the seven trumpets

[Dr. Rich]

Sky, did you even try to read Revelation 8? What is it about a third of things being burned up that you don't understand? And a third of the sea becomes blood and a third of fresh water becomming bitter? Huh?

What you presented are ideas from others who had no clue as to the truth because in their mind's eyes, they just KNEW that Jesus could come at any time--after all, the vision EGW had confirmed this as found on page 433 of the Great Controversey! Therefore, they 'invented' false events in an effort to prove their false and mistaken belief was the truth.

Take what she wrote about the two witnesses--did that event happen in the same city as where Jesus was killed? NOPE! Was there an earthquake? NOPE. And how many people died in that earthquake anyway? Come on folks, let's get real so the rest of the world will KNOW that we are no longer foolish 'virgins'.

[ClubV12]

The details of what happens DURING the seven last plagues are of little consequence, but they are interesting. Probation has closed when the plagues start, there will be no "conversions" for anybody. I see the details of the plagues as encouragment to "get ready", to trust in Him. Who bows down to whom at what point during the plagues is just another interesting detail.

[skyblue888]

Regarding the sixth trumpet, Rev.9:13,14 mentions the fact that a third of the river Euphrates was dried up between 1449 and 1840. The name Euphrates is the symbolic name for the people who were supporting the papacy. Rev.17:15 clearly says that the waters upon which the papacy sits represent the multitudes of this earth (Europe at that time) who give their support to the papal power. It is said that during the sixth trumpet a third of that river was dried up. In other words a third of the population of Europe during the sixth trumpet was killed.

Notice how after the close of probation, during the sixth plague, this river of people will be completely dried up. Rev.16:12. Before probation closes the papacy will be supported by all nations but at the time of the fifth plague the people will have their eyes open and they will turn their back on her and the sixth plague is the destruction of Babylon the Great by the very people who minutes before were given her their full support.

sky

[John317]

very much.

[skyblue888]

"You think that those who worship before the saint's feet (Rev.3:9), will at last be saved. Here I must differ with you; for God shew me that this class were professed Adventists, who had fallen away, and 'crucified to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.' And in the 'hour of temptation,' which is yet to come, to show out everyone's true character, they will know that they are forever lost; and ovewhelmed with anguish of spirit, they will bow at the saint's feet." E.G. White A Word To The Little Flock, 12.

This bowing at the feet of the saints in the "hour of temptation" which is to come upon the world takes place at the time of the fifth plague as shown in the book The Great Controversy,635,636,655,656.

sky

[Dr. Rich]

The details of what happens DURING the seven last plagues are of little consequence, but they are interesting. Probation has closed when the plagues start, there will be no "conversions" for anybody. I see the details of the plagues as encouragment to "get ready", to trust in Him. Who bows down to whom at what point during the plagues is just another interesting detail.

Notice these only happen after the second beast of Revelation is released from the abyss--the last 5 new moons of this earth's history? The bride has already been made ready by the works of the 144k and 5 wise virgins and there is no longer any time left for anyone to choose to become righteous. Therefore the "Mark" will only be given to those who have chosen to follow after the second beast. Notice how many do this in Rev. 13: 3, 7, 8 and 14. ALL! Only those who's Kingdom is NOT of the World will be saved. Yes, the true gospel is the on about the Kingdom of Heaven.

[skyblue888]

The seventh trumpet in 1844 announced that the mystery of God was to be finished. (Rev.10:7) But because of unbelief the work was not finished. See The Great Controversy, 457,458. The work was delayed. It has been delayed ever since.

The mystery of God is Christ in you the hope of glory. Col.1:27; Rev.10:7.

This mystery which was to be finished in the days following Jesus entering the most holy place in 1844 is described in the following words:

"The revelation of His own glory in the form of humanity (divinity and humanity combined; see F.W.27) will bring Heaven so near to men that the beauty adorning the inner temple will be seen in every soul in whom the Saviour dwells. Men will be CAPTIVATED bythe glory of an abiding Christ. And in currents of praise and thanksgiving from the many souls THUS won to God, glory will flow back to the great Giver." Christ's Object Lessons,420.`*emphasis & parenthesis supplied

"The divine fullness will flow through the consecrated human agent to be given forth to others... So from every true disciple is to be diffused an influence for life, courage, helpfulness, and true healing." Ibid,419.

When this witness shall have been given into all the world, the end will come and the judgments of God, the seven last plagues, will fall upon those who will have sealed their rejection of God's mercy.

"When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness (spiritual darkness) covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an Intercessor. The restraint which has been upon the wicked is removed, and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent... The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation; the Spirit of God, persistently resisted, has been at last withdrawn. Unsheltered by divine grace, they have no protection from the wicked one. Satan will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old." The Great Controversy,614.

Notice how it says that the angels will cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion.

"Soon God will show that He is indeed the living God. He will say to the angels, ''No longer combat Satan in his efforts to destroy. Let him work out his malignity upon the children of disobedience; for the cup of iniquity is full. They have advanced from one degree of wickedness to another, adding daily to their lawlessness. I will no longer interfere to prevent the destroyer from doing his work.'" RH Vol.4,335.

sky

[skyblue888]

When the cup of iniquity is full, God will show that He is indeed the living God. He will punish the impenitent. How will He do this? He will give the command to His holy angels who were holding the winds of strife to no longer combat Satan in his efforts to destroy. The holy angels cease to hold in check the evil passions of men and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent.

This is a most precious revelation. This commentary helps us better understand the language of the Bible in regard to what God means when He says that He will do this or that especially in the context of the seventh trumpet, the seven last plagues.

sky

[12tribes]

The 7 trumpets along with the 7 churches and 7 seals begins in the holy place and ends in the most holy. Read Rev 8 before the trumpets begin, it is language from the holy place.

[skyblue888]

The seventh trumpet sounded at the time of the opening of the most holy place. It meant that the mystery of God was to be finished (Rev.10:7) which is Christ in His people the hope of glory, (Col.1:27) the hope of forming a Christian character, growing up into Christ until the full corn is in the ear. (Mark 4:26-29) The work could have been finished in a few years and probation would have closed and the seven last plagues would have fallen.

[12tribes]

The seventh trumpet sounded at the time of the opening of the most holy place. It meant that the mystery of God was to be finished (Rev.10:7) which is Christ in His people the hope of glory, (Col.1:27) the hope of forming a Christian character, growing up into Christ until the full corn is in the ear. (Mark 4:26-29) The work could have been finished in a few years and probation would have closed and the seven last plagues would have fallen.

That is true and if the 7th trumpet began to sound in 1844 then the others sounded before 1844.

[skyblue888]

Exactly. The fifth and sixth trumpets are dealt with in the book The Great Controversy,334,335. The fifth between 1299 and 1449 and the sixth between 1449 and August 11 1840.

sky

[Dr. Rich]

The seventh trumpet sounded at the time of the opening of the most holy place. It meant that the mystery of God was to be finished (Rev.10:7) which is Christ in His people the hope of glory, (Col.1:27) the hope of forming a Christian character, growing up into Christ until the full corn is in the ear. (Mark 4:26-29) The work could have been finished in a few years and probation would have closed and the seven last plagues would have fallen.

Sky, it is because of this mistaken idea, that many a good person who would have been a bondservant for Jesus, will be lost, because they still tolorate the teachings of EGW. (Rev. 2:18-26). The warnings Jesus gave TWICE (Rev. 21:8 and 22:15) are to be taken serious--that NO ONE who believes in or practices a lie such as this, will be allowed in heaven. They MUST be totally blameless without any lies in their mouth. (Rev. 14:5)

A few of us (Rev. 3:4) can easily see that there is NO WAY that Jesus could come in the clouds at any time as EGW believed and taught and now many others have been fooled by this same thing. Prophecy does NOT lie, and what has been written down WILL happen as found in Rev. 8:7-12. No matter what anyone says about this already happening--it hasn't! Lets get real!

[12tribes]

Originally Posted By: skyblue888

The seventh trumpet sounded at the time of the opening of the most holy place. It meant that the mystery of God was to be finished (Rev.10:7) which is Christ in His people the hope of glory, (Col.1:27) the hope of forming a Christian character, growing up into Christ until the full corn is in the ear. (Mark 4:26-29) The work could have been finished in a few years and probation would have closed and the seven last plagues would have fallen.

Sky, it is because of this mistaken idea, that many a good person who would have been a bondservant for Jesus, will be lost, because they still tolorate the teachings of EGW. (Rev. 2:18-26). The warnings Jesus gave TWICE (Rev. 21:8 and 22:15) are to be taken serious--that NO ONE who believes in or practices a lie such as this, will be allowed in heaven. They MUST be totally blameless without any lies in their mouth. (Rev. 14:5)

A few of us (Rev. 3:4) can easily see that there is NO WAY that Jesus could come in the clouds at any time as EGW believed and taught and now many others have been fooled by this same thing. Prophecy does NOT lie, and what has been written down WILL happen as found in Rev. 8:7-12. No matter what anyone says about this already happening--it hasn't! Lets get real!

Read the Bible it is in there. 7th trumpet began 1844

[Dr. Rich]

Hey IF you want to believe that mistaken idea, that is your choice. But don't blame anyone other than yourself when the time of trouble starts just he way it states in Revelation and you find your faith blown to bits.

Wow, what a bold fictional story that is about the 7th trumpet blowing in 1844! If so, please point out the 144k. You can't.

[skyblue888]

Dr. Rich, the seventh trumpet sounded in 1844 but obviously there has been a delay. You know that. The delay has continued until this day. If there had not been a delay, the image of the beast would have been formed, the third angel's message would have been proclaimed to all nations in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God. The mission of the Gospel would have been completed and the people of God would have received their final seal to become the 144,000.

sky

[skyblue888]

Seventh Day, no, not only since 1844, but after 1844 it is Christ in you the hope of glory with much added light and power until the full corn of Christ's character is in the ear thus preparing a people to face the investigative judgment of the living and to go through the time of Jacob's trouble and meet Jesus in the air.

sky

[Dr. Rich]

When the cup of iniquity is full, God will show that He is indeed the living God. He will punish the impenitent. How will He do this? He will give the command to His holy angels who were holding the winds of strife to no longer combat Satan in his efforts to destroy. The holy angels cease to hold in check the evil passions of men and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent.

This is a most precious revelation. This commentary helps us better understand the language of the Bible in regard to what God means when He says that He will do this or that especially in the context of the seventh trumpet, the seven last plagues.

sky

Notice that first the bondservants, the 144k have to be sealed by God? Or did you simply ignore this for some reason?

Truth is, the 144k have not yet been sealed so NONE of the events happened that WILL happen during the time of trouble.

Also, where did you get the idea that Satan is being kept from destroying? Huh? That is clearly wrong as it is God that does the destroying. Read it again and again with a clear mind!

[Dr. Rich]

Seventh Day, no, not only since 1844, but after 1844 it is Christ in you the hope of glory with much added light and power until the full corn of Christ's character is in the ear thus preparing a people to face the investigative judgment of the living and to go through the time of Jacob's trouble and meet Jesus in the air.

sky

"Jacab's time of trouble" Huh? Sky, what goes with this? Where did you pick this up from?

"Full corn of Christ's character is in the ear" Huh? this is another one of those crazy things from you Sky, where did you get this from too?

[Dr. Rich]

Dr. Rich, the seventh trumpet sounded in 1844 but obviously there has been a delay. You know that. The delay has continued until this day. If there had not been a delay, the image of the beast would have been formed, the third angel's message would have been proclaimed to all nations in demonstration of the Spirit and power of God. The mission of the Gospel would have been completed and the people of God would have received their final seal to become the 144,000.

sky

That is NOT what is written in the book of Revelation! Please do not use EGW's writings to confuse you anymore.

Read Matt. 25 again--who did the delaying? It was Christ because NO ONE was ready! But this did not happen in 1844, it happened after the Jubalee years--1994! Read what Larry Wilson has to say about that to wake you up.

Also, all three of the Angel's messages are there messages, not yours or the Adventists! They too must first be given before the 7th Trumpet sounds.

But the biggest problem, is that the Kingdoms of this world will HAVE become the Kingdom of God, BEFORE the 7th Trumpet sounds. That has NOT happened and if you believe it has as was the mistaken EGW, then please open your eyes as the NEW WORLD ORDER is just now taking shape--and that is the FIRST beast of REv. 13. Please read the prophecy from Revelation and throw away all of that trash and lies from EGW!

[Gibs]

All of you find a quote of EGW where she says any of the trumpets have happened. I can't remember of any. I would like to read any you can find. Some thought they did way back in history but it don't hold up against the hermeneutic clue we have in Rev 8: that the time is not until Jesus casts coals of fire of the Altar into the earth.

These are the first seven plagues in reality,

Re 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

That verse above follows the sixth trumpet.

The next verse infers that there were first, and now the last.

Re 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Looks like those two verses alone abolish a historic view.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

Can anyone find where any of the 7 plagues affect those sealed by God before the start of the 38th of the 42 new moons (God's months) during the time of trouble?

[skyblue888]

Gibs, a reference has already been provided for the fifth and the sixth trumpets from The Great Controversy,334,335.

sky

[Gibs]

Sky, GC pages 334,335, she does not mention neither 5'th or 6'th trumpet. The far better evidence is the scripture that they can't start until the censer of of firey coals is cast into the earth, then the 1'st trumpet angel begins.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Dr. Rich]

True, and lets not forget that the time of trouble itself can't begin until the 144,000 have been sealed as found in Rev. 7:1-3. Therefore, what 'she' wrote and now thousands mistakenly believe, was a lie. But attempting to show people the truth from Revelation seems like a waste of time because they would rather believe in a prophetess than what Jesus provided in Revelation.