Walter Veith arrested in Germany for exposing Catholicism??

[BobRyan]

I heard a report today that prayers are needed for Walter Veith who was arrested in Germany for statements made in his seminar that are uncomplimentary to the doctrines and actions of the Catholic church.

Anyone else heard this?

in Christ,

Bob

[Lysimachus]

Anti-Semetism. Veith believes Spectrum Magazine was involved.

[Lysimachus]

Add me to Facebook BobRyan, and you'll get all the news on there. I'm right in the info highway.

[BobRyan]

Ok - but that means I need to remember where I put that facebook login.

:)

[John317]

I heard a report today that prayers are needed for Walter Veith who was arrested in Germany for statements made in his seminar that are uncomplimentary to the doctrines and actions of the Catholic church.

Anyone else heard this?

I heard this yesterday on Face Book, but I haven't seen confirmation of it. It seems to be just a rumor. So far as I can see, there's nothing about it on the Internet.

[John317]

Lysimachus, do you know for a fact that the story is true? Could you tell us how you found out that Veith believes Spectrum is involved?

[Stan]

His sensationalism is uncomplimentary to the doctrines and actions of the Catholic Adventist church.

[Bravus]

This page is in German, but Google Chrome will do a reasonable job of translation to English: http://www.eann.de/erneute-stellungnahme-der-adventisten-zu-jeder-form-des-antisemitismus/14647/

It says that the church in Germany has made a public statement condemning antisemitism after Veith said in a lecture that the Jesuits used the Nazi area to get Israel for the Jews...

Not exactly persecution of Veith for truth-telling. Rather, deep embarrassment for the denomination at the nonsense he spews.

[LifeHiscost]

What I have followed of Walter Veith, he always gives the source of his information and asks for the conclusions to which those listening come. His comments are not derogatory unless repeating others conclusive remarks and reported informational reports such as encyclicals makes him derogatory.

Here's a quote I read from one of the comments columns googled, at least 90% derogatory of Walter Veith. The column revealed the truth of the Scriptures, a sure indication of men's usual acceptance of that which God is trying to warn them.

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I can´t believe how we attack ourselves, and how you all blame veith for all those theories, when everyone with an aye at the university can find masons and people who knows about those theories, without being SDA or knowing Veith, If you havent watched Total onslaught (you reader) Watch it first and then dicide yourself, Most of the accusations against Veith exposed here, are not well based, and half of them are a bias.

You should be praying for his ministry you cowards who don't dare to preach that hard, only preaching good deeds, and forgetting of end-time prophecy

If you are an adventist go and read the great controversy and selected messages,

You cheeky scholars, you are the ones who speak with "authority" Instead filling up the work veith does, yes he may be fundamentalist, but he gain many souls for the Lord, whatever the reason it be, its accountable to the Lord, you shuld rather be filling up the missing part you speak of, he teaches prophecy and paranoid stuff, whoever may call our religion a paranoic cult, with your standards. but we know what we stand for, and rather fill out the part those other persons are lacking at your eyes, those veith-converted-fundamentalist adventist paranoids, teach them the other side of christianity, the side "off conspiracies" if u like.

James 4:11

Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (ASV)

James 4:12

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor? (NASV)

God blesses!

[John317]

This is a letter written by Walter Veith:

Walter Veith wrote (28 Nov, 2012)

Concerning legal proceedings against myself in Germany:

A case of sedition (incitement against the government) has been lodged against me for apparent anti Semitic statements in my lecture on Daniel 11 (see my response below). It is probable that the people who lodged the complaint are the group from EANN (the German equivalent of SPECTRUM MAGAZINE) because they propagated such action immediately after the lecture. “Spectrum” is our liberal magazine whose first editor claimed that the visions that Ellen White received were as a result of epileptic attacks so the rest of their theology can be deduced from sentiments such as these.

There is no court case as yet, only the charge has been lodged. The police have made their enquiries, and it is up to the government now to decide whether they have a case and this will take until January — then we will know. Ellen White predicted that such things would happen so I am of good spirits because it proves the Spirit of Prophecy right. I have accepted that the matter is now in the hands of the Government and trust that God is in control. Below a few ‘epileptic attacks’ to give us hope and courage.

Dear Brethren in Germany

I wish to briefly respond to the allegations of anti Semitism during my recent visit to Germany.

Let me assure you brethren that I am not by any stretch of the imagination an Anti Semite. Indeed, any form of racism is abhorrent to me and having grown up in South Africa I have firsthand experience regarding this issue and have been an ardent campaigner against racist injustice all my life. Also, as South African, I was probably not attuned to the hypersensitivity of the current German nation regarding the injustices perpetrated on the Jews by the N a z i regime and my comments have thus been misinterpreted. As you well know, German is not my first language and I believe that some of the supposed statements regarding belittling remarks such as “gelbes Tuechlein” stem from my linguistic inadequacy in this department and certainly not from malicious intent as some hope to surmise. Moreover, the treatment the Jews received in Germany and for that matter from many other nations as well can only be described as diabolical and there was certainly historic ‘herding’ involved to the shame of all who practiced it. Moreover, ‘herding’ is the modus operandi of Christ’s adversary, who is herding the whole world into a collective mindset which will result in the final persecution of God’s antitypical Israel. This is not a conspiracy theory but a prophetic reality and the Spirit of Prophecy warns that if we associate with those who war against Christ we will soon come to see matters in the same light as they and lose our discernment. I plead with you dear brethren to note the serious times we are living in and heed the warnings that God has so graciously given us through the Spirit of Prophecy.

The purpose of the lecture was to show that literal Israel (both physically and theologically) can in no way represent the ‘Spiritual Israel’ of the Bible and that any theological gymnastics to the contrary cannot negate this fact. Indeed this is the Advent position and stands contrary to most modern theological views held by other evangelicals. My purpose was not to attack the Jews but to defend the Advent position. Of necessity the Advent position will create controversy as it stands in juxtaposition to all other views. It is my sincere wish that that all people, including the Jews, will accept the Advent position which glorifies Christ and firmly establishes Him as Saviour and Ruler of the ‘Israel of God’.

Since it is obvious that some misconstrued my comments as derogatory to the Jews I again wish to reiterate that that was not my intent and I sincerely apologize if it came across that way.

Hopefully this matter can now be laid to rest.

Your brother in Christ,

Walter Veith

Source: http://www.godslastwarning.com/walter-veith-up-on-charges-in-germany/

[Bravus]

So, basically, nothing at all to do with Spectrum, and his rank guess that it was EANN with no evidence.

I'm happy to leave it there: he's condemned by his own words and actions...

[BobRyan]

[BobRyan]

This is a letter written by Walter Veith:

Walter Veith wrote (28 Nov, 2012)

Concerning legal proceedings against myself in Germany:

A case of sedition (incitement against the government) has been lodged against me for apparent anti Semitic statements in my lecture on Daniel 11 (see my response below). It is probable that the people who lodged the complaint are the group from EANN (the German equivalent of SPECTRUM MAGAZINE) because they propagated such action immediately after the lecture. “Spectrum” is our liberal magazine whose first editor claimed that the visions that Ellen White received were as a result of epileptic attacks ...

The purpose of the lecture was to show that literal Israel (both physically and theologically) can in no way represent the ‘Spiritual Israel’ of the Bible and that any theological gymnastics to the contrary cannot negate this fact. Indeed this is the Advent position and stands contrary to most modern theological views held by other evangelicals.

Source: http://www.godslastwarning.com/walter-veith-up-on-charges-in-germany/

Thanks John. That explains a lot.

I am praying for Walter Veith's success in light of the false charges being made.

in Christ,

Bob

[Stan]

Vieth needs to read how EGW said we should treat Catholics. There was a thread on here about that.

[Naomi]

[Gordon1]

Has the German Church abandoned Veith or do they support him?

[Woody]

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Not exactly persecution of Veith for truth-telling. Rather, deep embarrassment for the denomination at the nonsense he spews.

One of the Devil's greatest tools in the last days is sensationalism and Veith seems to have mastered it to a fine art.

[BobRyan]

Has the German Church abandoned Veith or do they support him?

I don't know. Apparently however there is some sort of extension of SPECTRUM in Germany - that does the same-old-same-old as SPECTRUM does here.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Dr Veith appears to start off all of his explanations of classic SDA statements on the beast and the mark of the beast - with the fact that he was himself raised in a Catholic home and does not mean to offend any Catholic Christians by what the Bible says regarding the dark ages and the doctrines that came about at that time.

However in this case he is being accused of antisemitism. Frankly I was not aware that SPECTRUM or their associates were going down that road. Of course I am not following them very closely so I suppose it is possible these days.

in Christ,

Bob

[jasd]

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>>a prophetic reality<<

Speaking of prophetic realities - it will come to pass that the .Org will be sued for infammatory remarks made against other .orgs - seeking monetary compensation - and will lose.

Precedence exists allowing the judge(s) of these matters to allow the plaintiffs to ensure a monetary judgement by attaching assets of individuals belonging to the .Org.

As noted elsewhere on these boards recently - it may be that one ought consider striking one's name from the rolls of the .Org - noting that the only book where one's name truly matters is the Book of Life.

Have I added to Veith's sensationalism?

Troublous times, dear ones.

[Naomi]

whatever.....my name will stay where it is

[Bravus]

Would very much like to see a {translated) transcript of Veith's remarks. So far we have only a very sketchy idea of what was actually said.

Bottom line, though, is that the thread title is misleading: he wasn't arrested, and it wasn't anything to do with Catholicism.

He made comments that were interpreted as antisemitic, and that the church felt it needed to publicly distance itself from.

[Bravus]

From Chrome's translation of the page I linked earlier:

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Reason is the opinion of the lecture "king of the north", Part 2, by Dr. Walter Veith, an Adventist from South Africa, on 20 October 2012 in Nuremberg held and was also webcast. "In it, he defended the thesis that Freemasons and Jesuits had used the Nazi era, the Jews finally get to Palestine to Christianity get distracted from the real biblical statements and misled," said the statement. Embedded in this "conspiracy theory" approach using the speaker terms, such as "Verherdung" of the Jews in the sense of cooperation and bustle. He also plays down the Star of David as a "yellow handkerchief". "We believe that such designations antisemitic discriminatory and get a criminal trivializing the Nazi reign of terror, very close."

The Adventist church leaders emphasize: "We dissociate decided by such statements and conspiracy. We see this as not our mission to evangelize. Here is a speculative worldview is widespread, there is no basis in the Bible and the real purpose of the gospel distracting. Moreover, that the manner of the presentation is not an ethically justifiable dealing with other religions. "The Adventist departments and municipalities will encouraged to ensure" that such events take place either in our name nor in our premises. "

[jasd]

As far as names remaining where they are currently: "As the heart leadeth, good woman."

However, should you be a grandma - how will you fulfill the Biblical mandate that the grandmother is to leave an inheritance for her grandchildren should you lose your assets due to a suit brought against an organization to which you are both member and participant?

You'll be overcome with liabilities - as seems Veith is currently experiencing.

The thinking in many sectors of our Social stratosphere is: sue them out of existance...

[Bravus]

From Chrome's translation of the page I linked earlier:

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Reason is the opinion of the lecture "king of the north", Part 2, by Dr. Walter Veith, an Adventist from South Africa, on 20 October 2012 in Nuremberg held and was also webcast.

"In it, he defended the thesis that Freemasons and Jesuits had used the Nazi era, the Jews finally get to Palestine to Christianity get distracted from the real biblical statements and misled," said the statement. Embedded in this "conspiracy theory" approach using the speaker terms, such as "Verherdung" of the Jews in the sense of cooperation and bustle. He also plays down the Star of David as a "yellow handkerchief".

"We believe that such designations antisemitic discriminatory and get a criminal trivializing the Nazi reign of terror, very close." The Adventist church leaders emphasize: "We dissociate decided by such statements and conspiracy. We see this as not our mission to evangelize. Here is a speculative worldview is widespread, there is no basis in the Bible and the real purpose of the gospel distracting. Moreover, that the manner of the presentation is not an ethically justifiable dealing with other religions. "The Adventist departments and municipalities will encouraged to ensure" that such events take place either in our name nor in our premises. "