Can liberal Christianity be saved??

[JoeMo]

Gibs,

Would you care to answer the questions from my previous post? Do you even read the posts from other people before you re-post stuff you recently posted?

[Gibs]

JoeMoe,

I know there is some I miss. I'm not sure at this point what you want a comeback on. If it is a "picky" question I don't respond and why should I. I'm not here to pick on anyone but to try and awaken to the falling away that is so hard set in believers today. Some want me to sing their song and I might agree but I have a song to sing that I must present.

I can see it is not liberal enough for you but I am not a liberal and for the best reason in the world. I find most don't even consider or read my posts, but many read these forums so I teach the truth of salvation the most important of all issues.

If we would have of His Great love in us then we would have no problem of being overcomers as it would then be our fondest desire to please Him in the fullest.

Men are not pleasing Him when they won't allow His indwelling and be solid overcomers. He in you all things are possible to you, yes even overcoming your sinnings.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

For all SDA's here is a good quote from EGW about our task of living aright in this fallen old world,

" Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel." {FLB 114.2}

We must show in the here and now we can be trusted to never be a rebel in Heaven. We can be enabled to live a life of obedience.

This is also Biblical for all who are Bible only. Paul made it very clear and so does John. Read my favorite verse below,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[JoeMo]

Gigs,

Christ did not only come to earth to be our Example. He came here to be our Savior and our Substitute.

Yes, liberals can be saved. So can legalists, moderates, and unbelievers who have never had a chance to make an intelligent decision to accept Christ.

Blessings to you,

JoeMo

[skyblue888]

Gibs, what do you think these words mean? "We have been at work on the law until we get as dry as the hills of Gilboah, without dew or rain." EGW

Can we talk about overcoming until we become as dry as the hills of Gilboa?

sky

[Gibs]

Sky,

The answer is an absolute no! Why? Because what is the most important crop we can reap from this life? Our Salvation! Without knowing how it can be that we obtain the power of Christ over the world, sin, all evil and Satan we of ourselves are nothing as our power is a teaspoon full out of the ocean.

Christ does not come in and dwell in us without our surrender of all that we are fully fallen on Him and broken, fully dead of our old pridefull will and all. We have been our own before and now we are His, He is our Master and He does come in as we now have made it that He may be our leader and power. His Spirit is in us for to see the truth and cast off the errors coming in from all angles.

When a man falls fully broken on Jesus Christ, immediately a change is made in his heart and mind and then actions. His life is a new life lived to please his new Master Jesus Christ and no longer is his own. He is dead to the old and alive in the new in Jesus Christ and Jesus in Him.

This is his song and meditation all the day long, day in and day out to live in and for Jesus Christ. Then partaking of Him and His Word each day that he stays on fire and alive in Christ Jesus.

He breaths eats and sleeps being an overcomer and Christ the Great Shepherd keeps him in green pastures and still fresh water to drink. His Great Shepherd is his strength and stay ( spiritual quickening ) and also that impervious covering from all predators.

Being an overcomer has to be the theme of my life and I hope for all who have read this testimony.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

Gigs,

Christ did not only come to earth to be our Example. He came here to be our Savior and our Substitute.

Yes, liberals can be saved. So can legalists, moderates, and unbelievers who have never had a chance to make an intelligent decision to accept Christ.

Blessings to you,

JoeMo

JM, on your second sentence I must disagree with you heartily. You are attempting to make that narrow way so wide practically the whole world will be in the kingdom and then it would soon be the same as we are living in now.

No legalists are off the narrow way in one ditch and liberals are off that narrow way in the other one. The moderates do not take Him serious and don't really enter in. Now unbelievers who have not heard the true message Jesus only can be the judge as He knoweth if they have a True Heart. None can enter into His Kingdom who have not cleaned the soul temple of sin here in this probationary time. We are living in the time we with His help, indwelling power, we are well able to be overcomers as he has. Do you have that faith that He is able to do all He has promised? That is all it takes besides falling on Him and being broken, dead of the old man of self alive in a new man in Him and He in you. Then a transformation takes place in that man. Then truly alive in a new life of being victorious is what we must have.

That is the part a man must play, He cannot do it all for us, we must work in cooperation.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

The answer is an absolute no! Why? Because what is the most important crop we can reap from this life? Our Salvation! Without knowing how it can be that we obtain the power of Christ over the world, sin, all evil and Satan we of ourselves are nothing as our power is a teaspoon full out of the ocean.

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Gibs, What do you mean, an absolute No!!!!

No offense, but I believe this is what you have been doing all this time for months, talking about overcoming, overcoming, until you have become as dry as the hills of Giboa, without the power because you have not learned at the school of Christ that our only hope of overcoming is by laying right hold upon the merits of a crucified and risen Savior.

Jesus was accused of belittling the law, making light of the law and therefore of obedience to the law because He did not dwell upon the specifications of the law.

"Jesus had not dwelt upon the specifications of the law, but He did not leave His hearers to conclude that He had come to set aside its requirements." D.A.307.

We are to follow His example. We are not to dwell upon the law per se, upon obedience to the law but upon the faith that lays right hold upon the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring His righteousness into the life that we may become strong in the Lord to keep every precept of the law.

By habitually dwelling upon Christ and His all-sufficient merits the requirements of the law will taken care of.

"Habitually dwelling upon Christ and His all-sufficient merits increases faith, quickens the power of spiritual discernment, strengthens the desire to be like Him and brings an earnestness into prayer that makes it efficacious." E.G.W. Gospel Worker,166.

"The sinner must ever look toward Calvary; and with the simple faith of a little child, he must rest in the merits of Christ, accepting His righteousness and believing in His mercy." Evangelism,185.

Because "The merits of Jesus blot out transgressions and clothe us with the robe of righteousness woven in the loom of Heaven." Ibid,186.

So I ask you, one more time, Where is the emphasis to be put upon? Upon obedience to the law or upon trusting in the merits of the Redeemer in order to bring the power that enables us to obey the law?

sky

* "We have been at work on the law until we become as dry as the hills of Gibs, without dew or rain. Let us trust in the merits of Jesus Christ of Nazareth." :)

[Gibs]

One don't need to dwell on the specification of the law Sky if he truly has the love of God in him, as the law is in his heart, it is now part of him and is his will to do.

Now, I too hold to the merits of Christ and there is so many, here is a short quote one of EGw,

Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel. {FLB 114.2}

And Sky you ask, "So I ask you, one more time, Where is the emphasis to be put? Upon obedience to the law or upon trusting in the merits of the Redeemer in order to bring the power that enables us to obey the law?"

Again the emphasis is for me to find His Way He has made to be an overcomer! The above quote of EGW is a very good answer too.

Man wants to take sin into Heaven and it isn't going to happen, he must annihilate it now in this probationary time as it is the only time and the way is He in us and the old mand dead fallen on Him and fully broken that He now is the new Master of our soul temple.

No Sky the true message cannot be made soft as most would like it. But the thing is it is not hard at all, it is just that self must die!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[skyblue888]

Dwelling upon the specifications of the law is the same as dwelling upon obedience all the time. This is what Mrs. White meant when she said that we had been working on the law until we became as dry as the hills of Gilboa, without dew or rain. Right after saying that she said, "Let us trust in the merits of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. May God help us that our eyes may be anointed with eyesalve that we may see."

Trusting in the merits of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the way, the only way to attain to righteousness.

"The only way to attain to righteousness (obedience to the law) is through faith. By faith the sinner can bring to God the merits of Christ." F.W.101.

This speaks loudly but it is the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit.

sky

[skyblue888]

Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel. {FLB 114.2}

Gibs, Did you quote this statement to put the emphasis on the last sentence?

Trough the merits of Christ alone we are to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and it is through the Holy Spirit that we become partakers of the divine nature.

"Looking unto Jesus and trusting in His merits we appropriate the blessings of light and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." 5 T 744.

"Through the Holy Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature." D.A.671.

sky

[Gibs]

Her statement there is profitable in emphasis on more than one part of the equation of walking with Him there Sky. But my thrust there is being an overcomer and hers is a great deal to and so is Christ's. He states it 7 times in Revelation.

She lays the full spectrum of the picture in that quote pretty much of what it takes and that is what is needed to post. We need the whole idea so a misconception cannot be taken. Yes I like it as I do so many she has worded so much better than I that I love to post them. I will even underline this time.

"Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel." {FLB 114.2}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.