The Great Controversy Project...hijacked??

[miz3]

Lysimachus, when your message is wrong and unBiblical and your methodology is wrong, even evil by the "world's standards", then it cannot be blessed by God.

Your response to me shows that you lack maturity although you speak as if you have seen it all, when it is clear that you have hardly seen anything. Jesus spoke about those who were blind like this when He spoke to Pharisees. Today the SDA Church .org has become a nest of Pharisees and their religion/theology is a blind useless knowledge that leads away from God/Jesus Christ and leads right to the glorification of the "human entity instead of giving glory to the Almighty God where it belongs.

Unfortunately the unBiblical message of the SDA Church .org is intertwined so closely with the lies and deceit in the methodology that the two cannot be separated.

The SDA Church .org leads many astray with their false unBiblical message that is "human centric" and causes these ones to believe that everything is about the human and what the human does.

It is a Religion like the RCC/Pope that requires a person to do something in order to be saved. When the Bible and the Bible only states that God saved everyone without the human entity doing anything. Only those who REJECT God's Gift will burn in Hell and that includes those who REJECT God's honest methods and practice lies and deceit.

God cannot be in this Great Controversy lie and deceit methodology and if the SDA Church .org was God's true organ they would not engage in such practices either.

The saying of old is true: That RCC/Pope people make the best SDA Church .org converts.

As I heard on former RCC member this very day say how comfortable they felt in the SDA Church .org because of all the rules and all the human having to do to show righteousness. This same person also thankfully testified that it took them years to finally know God and become intimate with God and that changed everything and it does.

The SDA Church .org is so much like the RCC/Pope it is amazing that it holds such hateful and extreme animosity toward Rome.

The SDA Church .org because it clings to its false beginnings historically has lost the battle, if not the war, that began with the Protestant Reformation. The SDA Church .org is closer to the RCC/Pope than it is to the true Protestant Reformation.

The SDA Church .org has become a "historical church" instead of a "Spiritual Church". God gave it a chance to become a "Spiritual Church" but like the Jews of old they would rather cling to their failed and false "history" than cling to God/Jesus Christ.

[Dr. Rich]

Now, now Miz3, let's not jump out of the pan and into the fire, either. The way I see it right now, they (the corporate SDA group) have lulled themselves to sleep believeing they are saved by grace just as all of the other christian churches have. I believe the SDA church is special, but not the same way you see it. It's special because they profess to keep all of the ten commandments, while ignoring the words of Jesus saying to follow Him (ONLY HIM).

Salvation is not a gift in that this 'gift' required a price to pay for the penalty Adam and Eve did not pay. It is a gift however, for those who accept it by abiding in Him and to do that one must abide in His words.

The book called "The Great Controversy" makes for a great read for the most part for those who are wondering where they fit into the picture here on this globe. Problem is, people take it as the truth, when only the words of Jesus and the OT can be taken as truth.

[phkrause]

The book called "The Great Controversy" makes for a great read for the most part for those who are wondering where they fit into the picture here on this globe. Problem is, people take it as the truth, when only the words of Jesus and the OT can be taken as truth.

Let me see if I got this right! The GC is an OK read if we want to figure out where we fit it? But yet at the same time we shouldn't take it as truth? So after I have read it and figured out where I stand or fit in as you have stated, than I have to throw that out because as you've mentioned the book has no truth! So why waste my time reading it if its not got any truth in it???????? Because after I figure out where I fit in, it wont be correct because it isn't the truth anyway!!!!! Or am I getting that right? So now I'm confused, I'd like to read it, but I don't want to find out that later that its not true where I fit in. Thanks for straighten me out!!!!

[ClubV12]

Of course PHK is NOT confused by the book Great Controversy and the truth it contains. ...

God's people since the time of Adam have been looking for His imminent return. As the Messiah and after His death, for His second coming. God had the biblical authors write in such a way that all generations and all ages would believe that His return was imminent in their lifetime. At any moment, any time, this has always been Gods will for man. It is an essential truth for all of us, always has been, we know not the day or the hour when our souls may be required of us.

You can see a sort of trend in Pauls life as he gets older and begins to realize his own death may well come before the Lord returns. The people of his time were only vaguely aware of the prophecies that must be fulfilled before the Lord could return. In hindsite, we see them clearly. And today? His return is very near, even at the door. WE DO have significant hindsite to base that assessment on, many many of the signs that must be fulfilled HAVE been fulfilled.

MOST of Daniel 11, a key prophecy predicting the second coming, has been fulfilled. MOST of it, and now, they who are watching are seeing the signs of the last part of Daniel being fulfilled before our very eyes! PERHAPS in our lifetime! And if they aren't fulfilled in our lifetime? I'm OK with that, I will not waver, like the early Christians of the New Testament Church, I will patiently wait and count the days as if His coming is very close, even at the door, perhaps in my lifetime!

[CoAspen]

Ya, rather confusing PK........., , but not so much about who is perhaps confused the most!

Hang in there, I think you have it, not that I doubted!

[Dr. Rich]

Those who are truely confused are the ones who make the Great Controversy on par with the bible. That, PK and CoAspen, is a fact! EGW did not write the book as a fact, but when people use it to establish truth over what the bible has, that is what I was simply talking about--but then you could care less I supose, so be it!

[ClubV12]

People, like myself and other Seventh-day Adventists, use it (the Spirit of Prophecy) to establish truth in conjunction with and in complete harmony of what the bible has to say on these topics.

[Dr. Rich]

Yes, you are correct. There are two words that Jesus called these people. "Foolish Virgins".

[miz3]

Yes, you are correct. There are two words that Jesus called these people. "Foolish Virgins".

Not too long ago in Sabbath School (at an SDA Church .org) I quoted the Bible which said something contrary to another person's assertion.

A third individual retorted to me by saying, "Mrs. White says .................."

What followed was a quote of Ellen White which directly contradicted what the Bible was saying and amazingly no one batted an eyelash because Mrs. White was viewed as being superior to anything the Bible said and was the last word in any dispute.

It did not matter what the Bible said, when Mrs. White spoke that alone was final arbiter of all things.

I believe we see the same thing in many cases on this forum even though those who do such things yell and howl that they don't do this.

We can only judge them by their practices and their behavior not by their wordy denials.

[Lysimachus]

SDA .org ... SDA .org .... SDA .org

Is that all how we must see Adventism?

What about Present Truth? Present Truth? Present Truth?

Let's leave the .org out of it, and focus on the MESSAGE!

[ClubV12]

Miz3 it is more likely you were the only on in that sabbath school class that THOUGHT the Ellen White quote contradicted the bible when in fact it was in perfect harmony with the bible.

Lots of people think they find Ellen White quotes that contradict the bible, I have yet to see a single example of that. Of course, lots of people think the bible contradicts itself as well. Most of the time it isn't even worth the trouble to comment on....

[CoAspen]

Club, I think it is time to shake the dust off your feet and move on!!!

[ClubV12]

Solid advice CoAspen. Thanks for reminding me.

[miz3]

SDA .org ... SDA .org .... SDA .org

Is that all how we must see Adventism?

What about Present Truth? Present Truth? Present Truth?

Let's leave the .org out of it, and focus on the MESSAGE!

The problem is you cannot separate the SDA Church .org from the message. The SDA Church .org faithful have repeatedly said so even on this very forum.

I can understand your wanting some distance between the .org and the message. However, the "faithful" will never do that.

Face it Lysimachus the .org and the message are the same thing where the SDA Church .org and their message of RCC/Pope hatefulness and bashing, in addition to their unBiblical doctrines of the Sanctuary/the Investigative Judgment/1844.

I know how uncomfortable you must feel but you made your bed with the SDA Church .org and all that goes with such a connection. Now face the consequences.

You are locked into the SDA Church .org deceit, lies, and unBiblical doctrines whether you like it or not. If you accept the SDA Church .org message you accept the SDA Church .org itself and all that goes with it. The two are inseparable. Unless.......

Of course you could always change your mind and go with the Truth instead. I doubt you will but it is an option.

[miz3]

By the way Lysimachus, you can shake the "dust" off your feet but you cannot shake the stigma and sins of the lying of the .org, or the hateful, bashing of the RCC/Pope nor the unBiblicalness or the Sanctuary/Investigative Judgment/1844.

[skyblue888]

miz, the Bible says that all of these things that happened to the Jewish Church.org were written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor.10:11) To the JewishChurch.org had been given the special truths for their time. To them were given the sanctuary message, the Sabbath truth, and whatever truth needed to prepare them for the first Advent of our Lord. By the time Jesus was born the JewishChurch. org had wandered so far away from God that they no longer discerned the precious truth. We are told that the very priests who ministered in the temple had lost sight of the significance of the service they performed. That they had ceased to look beyond the symbol to the thing signified. The ordinances which God Himself had appointed were made the means of blinding the mind and hardening the heart. Now please get this, God could do no more for man through these channels. The whole system must be swept away. Those whom God had called to be the ground and pillar of the truth had become the representatives of Satan. See D.A.36.

So we see that by the time Jesus was born Satan had sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the JewishChurch.org and yet when Jesus began His ministry He did not make sweeping denunciations of the Jewish Church.org but He went about doing good and teaching the truths that had been lost sight of under the rubbish of multitudes of rabbinical traditions and useless speculations. To expose the false teachers He even spoke in parables. One of them was the parable of Matt.22, the parable of the Wedding Garment. In that parable He predicted what was to take place within the JewishChurch.org. The parable contains two calls that were to be made to the JewishChurch.org. Before the crucifixion Jesus sent the 12 and the 70 to the JewishChurch.org with a message to accept the Messiah which was their only hope to turn from their evil ways but the message was made light of. This rejection of the first call of the parable was followed by the crucifixion of Christ.

At the time of His birth the leaders of the JewishChurch.org had already become the representatives of Satan and now, after rejecting the first invitation to receive the Gospel they crucified the Lord of glory and put Him to an open shame. Then what? Well, after the resurrection Jesus appeared to His disciples and conversed with them and before His ascension He told them to wait for the Comforter. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost marked the beginning of the second call to the JewishChurch.org. Again the invitation to receive the Gospel was offered to them. Instead of being a message of condemnation of the JewishChurch.org, the message carried on by God's messengers was the offer of pardon through faith in the merits of Him whom they had just unjustly and cruelly put to death. That message only exasperated them and before long they turned upon the bearers of that last message of mercy. There was a great persecution. Many were thrust into prison and some of the Lord's messengers, as Stephen and James, were put to death. See C.O.L.308,309.

Thus the JewishChurch.org sealed her rejection of God's mercy. In the parable there is a third call, not to the JewishChurch.org but to the Gentiles. Because of the persecution the disciples of Christ were forced to turn to the Gentile world. "The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." Matt.22:8.

Can we not see that this parable delineates for us the final events within the AdventistChurch.org? Did not these things happen unto the JewishChurch.org for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come? Jesus had spoken this parable more for the AdventistChurch.org than for the JewishChurch.org

He was looking down the ages with His eye fixed upon the Advent Movement in 1844 to the close of human probation. He saw that in 1844 the Advent people would fail of entering into the marriage, the union of humanity with the divinity of Jesus, and because of that the finishing of the work in the world would have to be delayed. He also saw that the first call of the parable in 1888 would be resisted, made light of. He also saw that some time after the rejection of this first call of the parable, the messages that had been entrusted to the AdventistChurch.org would be crucified. (1955-1957)

After this crucifixion He saw that there remained the second and final call of the parable to the AdventistChurch.org. in latter rain power.

Will this message be a message of condemnation? No more than it was to the JewishChurch.org after the crucifixion. No, the last message of mercy to the Adventistchurch.org will also be the offer of pardon for having crucified the Lord of glory in the messages that had been entrusted to us as a people, the final opportunity for the AdventistChurch.org to come into working order by daily accepting and claiming the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour that they might become vessels fit for the Master's use.

It is the rejection of that last call of mercy that will seal the AdventistChurch.org's rejection of God's mercy. By persecuting the bearers of that message the AdventistChurch.org would seal her rejection of God's mercy as did the JewishChurch.org in A.D.34. The bearers of that message and their converts would then be forced to turn to the world with their message and it would swell into the loud cry and when their mission would be completed, the judgment of the living at the time of the great final test would accomplish the final separation between the good and the bad and their destiny would be forever fixed. Those at that point in time who receive the final seal would become the 144,000 who are to go through time of Jacob's trouble and to be translated without seeing death.

Even the message to the world will not be a message of condemnation but the offer of salvation through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring the righteousness of Christ into the life which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God including the Sabbath.

Does that make any sense at all?

Feedback appreciated.

God bless!

sky

*As you can see, the above is not a message to call people out of the AdventistChurch.org any more than Jesus during His ministry or the disciples at Pentecost called people out of the JewishChurch.org. The message to leave the AdventistChurch.org cannot be present truth until the second call has been rejected, if that message is rejected. All we need to ask is, What does the parable say? That way we cannot go wrong.

[ClubV12]

Sky, the Seventh-day Adventist Church will not fall, as you continually suggest, imply and preach. People do not have to leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church in order to accept righteousness by faith, as you have suggested. People do not have to give up their membership in the Church, as you have done, to find salvation.

"Does that make any sense at all?"

Did Dr. Kelloggs book make any sense at all? Of course it did. Sister White said that book was SO close to the truth it was extremely difficult to see the serious and deadly error contained therein.

[Dr. Rich]

But how did she know what was the real truth? What did SHE test Kellogg's book with to know it was close to the truth but wasn't? What is YOUR test to know what the real truth is? That's the real quesiton!

[ClubV12]

She had a vision, one of the 200 plus she had over her lifetime, concerning what to do about Kelloggs apostasy. She had previously tried to ignore it, not wishing to fan the flames, but that seldom works in a spiritual arena. She was told instead to "meet it", deal with it head on, get out in the open and call sin by it's right name.

Kelloggs book is exceedingly dangerous to the point we are told, by the Lords messenger, to not even read it!

Those FBI guys looking for counterfitters don't study the counterfits, they study the real Government bills. That way when they do see a counterfit, they recognize it as such. There is no need for us to study error and false doctrine, Dr.Rich. We should study the truth established by the Lord when this people, the Seventh-day Adventists were raised up. The doctrine first established stand firm, they have not been moved, they will not be moved. We must build ON them, not tear them down.

[miz3]

miz, the Bible says that all of these things that happened to the Jewish Church.org were written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor.10:11) To the JewishChurch.org had been given the special truths for their time. To them were given the sanctuary message, the Sabbath truth, and whatever truth needed to prepare them for the first Advent of our Lord. By the time Jesus was born the JewishChurch. org had wandered so far away from God that they no longer discerned the precious truth. We are told that the very priests who ministered in the temple had lost sight of the significance of the service they performed. That they had ceased to look beyond the symbol to the thing signified. The ordinances which God Himself had appointed were made the means of blinding the mind and hardening the heart. Now please get this, God could do no more for man through these channels. The whole system must be swept away. Those whom God had called to be the ground and pillar of the truth had become the representatives of Satan. See D.A.36.

So we see that by the time Jesus was born Satan had sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the JewishChurch.org and yet when Jesus began His ministry He did not make sweeping denunciations of the Jewish Church.org but He went about doing good and teaching the truths that had been lost sight of under the rubbish of multitudes of rabbinical traditions and useless speculations. To expose the false teachers He even spoke in parables. One of them was the parable of Matt.22, the parable of the Wedding Garment. In that parable He predicted what was to take place within the JewishChurch.org. The parable contains two calls that were to be made to the JewishChurch.org. Before the crucifixion Jesus sent the 12 and the 70 to the JewishChurch.org with a message to accept the Messiah which was their only hope to turn from their evil ways but the message was made light of. This rejection of the first call of the parable was followed by the crucifixion of Christ.

At the time of His birth the leaders of the JewishChurch.org had already become the representatives of Satan and now, after rejecting the first invitation to receive the Gospel they crucified the Lord of glory and put Him to an open shame. Then what? Well, after the resurrection Jesus appeared to His disciples and conversed with them and before His ascension He told them to wait for the Comforter. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost marked the beginning of the second call to the JewishChurch.org. Again the invitation to receive the Gospel was offered to them. Instead of being a message of condemnation of the JewishChurch.org, the message carried on by God's messengers was the offer of pardon through faith in the merits of Him whom they had just unjustly and cruelly put to death. That message only exasperated them and before long they turned upon the bearers of that last message of mercy. There was a great persecution. Many were thrust into prison and some of the Lord's messengers, as Stephen and James, were put to death. See C.O.L.308,309.

Thus the JewishChurch.org sealed her rejection of God's mercy. In the parable there is a third call, not to the JewishChurch.org but to the Gentiles. Because of the persecution the disciples of Christ were forced to turn to the Gentile world. "The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." Matt.22:8.

Can we not see that this parable delineates for us the final events within the AdventistChurch.org? Did not these things happen unto the JewishChurch.org for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come? Jesus had spoken this parable more for the AdventistChurch.org than for the JewishChurch.org

He was looking down the ages with His eye fixed upon the Advent Movement in 1844 to the close of human probation. He saw that in 1844 the Advent people would fail of entering into the marriage, the union of humanity with the divinity of Jesus, and because of that the finishing of the work in the world would have to be delayed. He also saw that the first call of the parable in 1888 would be resisted, made light of. He also saw that some time after the rejection of this first call of the parable, the messages that had been entrusted to the AdventistChurch.org would be crucified. (1955-1957)

After this crucifixion He saw that there remained the second and final call of the parable to the AdventistChurch.org. in latter rain power.

Will this message be a message of condemnation? No more than it was to the JewishChurch.org after the crucifixion. No, the last message of mercy to the Adventistchurch.org will also be the offer of pardon for having crucified the Lord of glory in the messages that had been entrusted to us as a people, the final opportunity for the AdventistChurch.org to come into working order by daily accepting and claiming the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour that they might become vessels fit for the Master's use.

It is the rejection of that last call of mercy that will seal the AdventistChurch.org's rejection of God's mercy. By persecuting the bearers of that message the AdventistChurch.org would seal her rejection of God's mercy as did the JewishChurch.org in A.D.34. The bearers of that message and their converts would then be forced to turn to the world with their message and it would swell into the loud cry and when their mission would be completed, the judgment of the living at the time of the great final test would accomplish the final separation between the good and the bad and their destiny would be forever fixed. Those at that point in time who receive the final seal would become the 144,000 who are to go through time of Jacob's trouble and to be translated without seeing death.

Even the message to the world will not be a message of condemnation but the offer of salvation through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring the righteousness of Christ into the life which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God including the Sabbath.

Does that make any sense at all?

Feedback appreciated.

God bless!

sky

*As you can see, the above is not a message to call people out of the AdventistChurch.org any more than Jesus during His ministry or the disciples at Pentecost called people out of the JewishChurch.org. The message to leave the AdventistChurch.org cannot be present truth until the second call has been rejected, if that message is rejected. All we need to ask is, What does the parable say? That way we cannot go wrong.

All this is your opinion and Ellen White's opinion. None of this is Biblical FACT.

I am NOT CALLING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SDA CHURCH .ORG.

[skyblue888]

miz, where did I say you were calling people out of the church.org? If it were a matter of mere opinions I would not even bother to post. What I have posted has nothing to do with an opinion. The 1888 message was resisted on account of prejudices and opinions. "The prejudices and opinions that prevailed at Minneapolis are not dead by any means; the seeds sown there in some hearts are ready to spring into life and bear a like harvest." T.M.467.

The Word of God says that the experience of the church in the past will be repeated as we enter upon the closing work. (1 Cor.10:11) That the experience of the JewishChurch.org in the days of Christ will be repeated within our ranks. That also means that what the prophets wrote for their time is also in force for our own time. Jesus was the greatest of the prophets and the parable of Matt.22, the parable of the Wedding Garment which has everything to do with the investigative judgment He spoke especially for our own time beginning with His passing from the Holy to the Most Holy Place on Oct.22, 1844.

You apparently missed the point I was trying to make which is that no matter how dire the condition of the JewishChurch.org was before and at the time Jesus began His ministry, and even after He was put to death, the message was one of mercy, of salvation. The second call of the parable was the offer of pardon for having crucified the Lord of glory but that message only exasperated those responsible for this and they turned upon the bearers of the message. The stoning of Stephen sealed their rejection of God's mercy as a church.org. Then the disciples turned to the Gentiles.

1888 was the first call of the parable to the AdventistChurch.org. That call was rejected just as the first call to the JewishChurch.org was, as predicted in the parable. Then came the crucifixion of Christ by crucifying the messages that had been entrusted to us as a people. This took place in the 1950s. We are now living in the time of the second call of the parable which is to be proclaimed, one more time, in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God. If this message is again rejected and the bearers of that mesage persecuted, the AdventistChurch.org will seal her rejection of God's mercy. Probation will close on the church.org and the bearers of the message will be forced to turn to the Gentiles, to the world, (third call of the parable) and the message will swell into the loud cry and thus the earth will be lighthened with the glory of the third angel's message.

sky

[miz3]

miz, the Bible says that all of these things that happened to the Jewish Church.org were written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor.10:11) To the JewishChurch.org had been given the special truths for their time. To them were given the sanctuary message, the Sabbath truth, and whatever truth needed to prepare them for the first Advent of our Lord. By the time Jesus was born the JewishChurch. org had wandered so far away from God that they no longer discerned the precious truth. We are told that the very priests who ministered in the temple had lost sight of the significance of the service they performed. That they had ceased to look beyond the symbol to the thing signified. The ordinances which God Himself had appointed were made the means of blinding the mind and hardening the heart. Now please get this, God could do no more for man through these channels. The whole system must be swept away. Those whom God had called to be the ground and pillar of the truth had become the representatives of Satan. See D.A.36.

So we see that by the time Jesus was born Satan had sought every occasion to take control of the minds of the JewishChurch.org and yet when Jesus began His ministry He did not make sweeping denunciations of the Jewish Church.org but He went about doing good and teaching the truths that had been lost sight of under the rubbish of multitudes of rabbinical traditions and useless speculations. To expose the false teachers He even spoke in parables. One of them was the parable of Matt.22, the parable of the Wedding Garment. In that parable He predicted what was to take place within the JewishChurch.org. The parable contains two calls that were to be made to the JewishChurch.org. Before the crucifixion Jesus sent the 12 and the 70 to the JewishChurch.org with a message to accept the Messiah which was their only hope to turn from their evil ways but the message was made light of. This rejection of the first call of the parable was followed by the crucifixion of Christ.

At the time of His birth the leaders of the JewishChurch.org had already become the representatives of Satan and now, after rejecting the first invitation to receive the Gospel they crucified the Lord of glory and put Him to an open shame. Then what? Well, after the resurrection Jesus appeared to His disciples and conversed with them and before His ascension He told them to wait for the Comforter. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost marked the beginning of the second call to the JewishChurch.org. Again the invitation to receive the Gospel was offered to them. Instead of being a message of condemnation of the JewishChurch.org, the message carried on by God's messengers was the offer of pardon through faith in the merits of Him whom they had just unjustly and cruelly put to death. That message only exasperated them and before long they turned upon the bearers of that last message of mercy. There was a great persecution. Many were thrust into prison and some of the Lord's messengers, as Stephen and James, were put to death. See C.O.L.308,309.

Thus the JewishChurch.org sealed her rejection of God's mercy. In the parable there is a third call, not to the JewishChurch.org but to the Gentiles. Because of the persecution the disciples of Christ were forced to turn to the Gentile world. "The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." Matt.22:8.

Can we not see that this parable delineates for us the final events within the AdventistChurch.org? Did not these things happen unto the JewishChurch.org for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come? Jesus had spoken this parable more for the AdventistChurch.org than for the JewishChurch.org

He was looking down the ages with His eye fixed upon the Advent Movement in 1844 to the close of human probation. He saw that in 1844 the Advent people would fail of entering into the marriage, the union of humanity with the divinity of Jesus, and because of that the finishing of the work in the world would have to be delayed. He also saw that the first call of the parable in 1888 would be resisted, made light of. He also saw that some time after the rejection of this first call of the parable, the messages that had been entrusted to the AdventistChurch.org would be crucified. (1955-1957)

After this crucifixion He saw that there remained the second and final call of the parable to the AdventistChurch.org. in latter rain power.

Will this message be a message of condemnation? No more than it was to the JewishChurch.org after the crucifixion. No, the last message of mercy to the Adventistchurch.org will also be the offer of pardon for having crucified the Lord of glory in the messages that had been entrusted to us as a people, the final opportunity for the AdventistChurch.org to come into working order by daily accepting and claiming the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour that they might become vessels fit for the Master's use.

It is the rejection of that last call of mercy that will seal the AdventistChurch.org's rejection of God's mercy. By persecuting the bearers of that message the AdventistChurch.org would seal her rejection of God's mercy as did the JewishChurch.org in A.D.34. The bearers of that message and their converts would then be forced to turn to the world with their message and it would swell into the loud cry and when their mission would be completed, the judgment of the living at the time of the great final test would accomplish the final separation between the good and the bad and their destiny would be forever fixed. Those at that point in time who receive the final seal would become the 144,000 who are to go through time of Jacob's trouble and to be translated without seeing death.

Even the message to the world will not be a message of condemnation but the offer of salvation through faith in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring the righteousness of Christ into the life which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God including the Sabbath.

Does that make any sense at all?

Feedback appreciated.

God bless!

sky

*As you can see, the above is not a message to call people out of the AdventistChurch.org any more than Jesus during His ministry or the disciples at Pentecost called people out of the JewishChurch.org. The message to leave the AdventistChurch.org cannot be present truth until the second call has been rejected, if that message is rejected. All we need to ask is, What does the parable say? That way we cannot go wrong.

[Nic Samojluk]

Lysimachus wrote:

“I got a newsletter from David Mould, and this link was in it:

http://www.lrltv.org/controversy-hijacked.html

This is very disturbing.”

Yes, it is very disturbing and on more counts than one! It was wrong for the General Conference to advertize this new book as the “Great Controversy” when in fact crucial chapters had been deleted from the book.

Those donors who innocently gave money for the project are entitled to a full refund. The church has the right to drop some chapters from the book if said material is no longer relevant, but the truth in advertizing is a sacred cow which no one has the right to sacrifice. Donors are entitled to a full disclosure of the facts.

At the same time, I believe that David Mould should show some respect for the Adventist Church and is leaders, regardless of the fact that they are prone to make mistakes. He should be humble enough and recognize that he is not perfect either.

I remember that following my purchase of the “Great Controversy” he published many years ago, I received a strange letter from one of the members of his staff notifying me that his entire staff had resigned in protest for his adulterous behavior.

I have no way of verifying the accuracy of said report, and do acknowledge of the fact that, like King David, he might have repented of his sin; but knowing his personal weakness, he should be merciful towards others.

“Ellen White would have fallen off her chair if she saw this.”

I am not so sure about Ellen White reaction in the event she were to come back to life. My reason is very simple. Ellen would recognize that the Catholic Church, in spite of all its doctrinal failings, should be commended for its solid position regarding the right to life of the unborn; while we Adventists have compromised with the Devil over this moral issue.

We have watered down the Sixth Commandment beyond recognition with our “Guidelines on Abortion” document which opened the door for elective abortions, and we have looked the other way while several of our own hospitals have been offering abortions on demand since 1970—three years prior to the legalization of abortion in the U.S. mainland.

I know this to be a fact, since I wrote my doctoral dissertation about this issue. If this topic is of interest to you, go to http://lulu.com and type my name—Nic Samojluk--on the search blank space.

I believe that Ellen White would give credit where credit is due. This is what I learn from the way God treated the seven churches in the book of Revelation. He pointed their faults, and did no overlook their good deeds either.

[skyblue888]

Originally Posted By: miz3

All this is your opinion and Ellen White's opinion. None of this is Biblical FACT.

I am NOT CALLING PEOPLE OUT OF THE SDA CHURCH .ORG.[/quote']

This time I highlighted your statement about calling people out of the SDA Church .org.

Second I still say this is your opinion and that none of this is Biblical FACT.

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That note at the bottom of my post was not addressed to you personally. Just a general statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Pray tell me, miz, what is not Biblical fact about 1 Cor.10:11? How can this be my opinion? "The thing that has been, it is that which shall be." Ecc.1:9.

sky

[miz3]

Sky 1Corinthians 10:11 is Biblical.

The problem is that your theology that comes after is not what 1Corinthians 10:11 is talking about. You build a whole theory around this text which the text never ever intended to be built.

You are stretching the text beyond what it is actually saying so as to fit your theories of the past/future of the SDA Church .org.

Thus your whole thrust is not Biblical even though you cite this one text.