Atonement - when?

[Gerr]

The Plan of Salvation was/is a Covenant of Grace, a mystery that was hidden in the mind of God throughout the ages, Eph 3:7-13. This plan requires/d a Priest/King. Therefore, the priesthood of Christ is as old as the everlasting covenant itself, hence the psalmist's declaration - "you are a priest FOREVER, after the order of Melchizedek."

Again, I ask, how did Enoch, Moses, & Elijah enter heaven without atonement if that began after 31 A.D.?

[skyblue888]

Gerry what exactly are you trying to prove? Do you believe that the Advent Movement rose at the very time prophesied, at the end of the 2,300 day prophecy or not? Do you not believe that Jesus then passed from the holy to the most holy to begin the final phase of the atonement?

[Gerr]

My point is that atonement has been going on since sin raised its ugly head on this planet. Enoch received atonement on the basis of the "Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world," by a Priest who was after the order of Melchizedek. While the actual crucifixion of Christ took place in 31 AD, I believe that in the mind of the God "who is, and who was, and who is to come," the "I AM", that was as good as an accomplished fact when Abel offered his lamb. Did God wait until 31 A.D. or 1844 to reconcile Enoch who had already been enjoying the bliss of heaven for thousands of years?

[JoeMo]

Gerry,

Double AMEN!

The atonement was in place before the creation of the world. (Rev. 13:8)

[Gibs]

Gerry,

Explain if you will why the atonement would need to be completed before God at His disgresion could take any He found to be fully overcomers for eternity anytime He saw fit too.

I can for one thing for sure tell you, you don't need to worry that He took sin into Heaven to have it raise up again.

Yahweh is running a perfect way of erradicating sin once and for all time, eternity.

Any forgiven sin these men have that needs atoning for it will be done when their case comes up to our High Priest who is now officiating the office.

He, Jesus was the only sacrifice that would suffice and that sacrifice had to be done before the atonement can be done. He presents, "My Blood" "My Blood".

Question Him? No! We have no room to even wonder of His Righteousness.

Na 1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Overaged]

My point is that atonement has been going on since sin raised its ugly head on this planet. Enoch received atonement on the basis of the "Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world," by a Priest who was after the order of Melchizedek. While the actual crucifixion of Christ took place in 31 AD, I believe that in the mind of the God "who is, and who was, and who is to come," the "I AM", that was as good as an accomplished fact when Abel offered his lamb. Did God wait until 31 A.D. or 1844 to reconcile Enoch who had already been enjoying the bliss of heaven for thousands of years?

The very test that was brought upon Adam in Eden will be applied to every member of the human family. We stand as Adam did, with opportunity for a second trial, to prove our allegiance to the Government of God. If we listen, as Adam did, to the first adversary of God's law, we shall be led to treat the words of God as of little consequence, and transgress the commandment. "The wages of sin is death." The Father loves us, and his love led him to suffer his beloved Son to make an atonement for us, that we might not perish but have everlasting life. To as many as received this precious Jesus, "to them gave he power to become the sons of God." John exclaims: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." It is no cheap faith, that costs nothing and requires nothing, that we are to have. But John continues: "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as He is pure." {ST, November 24, 1887 par. 12}

[Samie]

Gerry,

Double AMEN!

The atonement was in place before the creation of the world. (Rev. 13:8)

[Samie]

Gerry,

Explain if you will why the atonement would need to be completed before God at His disgresion could take any He found to be fully overcomers for eternity anytime He saw fit too.

I can for one thing for sure tell you, you don't need to worry that He took sin into Heaven to have it raise up again.

...

Gibs,

Atonement is cleansing from sin through the blood of the sin offering, the Bible explicitly tells us. How could you not believe atonement was completed when the blood of the supreme sacrifice for sin, the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, had already shed His precious blood on the cross?

Sorry, but was it just because you were taught that Christ still need to present the merits of His blood to the Father? Does the Omnipotent Father don't know? Was it not He Who sent His Son to atone for the sins of the world? And after all that transpired on Calvary, the Father still need to hear His Son pleading the case of men in the courts of heaven?

And this is insisted and paraded as truth despite the UTTER ABSENCE in Scriptures of this requirement, and branding those who take the cudgels to warn them of their error, as exerting too much effort to sway them away from the Advent Movement.

[skyblue888]

If what you are saying is true, then why has not the controversy ended 2,000 years ago?

sky

[Samie]

If what you are saying is true, then why has not the controversy ended 2,000 years ago?

sky

The controversy against sin has ended, sky; the problem of sin had been ABSOLUTELY solved on the cross, that is why the Bible tells us sin cannot have dominion over us anymore (Rom 6:14).

Each time we commit sin now, we don't go back to square one as in we are again spiritually dead, because the sin committed is no longer imputed against us (2 Cor 5:18, 19) since it had already been forgiven on the cross (Col 2:13) and therefore we remain clean, as if we have not sinned. In fact God assured us that under the New Covenant He will remember our sins NO MORE (Heb 10:16,17). This is the continual justification that Christ does for us, reason why Scriptures say Christ was resurrected for our justification (Rom 4:25). We then continue to live and fight the good fight of faith to overcome evil with good (Rom 12:21), UNBURDENED with sin, as God continues to work IN us through the Holy Spirit both to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil 2:12).

If at the end of life's journey a person is found to be a non-overcomer he has no one else to blame but himself for it is not a question of INABILITY but rather one of REFUSAL to overcome. And his name will be blotted out from the book of life (Rev 3:5).

[Robert]

...the problem of sin had been ABSOLUTELY solved on the cross, that is why the Bible tells us sin cannot have dominion over us anymore (Rom 6:14).

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Here's the problem - you, Samie, are a sinner. You are sinner by your past performance and you are a sinner even now! IF you say, "No, I'm not" then John states that you are deceived:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves...." 1 John 1:8

You were delivered from under the law through Christ Jesus. The law has no authority over you, if it does you must die the 2nd death.

So please don't play this I'm not a sinner and I'm keeping God's law. You might fool me, but you can't fool God:

Matt 19:17 "There is none good but one, that is, God"

Rom 3:10 As it is written , There is none righteous, no, not one

How many righteous? Not even one.

So stop the game....You want make it under law.

[Samie]

Originally Posted By: Samie

...the problem of sin had been ABSOLUTELY solved on the cross, that is why the Bible tells us sin cannot have dominion over us anymore (Rom 6:14).

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Here's the problem - you, Samie, are a sinner. You are sinner by your past performance and you are a sinner even now! IF you say, "No, I'm not" then John states that you are deceived:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves...." 1 John 1:8

You were delivered from under the law through Christ Jesus. The law has no authority over you, if it does you must die the 2nd death.

So please don't play this I'm not a sinner and I'm keeping God's law. You might fool me, but you can't fool God:

Matt 19:17 "There is none good but one, that is, God"

Rom 3:10 As it is written , There is none righteous, no, not one

How many righteous? Not even one.

So stop the game....You want make it under law.

The one who is deceived is the one who cannot believe what God says that in the New Covenant He will remember sins NO MORE (Heb 10:16, 17).

Go on deceiving yourself, Rob. Don't stop your game.

[Robert]

Samie, again, you are a sinner. You need grace because you aren't making under law. So stop it with the perfection talk...no one is doing it.

[olger]

"I once was lost, but now I'm found."

[Naomi]

"I once was lost, but now I'm found."

Amen!

[Gerr]

"I once was lost, but now I'm found."

And forgiven, reconciled, and AT-ONE with the Father!

[olger]

a-MEN brother!

[Gibs]

We are in the "day" of atonement and it is just about over now. Not many years left now and the last case is done.

Re 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Re 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Re 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

Gibs,

You asked Gerry to explain why the atonement would need to be completed before God at His disgresion could take any He found to be fully overcomers for eternity anytime He saw fit too.

God could have taken to heaven anyone He wanted to take there at any time. I believe Jesus took some people to heaven with Him when He ascended (those who rose at the time of His resurrection). If not, who are the 24 elders referred to in Revelation? Sin does not end at the 2nd Coming, either. Read Revelation 20. If you follow the sequence of events, Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years; and gathers the nations for war against God (vs 7-9). The unrighteous dead are not yet raised. Who are the "nations" who wage war against God? After God rains fire down on the nations, THEN we see Satan cast into the lake of fire (vs 10). THEN we see the dead before the judgement throne (vs. 12-13). THEN we see death, the grave, and the unrighteous thrown into the lake of fire (vs. 14-15).

It is not for us to question why God does what He does - His wisdom if far beyond ours. We simply take His word by faith and go with it.

In my experience with big purchases (cars, houses, etc.), it's almost always been a while between the time that I have paid the price and the time I actually receive what I purchased. It might be the same with Christ. He purchased His Kingdom (us) before He received it. I don't know why, but that appears to be what His word says; so I accept it. My atonement was purchased before Jesus took possession of what He purchased. God said it and I believe it without question.

[Robert]

Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. (NAS)

[Windsor]

The atonement was assured before creation, however at-one-ment with God is not fully complete while I walk around in this corruptible body and still see things dimly as through a glass.

[Gibs]

A word from EGW on the "day of atonement",

" We Are in the Day of Atonement

We are in the great day of atonement, when our sins are, by confession and repentance, to go beforehand to judgment. God does not now accept a tame, spiritless testimony from His ministers. Such a testimony would not be present truth. The message for this time must be meat in due season to feed the church of God. But Satan has been seeking gradually to rob this message of its power, that the people may not be prepared to stand in the day of the Lord. {1SM 124.3}

In 1844 our great High Priest entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to begin the work of the investigative judgment. The cases of the righteous dead have been passing in review before God. When that work shall be completed, judgment is to be pronounced upon the living. How precious, how important are these solemn moments! Each of us has a case pending in the court of heaven. We are individually to be judged according to the deeds done in the body. In the typical service, when the work of atonement was performed by the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary, the people were required to afflict their souls before God, and confess their sins, that they might be atoned for and blotted out. Will any less be required of us in this antitypical day of atonement, when Christ in the sanctuary above is pleading in behalf of His people, and the final, irrevocable decision is to be pronounced upon every case? {1SM 125.1}

What is our condition in this fearful and solemn time? Alas, what pride is prevailing in the church, what hypocrisy, what deception, what love of dress, frivolity, and amusement, what desire for the supremacy! All these sins have clouded the mind, so that eternal things have not been discerned. Shall we not search the Scriptures, that we may know where we are in this world's history? Shall we not become intelligent in regard to the work that is being accomplished for us at this time, and the position that we as sinners should occupy while this work of atonement is going forward? If we have any regard for our souls' salvation, we must make a decided change. We must seek the Lord with true penitence; we must with deep contrition of soul confess our sins, that they may be blotted out." {1SM 125.2}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gerr]

Gerry,

Explain if you will why the atonement would need to be completed before God at His disgresion could take any He found to be fully overcomers for eternity anytime He saw fit too.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Could you please explain?

[JoeMo]

In his book "Kingdom of the Cults", Walter Martin defined one of the characteristics of a cult as a religion where people consider the words of men (or women) to be on par with or above the words of scripture. That's one of the factors he used in determining that Mormons and JW's were a cult. I think some of us need to be careful of how frequently we quote the words of men (or women) compared to how often we quote the words of Scripture, lest some of the non-SDA's on this site think SDA's are a cult. SDA's claim to be people of the Bible; so let's use the words of the Bible.

The Bible says Jesus entered the Most Holy Place at His resurrection. Someone who says He entered it in 1844 won't change that. The Bible says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world; and that we were fully reconciled (atoned for - past tense) at the crucifixion. No one else's words can change that. The Bible says that Jesus uttered to words "it is finished" right before He died. Just because someone else says it isn't finished yet doesn't change that. Let's stick with the Word of God rather than the words of men (or women) to back up our points.

[Windsor]

In his book "Kingdom of the Cults", Walter Martin defined one of the characteristics of a cult as a religion where people consider the words of men (or women) to be on par with or above the words of scripture. That's one of the factors he used in determining that Mormons and JW's were a cult. I think some of us need to be careful of how frequently we quote the words of men (or women) compared to how often we quote the words of Scripture, lest some of the non-SDA's on this site think SDA's are a cult. SDA's claim to be people of the Bible; so let's use the words of the Bible.

The Bible says Jesus entered the Most Holy Place at His resurrection. Someone who says He entered it in 1844 won't change that. The Bible says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world; and that we were fully reconciled (atoned for - past tense) at the crucifixion. No one else's words can change that. The Bible says that Jesus uttered to words "it is finished" right before He died. Just because someone else says it isn't finished yet doesn't change that. Let's stick with the Word of God rather than the words of men (or women) to back up our points.

If it it's already finished, God has a lot of explaining to do for the last 2000 years of human misery.

Secondly, it absolutely does NOT say that Jesus entered the Most Holy Place in AD 31. Here is an interesting explanation you can read that I pulled from bibleministry.org.

WHERE DID JESUS GO (IN HEAVEN) IN A.D. 31?

According to many Bible Scholars, the evangelical world, Walter Martin, Desmond Ford and many Seventh Day Adventists, Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place in Heaven in AD 31. This position of course, contradicts the historical official position of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

Did Jesus really entered the Most Holy place in Heaven in AD 31 or in 1844 as Seventh Day Adventists propose?

According to Walter Martin, "If Jesus at the resurrection went into the second apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in heaven itself, with his own blood and obtained eternal redemption for us, then there is no 1844 investigative judgment. It is a myth....Then there isn't any investigative judgment. Nobody has been looking over the books in heaven since 1844, because Jesus entered at the time of His resurrection into heaven itself with His own blood. It's all over. He obtained eternal redemption for us. You don't need this forced holiness in which you spend your life keeping track of all the commandments that you're supposed to keep in order for you to eventually to come out on the right side"--Walter Martin, March 15, 1989 lecture in Fresno, California.

Let's analyze this answer: While there is absolutely no question that we are saved by faith, there is also no question that we must obey the faith, (Rom 16:26) with and in God's power. I see no "forced holiness" in doing what Jesus said: "If your love me, keep my commandments...He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me..." John 14: 15, 21.

Walter Martin stated that "If Jesus at the resurrection [A.D. 31] went into the second apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in heaven itself, with his own blood and obtained eternal redemption for us, then there is no 1844 investigative judgment. It is a myth."

If we follow Mr. Martin's assumption, then the opposite assumption should also hold true. That is: If Jesus at the resurrection [AD 31], did not entered the second apartment [because He entered the first apartment] of the heavenly sanctuary in heaven itself, with his own blood and obtained eternal redemption for us, then there is an 1844 Investigative Judgment. It is not a myth.

I do not believe however, that the question regarding where Jesus entered in AD 31, can be answered by either assumption alone. It is just not as sample as that. There is much more we need to investigate and research in the Bible to find out what is God's truth. The Bible alone must interpret itself. The Bible alone must give the true and proper answer.

Before we start our Bible study, let us read on how Walter Martin described the Evangelical Conferences of the mid- 1950's and the Seventh Day Adventist Church, (Walter Martin and the Seventh Day Adventist Church) at his March 15, 1989, Fresno, California, lecture (Published in the Study of Hebrews nine by Vance Ferrel of Pilgrims Rest - Beer-sheba Spgs, TN 37305):

"Now, I'll never forget when we were in Washington {D.C.} at the Seventh Day Adventist Seminary {General Conference building, not the Seminary which was next door} negotiating these various doctrines and going through them in 1956 (spring 1955 to spring 1956). I said:

Why don't you get a couple of Greek scholars from the Seminary bring them over here." and I said, "Dr. Canon {an Evangelical college teacher he brought with him} is a Greek scholar and I read the text of the Greek." I said, "Let us take a look at whether or not Hiram Edson and Ellen White and early Adventists were right, or if in fact the very foundation of the denomination was based upon theological error."

They said, "Fine." They sent for Dr. {William} Murdoch and for Dr. Theodore Heppenstall, both of whom were excellent Greek scholars. I'll never forget Dr. Canon sitting at this large table with all these Adventists around us, and Dr. Canon saying, "I wonder if we turn in our Bibles-I'd like you to do that right now,-to the Epistle to the Hebrews." And they said, "Fine." And they turned to Hebrews, chapter 9. When they got to Hebrews, chapter 9, we all had our Greek New Testaments out. And Dr. Canon said, "I would like to exegete for me Hebrews 9 versus 11 and 12. We won't look at any theology books, yours or ours... Just the text, and you tell me what the text says."

Dr. Murdock looked at the text, Dr. Heppenstall looked at the text, and Dr. Canon read:

"But Christ, having become a High Priest of good things which are to come by a greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is to say not of this building, not earthly, neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, He entered in once into the Holy Place having obtained eternal redemption for us."

Canon went through it in Greek {verbally translated it to them}, and I turned to Dr. Roy Allan Anderson, head of all Seventh-day Adventist ministers and missionaries, and I said, "All right this passage contradicts Ellen White, Hiram Edson, and all the foundations of Adventism. If Jesus at the resurrection went into the second apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in heaven itself, with his own blood and obtained eternal redemption for us, then there is no 1844 investigative judgment. It is a myth.

Anderson looked down at the text and he turned to Ted Heppenstall and said these words, "Does the Greek text say that, Ted?" And Ted Heppenstall looked up from his Greek New Testament and said, "Yes." Dr. Murdoch said, "It does."

Does the Greek text really say that? Let us use several Bible versions, and let us look at the original Greek using several Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bibles, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Strong's Bible Concordance:

HEBREWS NINE

Let us you and I examine Hebrews 9, verses 11 and 12 in the New International Version (NIV): {9:11} "When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation."

{9:12} "He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption." This particular translation states that He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood. Obviously this is AD 31.

But, let us now look at the King James Version:

{9:11} "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;"

{9:12} "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

According to this version, in this particular verse, he entered the Holy Place not the Most Holy Place as stated in the New International Version. Again, this is AD 31, but not the same place. Which is right the NIV or the KJV? This gets even more confusing when we compare the NIV and the KJV in the following verses:

NIV {9:24} "For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence." {9:25} "Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own."

KJV {9:24} "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:" {9:25} "Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;"

The NIV in verse 24 uses the word "sanctuary" and the KJV uses the word holy places. In verse 25, the NIV uses the words "Most Holy Place" and the KJV uses the words "holy place". As we can see these two Bible versions do not agree with each other. However, in Hebrews 9:8, they do:

NIV {9:8} "The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing."

KJV {9:8} "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing". In this case "The Holiest of all" and the "Most Holy Place" are the same thing. But is the "Holy Place" and the "Most Holy" place, also the same thing? or the same place? Let us ask the question again, which is right? The NIV or the KJV?

What if we use another version. Let us try the New American Standard Heb-Greek Key Study Bible 1977 in Hebrews 9: 24, 25 and 8:

NASB {9:24} "For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;" {9:25} "nor was it that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood not his own." {9:8} "The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed, while the outer tabernacle is still standing."

According to the NASB (New-American Standard) Hebrew-Greek Study Bible, Jesus entered the holy place, not the Most Holy Place in AD 31! Once more, let us ask the question: Which Bible version is right? The NIV, the KJV or NASB?

To determine which is right, we need to determine the meaning of the Greek words in the Bible manuscripts for the words: "sanctuary", "holy place" and the "most holy place". We find the words "hagion", "hagia" and "hagia-hagion", are used in the original language in which the book of Hebrews was written.

We will start our investigation of the meaning of these three words by looking Abingdon"s Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. Let's see how it defines the word hagion:

39. hagion {hag'-ee-on} neuter of 40; a sacred thing (i.e. spot):---holiest (of all), holy place, sanctuary.

According to the above definition (s), the word can mean 'holiest', 'holy place' or 'sanctuary'. This is where the problem begins. This is the reason why many Bibles, (particularly modern translations) use one of the three terms to define 'hagia' or 'hagion' or 'hagia hagion' as the same thing. The author of the Book of Hebrews however, was very consistent in its use. In fact, the author (of Hebrews) defines its use in the first three verses of Hebrews chapter 9. He used 'hagion' to mean the entire two apartment sanctuary {9:1}, he used 'hagia' to define 'holy place' {9:2} and he used 'hagia hagion' to define the 'holiest' or "Most Holy Place' {9:3}. He was consistent. When he meant to use 'hagia' he used 'hagia'. When he meant to use 'hagia hagion', he used 'hagia hagion', etc.

The author of Hebrews used 'hagia' in the following chapters and verses: 8:2; 9:2, 8, 12, 24, 25; 10:19; 13:11, which means Holy Place. He did not use 'hagia hagion' (Most Holy).

Let us see another definition of the same word under the number:

(hagia, hagion): The interior (either the outer or the inner of the two rooms) of the sanctuary of the Jerusalem Temple or of the earlier tabernacle or of a corresponding 'spiritual holy place,' perhaps regarded as being in heaven - 'the holy place'...'a tent was constructed, the outer one...which was called the Holy Place' He 9:2; 'he entered once and for all into the Holy Place' He 9:12. The inner room was more specifically identified by the phrase [hagia hagion] literally 'holy of holies He 9:3, a Hebrew idiom indicating superlative degree" The Louw & Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains-Second Edition. United Bible Societies, New York, 1989 Volume 1 - Under the number 7.35.

So we can see accordingly, that Jesus entered the Holy Place in AD 31, not the Most Holy (Holy of Holies). Personally I have studied quite a few other different Bible versions in the Spanish and English languages, compared text by text, using several standard Hebrew-Greek Study Bibles and Bible concordances