Moderators lazarus Posted May 17, 2012 Moderators Posted May 17, 2012 Columbia Union is to have a special constituency session to vote on the women's ordination issue. Perhaps not revival but certainly reformation! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Columbia Union is to have a special constituency session to vote on the women's ordination issue. Perhaps not revival but certainly reformation! Praise God for our leadership. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted May 17, 2012 Author Moderators Posted May 17, 2012 Official statement Columbia Union Executive Committee Calls Special Constituency Meeting toAuthorize Ordinations Without Regard to Gender At its May 17 meeting, the Columbia Union Conference Executive Committee received a report from an ad hoc committee assigned to study how to affirm women in ministry. After discussing the report (included below), the committee voted: 1. To recognize its responsibility to act morally and ethically by expressing unyielding commitment to ordain qualified persons to the gospel ministry without regard to gender, and 2. To call a special constituency meeting for the purpose of authorizing ordination to the gospel ministry without regard to gender, and 3. To set the meeting date for July 29, 2012, at 10 a.m., at a location to be determined in Maryland. The committee approved the motion by a vote of 34-6, with one abstention. “I believe this action represents our committeeʼs desire to move the mission forward, and we are calling this special session to facilitate a wider conversation,” said Dave Weigley, union president, explaining the need for input from the larger constituency. To help members understand the committeeʼs perspective, leaders will publish a special July issue of the union paper, the Visitor. It will provide an in-depth review of biblical, historical and Spirit of Prophecy guidelines concerning the role of women in ministry. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Cool. And a large percentage of the vote was behind it. Way Cool. The Holy Spirit is moving His peoples. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Gerr Posted May 18, 2012 Moderators Posted May 18, 2012 Was the Holy Spirit moving people when the GC in session voted against against WO? Quote
Woody Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Was the Holy Spirit moving people when the GC in session voted against against WO? Yes, I believe so. I don't believe that WO should be forced on the world wide scene when in some cultures it would not be appropriate. God's wisdom prevailed. Each Union/Region should be able to make intelligent decisions regarding what is best for their region. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Administrators Naomi Posted May 18, 2012 Administrators Posted May 18, 2012 Cool.And a large percentage of the vote was behind it. Way Cool. The Holy Spirit is moving His peoples. Well enjoy doing your happy dance Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Administrators Naomi Posted May 18, 2012 Administrators Posted May 18, 2012 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo Was the Holy Spirit moving people when the GC in session voted against against WO? Yes, I believe so. I don't believe that WO should be forced on the world wide scene when in some cultures it would not be appropriate. God's wisdom prevailed. Each Union/Region should be able to make intelligent decisions regarding what is best for their region. If all Unions/Regions make their own (intelligent???) decisions then would we not soon be divided into many seperate units. One would celebrate with wine, one would say marriage is a form of government control, so let's just whoever takes a woman in the bibical way is married; Another could say it is ok to kill their neighbors if they stole their goat or dog, etc. Where would this division end? Should we select different names for each of these groups? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Woody Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Well - many an extreme can be listed. But to have to go to the GC to approve each pastor for ordaination seems way extreme. ANd it has never been the case in the history of the church. Why do you think Ellen White had ordaination papers with each place she pastored to? I have faith that God has set up His church wisely. And it appears to me to be a good system that is working. God is Good and Faithful to His children. I know of no prohibition in scripture that prohibits women from being ordained. So, it's the anti-WO who are the rebels. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Overaged Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Official statement “I believe this action represents our committees desire to move the mission forward, What on earth do they mean by "move the mission forward?" That doesn't make sense, since it is already moving forward and will continue to move forward, even without WO; which is not specifically condoned in the Bible. I also think that starting multiple topics on this issue is somewhat spammish... Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Members phkrause Posted May 18, 2012 Members Posted May 18, 2012 OA I get the feeling that what he means is that even though they voted for it, it still needs to go to the next level? I'm only guessing. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators lazarus Posted May 18, 2012 Author Moderators Posted May 18, 2012 What on earth do they mean by "move the mission forward?" That doesn't make sense, since it is already moving forward and will continue to move forward, even without WO; which is not specifically condoned in the Bible. The mission is to go preach, teach, baptize. Recognizing that these women pastors are called to the work women are already doing i'm sure is part of the mission. Perhaps not huge but it is part of the mission. I tend steer clear of those things that are condemned in the Bible. If God didn't explicitly condemn it then its all go! If God had strong feelings he would have made it clear. Do you think? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Administrators Naomi Posted May 18, 2012 Administrators Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: If God didn't explicitly condemn it then its all go! hummmmm ........ Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
nuff sed Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 If the 'G.C.' actions in session are supposed to be interpreted as being ' final approval by God' I am anxious to see how Brother Wilson will address what seems to be the stampede for Ordination of Women which in effect is a revolt against the authority of the higher organization. nuff sed Quote
doug yowell Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Columbia Union is to have a special constituency session to vote on the women's ordination issue. Perhaps not revival but certainly reformation! Reformation is always the result of revival otherwise you just have further proof that the dead are,certainly,dead,or the dying are,certainly,dying. Quote
doug yowell Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 If the 'G.C.' actions in session are supposed to be interpreted as being ' final approval by God' I am anxious to see how Brother Wilson will address what seems to be the stampede for Ordination of Women which in effect is a revolt against the authority of the higher organization. nuff sed Better yet, how the world church will respond?? Of course,WO activists openly claim that the Holy Spirit is driving them to act apart from the rest of the body,or as laz puts it, reformation is upon us. Quote
Moderators lazarus Posted May 19, 2012 Author Moderators Posted May 19, 2012 If the 'G.C.' actions in session are supposed to be interpreted as being ' final approval by God' I am anxious to see how Brother Wilson will address what seems to be the stampede for Ordination of Women which in effect is a revolt against the authority of the higher organization. nuff sed I'm anxious to see what will happen too. I would also agree that this is a revolt against the authority of the GC. And of course GC sits in Columbia Union Territory which is another twist. The constituency session will be an interesting affair. Columbia Union covers quite a broad cross section of Adventist thinking. There are very conservative areas and very liberal areas of the Union. I think the vote will be close. I'll be there. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators lazarus Posted May 19, 2012 Author Moderators Posted May 19, 2012 So, if we refuse to ordain women,what happens to the mission?And where in our mission instructions do we have the mandate for women to be the spiritual leaders of their homes? We already ordain women! We call it commissioning! Women are already an integral part of the spiritual leadership of the church. A good friend of mine has been a pastor at her church for the last 10 years. She is already Ordained Commissioned. This is not big deal to her. It shall come to pass. There are greater issues to wrestle with in the church than WO. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators lazarus Posted May 19, 2012 Author Moderators Posted May 19, 2012 Will a divided SDA church launch ahead full tilt now that NAD has decided God's will for Adventism? Adventism world-wide has done well despite its divisions past and present. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Overaged Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 If God didn't explicitly condemn it then its all go! If God had strong feelings he would have made it clear. Do you think? No; sorry, I don't think that at all. It's not all go unless God specifically says so. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Administrators Naomi Posted May 19, 2012 Administrators Posted May 19, 2012 Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
Overaged Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Better yet, how the world church will respond?? Of course,WO activists openly claim that the Holy Spirit is driving them to act apart from the rest of the body,or as laz puts it, reformation is upon us. Rogue Conferences that want to make their own rules do not stand for truth, Bible or otherwise. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ
Administrators Naomi Posted May 19, 2012 Administrators Posted May 19, 2012 Originally Posted By: doug yowell Will a divided SDA church launch ahead full tilt now that NAD has decided God's will for Adventism? Adventism world-wide has done well despite its divisions past and present. Has it done well despite it's divisions or inspite of the attempts at division?? Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God
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