Members phkrause Posted May 13, 2012 Members Posted May 13, 2012 Does this difference in wording really make that much difference in how to interpret WO? That is actually an interesting question. I am going to look at a few texts and do some study on this point you made here. If you have any texts to suggest; can you please post them here? Great points OA. I believe that a sermon by DB, that Woody posted, not sure what thread its in, will give you quite a number of verses. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Woody Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody Okay. You got me. A Point to Doug. Only one point? lol Now Now - It's not good to be greedy on the Sabbath. Side Bar: I just got back from taking a ride in the country. Trouble was - I started coveting some of the homes I saw. I sent up a quick prayer promising that I would not covet on the Sabbath and that I would save my covetting for another day. LOL. I hope He was impressed. So the same with greed. The least you could do is to wait till the Sabbath hours are over for heavens sake. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted May 13, 2012 Administrators Posted May 13, 2012 It is one thing to agitate and to keep agitating for change. That would be healthy, IMHO. It is totally another thing to take a unilateral action that is contrary to what the whole body wants. Is the body of Christ to be divided? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Woody Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 The question here is: Should we do the will of God? Or the will of man? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
doug yowell Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 So whose voice are we to listen to now? What if one or more of the local conferences in the PUC or any other Union vote for one thing and the others against? What if some churches in the local conferences vote for one thing and the others against? CHAOS!!! MADNESS!!! Your question has already been answered by the actions of those who promote WO. Any independent church who refuses to recognize the duly authorized policies of the mother conference/union will suffer consequences of one type or the other. I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Quote
Overaged Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Your question has already been answered by the actions of those who promote WO. Any independent church who refuses to recognize the duly authorized policies of the mother conference/union will suffer consequences of one type or the other. I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Wow, thats amazing. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Moderators lazarus Posted May 13, 2012 Moderators Posted May 13, 2012 Quote: I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Stan Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 That is very small of the group. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
Woody Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Quote: I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! That's exactly what the GYC movement has done. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted May 13, 2012 Moderators Posted May 13, 2012 The question here is: Should we do the will of God? Or the will of man? Well, Father Woody, would you kindly tell us which is the will of God and which is the will of man on this issue? Quote
Moderators Gerr Posted May 13, 2012 Moderators Posted May 13, 2012 Quote: I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! Precisely!!! Seems like liberals aren't too liberal after all when their point of view is opposed! Quote
Woody Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody The question here is: Should we do the will of God? Or the will of man? Well, Father Woody, would you kindly tell us which is the will of God and which is the will of man on this issue? But why stop there? Why not have me tell you God's will on ALL issues. You raise a great point here Gerry. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted May 13, 2012 Author Posted May 13, 2012 Quote: Seems like liberals aren't too liberal after all when their point of view is opposed! That is not a liberal behavior. Only Cons do that. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Overaged Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! Well; on a lighter note, thanks for the web site referral. I guess I was a little surprised that you shared that particular link because it has many sources opposed to WO, and that says a lot about where you are coming from - looks like a good place to me. lol. And I say that not being in full agreement, one way or the other yet. I am enjoying the research and learning some things I didn't even know. I forgot. ALL church members are human beings. lol Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Moderators lazarus Posted May 14, 2012 Moderators Posted May 14, 2012 Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! Quote: That's exactly what the GYC movement has done. Yup, my comment was tongue in cheek. It's already happening. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators Gerr Posted May 14, 2012 Moderators Posted May 14, 2012 The end is near. All that these side issues are doing is to distract the Church/people from the work that needs to be done. Quote
Administrators Naomi Posted May 14, 2012 Administrators Posted May 14, 2012 Yes Gerry, I couldn't agree more. Bet the Old Devil loves all of this ..... So much energy being spent while millions are in need of hearing the gospel. Could our energies be better spent in our neighborhoods, churches: At home and afar? One does not have to be male or female, ordained or not, to serve our Lord and fellow men and women Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Overaged Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Yes Gerry, I couldn't agree more. Bet the Old Devil loves all of this ..... So much energy being spent while millions are in need of hearing the gospel. Could our energies be better spent in our neighborhoods, churches: At home and afar? One does not have to be male or female, ordained or not, to serve our Lord and fellow men and women Thats for sure Naomi! I thought I was going to fix someone's leaky tap a while ago - ended up praying with them and reading Bible passages to them...ah life in the day of a handyman...If only men & women would forget all this gender-dividing theology and just get to work for the Master anyway. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Administrators Naomi Posted May 14, 2012 Administrators Posted May 14, 2012 Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Members phkrause Posted May 14, 2012 Members Posted May 14, 2012 I agree OA and Naomi. To much infighting over trivial matters. Arguing never accomplishes anything. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators Gerr Posted May 15, 2012 Moderators Posted May 15, 2012 It was the leaders in Israel that got them down the wrong road over & over again. Is this deja vu all over again? Quote
doug yowell Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 Quote: I go to a SS of the LLU church which has a list of speakers that cannot be invited because they openly oppose WO. Dissidents will not be tolerated.It is the nature of the source. Before we know it we'll be having conservative churches not inviting certain speakers because they are too liberal! Changing the focus from specific WO to general liberal/conservative? SDA's don't invite speakers from the Bible Research Institute either.Can you give an apple to apple example? Are you ok with the LLU policy? Should that ok go both ways? Quote
Administrators Naomi Posted May 15, 2012 Administrators Posted May 15, 2012 It was the leaders in Israel that got them down the wrong road over & over again. Is this deja vu all over again? Good question Gerry ... Please God, let it not be so ...... Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Administrators Naomi Posted May 15, 2012 Administrators Posted May 15, 2012 Quote: Changing the focus from specific WO to general liberal/conservative? SDA's don't invite speakers from the Bible Research Institute either.Can you give an apple to apple example? Are you ok with the LLU policy? Should that ok go both ways? Good points Doug Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Moderators lazarus Posted May 15, 2012 Moderators Posted May 15, 2012 Are you ok with the LLU policy? Should that ok go both ways? I have not agreed to have particular SDA speakers in my pulpit because the don't share the views or approach of our church. I didn't invite a particular speaker because he was against drums and contemporary music. I watched one of his presentations online and thought is was weak Biblically. Why would would I invite someone to speak about how evil drums are in a church with contemporary worship? If a speaker routinely uses more EGW than Bible I won't invite them unless the topic is about EGW specifically or church history. If the person is going to tear folks down about jewelry, women wearing pants etc. I won't invite them. The lead pastor is entitled to invite or not invite whoever he wants within certain parameters. Conservative or liberal. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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