." T.M.107.

sky

AMEN SKY!

[Dr. Rich]

Originally Posted By: CoAspen

Amen, but some absolutely love it....along with Satan! Yes I said it. After all, it is about truth...isn't it!!!!!

I am not the enemy. It appears that the SDA Church .org is its own worst enemy.

Some are soooooo against everything I say that they will impale themselves with a mortal wound just be opposed to me in spite of the obvious truth of what I have asserted.

If some wish to be blind to the truth I cannot help that. They will stand or fall on their blindness.

You put a pretty dress and some lipstick on a pig you still have a dirty filthy pig. It appears the SDA Church .org has a filthy pig on its hands with this Great Controversy thing.

Pig? Yep! thanks Miz3 for getting us to 'see' the picture. Jesus said that those who pray to the Father while having sin (believeing a lie) are like a man who shakes annother man's hand and then kicks him in the groin. it would be MUCH better never to pray at all, then to pray while practicing a lie.

[Dr. Rich]

Well said lysi

"Even if all our leading men should refuse light and truth... the Lord will raise up men who will give the people the message for this time." T.M.107.

sky

Problem is, the majority will refuse to listen to the people who God sends them--because they are full of "food offered to idols" lies from others.