Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 James 4:13 Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money." 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that." 16 As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil. What is "evil"? Boasting that you are in control! Boasting that your guns give you life. Quote
bonnie Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 James 4:13 Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money." 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that." 16 As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil. What is "evil"? Boasting that you are in control! Boasting that your guns give you life. What I do consider evil is those that make up claims against others as to what they claim or have said and then use the bible to prove their lies Has someone boasted that guns give you life? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 You can cut and paste a lot of scriptures but somehow they do not seem to apply to you.Why is that? Can you provide the book title and page where "Jack" says You can use violence,just not undue violence in the defense of yourself and family if you are led by God? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 "If it is the Lord's will, we will live" That's all you need to know, Bonnie. You life is in God's hands. Of now your hour has not yet come. Your guns will no save you. Trust in God. If He wants you to live, you will. If not, you take a nap. He allows nothing out of malice, but rather pure agape love. Quote
bonnie Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 "If it is the Lord's will, we will live" That's all you need to know, Bonnie. You life is in God's hands. Of now your hour has not yet come. Your guns will no save you. Trust in God. If He wants you to live, you will. If not, you take a nap. He allows nothing out of malice, but rather pure agape love. Then back to square one.What is your problem with so many innocent children dying?"If it is the Lord's will, we will live" Nothing could have saved them.If He wants you to live, you will. Except of course if it is your wife and you use only the amount of force necessary to help God save her life. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 "If it is the Lord's will, we will live" You can't see behind the curtain, Bonnie. Nothing takes God by surprise. God knew these kids would be murdered. God knew that Lucifer would turn from God and rebel, yet He created Him anyway. Either trust that God loves you with an everlasting love or trust to yourself and your weapons. It's that easy or that hard. Quote
M. T. Cross Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted By: EmptyCross The people that killed Christ were the same that did not defend themselves well enough and let the Romans rule them.... The Jews revolted against Roman. Roman slaughtered 1 million Jews. If the US military moved against us we too would die. If you think your pea-shooters will help, think again. I don't own a gun so your point is moot. I am Canadian, we have different gun laws than the States. Quote
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 I am Canadian, we have different gun laws than the States. Murders by guns: US: 9369 Canada: 144 Quote
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted By: EmptyCross I am Canadian, we have different gun laws than the States. Murders by guns: US: 9369 Canada: 144 Canada's population is about 1/10 the US. So that's 10 x 144 or 1440 for Canada, population wise. Still, Canada's murder by gun is only 15% of ours. Since people are people and human nature is the same everywhere, it must be gun regulation. Quote
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 God knew that Lucifer would turn from God and rebel, yet He created Him anyway. Why? Well, I can't explain the big picture, but I can explain part of it. Where I work is very typical of management everywhere. They come up with these insane ideas that look good on paper, but when put into practice it reveals their utter stupidity. Lucifer came up with the idea of self-love. Read the following lyrics: I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be Everybody's searching for a hero People need someone to look up to I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs A lonely place to be And so I learned to depend on me I decided long ago, never to walk in anyone's shadows If I fail, if I succeed At least I'll live as I believe No matter what they take from me They can't take away my dignity Because the greatest love of all Is happening to me I found the greatest love of all Inside of me The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all Doesn't those lyrics sound simply wonderful? Self-love sounds great, until placed into practice. So the only way God could expose the lie of self-love was to allow it to be developed and put into practice. For over 6000 years you have seen the result of self-love. Ellen White: Satan’s rebellion (He rebelled against God's agape) was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages, a perpetual testimony to the nature and terrible results of sin. The working out of Satan’s rule (self-love), its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside the divine authority. It would testify that with the existence of God’s government and His law is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard to all holy intelligences, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of transgression, to save them from committing sin and suffering its punishments. So there's the big picture. God allowed Lucifer to develop his love of self to expose his lie so that iniquity would never rise its ugly head again! So He will bring something good out of something terrible. Has self-love brought peace? No! Self-love has brought envy, strife, war, jealousy, murder, theft, etc, etc. Why? Because self-love is about me - what I want - what I need. In other words get out of my way - it's mine, all mine. And while I'm smiling to your face, all the time I want to take your place, the backstabber. (Wow, another song) Quote
Robert Posted December 24, 2012 Author Posted December 24, 2012 Satan’s rebellion (He rebelled against God's agape) was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages, a perpetual testimony to the nature and terrible results of sin. The working out of Satan’s rule (self-love), its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside the divine authority. It would testify that with the existence of God’s government and His law is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard to all holy intelligences, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of transgression, to save them from committing sin and suffering its punishments. Agape and the Great Controversy When Satan rebelled against God in heaven [Revelation 12:7-9], he was really rebelling against the God’s agape love the spirit of His law [Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:10; Galatians 5:13-14]. The idea that “love (agape) seeketh not her own” (i.e., self) [1 Corinthians 13:5] was too restrictive to Lucifer. Consequently he objected to it and introduced the principle of self-love or eros [Ezekiel 28:15; Isaiah 14:12-14]. Therefore, ever since his fall, the enemy of God and man (Satan) has hated the concept of agape. When this concept was restored to the human race through the preaching of the gospel, he naturally was ready to attack it with all his might [Revelation 12:10-12]. Hence, the very first thing he attacked in the Christian church was not the sabbath or the state of the dead; these truths came later, but he zeroed in first on the concept of God’s agape love. Quote
bonnie Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 Well, I can't explain the big picture, but I can explain part of it. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Guest Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 She's right Robert, on every point. It's not fair really, because her mind is obviously so much sharper than yours. Quote
Robert Posted December 25, 2012 Author Posted December 25, 2012 Keep insulting....Both of you are good at it. Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 Awww, you can take a little ribbin. I'm just trying to help you with your humility problem. Love your neighbor more than yourself, right? I live to serve. Quote
Members phkrause Posted December 25, 2012 Members Posted December 25, 2012 Keep insulting....Both of you are good at it. Originally Posted By: Robert You are ignorant. What, compared to this comment made to Bonnie? Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Robert Posted December 25, 2012 Author Posted December 25, 2012 Originally Posted By: Robert Keep insulting....Both of you are good at it. Originally Posted By: Robert You are ignorant. What, compared to this comment made to Bonnie? Just stating a fact. Quote
Robert Posted December 25, 2012 Author Posted December 25, 2012 She's right Robert, on every point. It's not fair really, because her mind is obviously so much sharper than yours. And just because you state this means what? Nothing. I've noticed something about you, RLH, you can't defend your positions so you cheer others on. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 I've noticed something about you, RLH, you can't defend your positions so you cheer others on. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Just means I've wasted enough words on you already over the years, and I'm not willing to waste too many more. It doesn't hurt to lend a little support to someone else who is though. Quote
CoAspen Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 This topic has gone so far away from theology to mere ranting!!! Wow! Got to love christianity!!!!!! Quote
bonnie Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 This topic has gone so far away from theology to mere ranting!!! Wow! Got to love christianity!!!!!! Who has done the ranting? When Robert is asked for a response he takes off in another direction as "being stabbed in the back" by co-workers. He cannot answer simple direct questions for statements and "beliefs" he claims to hold.I am still asking him the same questions related directly to his claims and statements,he still is wandering off in other directions in an attempt to deflect Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 Keep insulting....Both of you are good at it. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Q.E.D. Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 When Robert is asked for a response he takes off in another direction as "being stabbed in the back" by co-workers.He cannot answer simple direct questions for statements and "beliefs" he claims to hold.I am still asking him the same questions related directly to his claims and statements,he still is wandering off in other directions in an attempt to deflect That pretty well sums it up. . .Seems unable to answer questions with a simple "Yes" or "No" and then proceeds to pontificate in replies to his own posts! Merry Christmas! Quote Satanic Verses-Salman Rushdie.
bonnie Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 That pretty well sums it up. . .Seems unable to answer questions with a simple "Yes" or "No" and then proceeds to pontificate in replies to his own posts! Merry Christmas! When your stated religious convictions are like the that is a tactic that sometimes goes unnoticed and works. Hard to pin down and be held accountable for what you claim to believe Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
7daysadventist Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 HA HA, at first glance I thought this whole thread was about the Lynyrd Skynyrd album from 2009 entitled 'God and Guns'. Here are the lyrics from the same titled song: "Lyrics to God & Guns : Last night I heard this politician Talking 'bout his brand new mission Liked his plans, but they came undone when he got around with God and guns I don't know how he grew up But it sure wasn't down at the hunting club Cause if it was he'd understand a little bit more about the working man God and guns Keep us strong That's what this country Was founded on Well we might as well give up and run If we let them take our God and guns I'm here in my back of the woods Where God is great and guns are good You really can't know that much about 'm If you think we're better off without 'm Well there was a time we ain't forgot You caressed all night with the doors unlocked But there ain't nobody save no more So you say your prayers and you thank the lord For that peace maker And the joy God and guns (God and guns) Keep us strong That's what this country, lord Was founded on Well we might as well give up and run, If we let 'm take our God and guns. Yea we might as well give up and run, If we let 'm take our God and guns! Yeaaa Ooh God and guns Don't let 'm take Don't you let 'm take Don't let 'm take Our God and guns Oh God and guns Ye keep us strong That's what this country, lord Was founded on Well we might aswell give up and run, If we let 'm take our God and guns! Wohoho God and guns Wohohoo" Quote
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