Christ was a Seventh-day Adventist

[skyblue888]

He is called the Son of man on account of the very fact that He was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

The Scriptures are crystal clear that on His human side He was one of us and was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sinning. See Heb.2:14;4:15,

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[Robert]

Amen, Bob, there is no doubt about it.

No, Jesus was not....Because the SDA church is Laodicea. So are all the others.....

[cardw]

He ate clean meat - as defined by His Word.

Oh yeah, Seventh Day Adventists are known for their teaching on clean meat. LOL

I guess Jesus didn't think the vegetarian thing was all that important.

[BobRyan]

1 Thess 5 tells us not to despise the messages sent from God by His prophets... so "we don't".

And "yes" SDAs are known for our views on accepting Lev 11 - clean and unclean meats as well as teaching that the Bible model of Genesis 1 and 2 - where mankind was given a vegetarian diet -- is best.

Christ Himself is known for saying that the Law of God would not be changed and that He did not come to abolish the scriptures.

In any case - that OP quote that Christ was in fact a Seventh-day Adventist when you look at His teachings is pretty interesting.

Randy Skeete has two other sermons that everyone should hear.

Here is one of them.

[Ron Amnsn]

Yes, Jesus is called "the Son-of-Man" on account of the very fact that He - GOD - was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

I think the reason Jesus is called the "Son of Man" is because the word "Man" in Hebrew is the same as the word "Adam" and there is a prophecy about a specific descendent of Adam that would crush the head of the serpent. Jesus is "THE Son of Adam" that fulfills that prophecy. The rest of us are also descendants of Adam, but we are not the long-awaited One to fulfill the ancient prophesy.

Jesus is called the "Son of David" for a similar reason. There are prophesies regarding a particular descendant of David.

[Ron Amnsn]

Was Christ a Seventh-day Adventist - for all intents and purposes?

No. Some teachings of Jesus are not accepted in the SDA Church.

Jesus taught, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matt 5:17-18) But SDA's teach that portions of the Law and the Prophets are no longer valid, and they think (even though Jesus specifically commanded that they not think such things) that Jesus came to fulfill the Law in order that those portions could be abolished.

Jesus taught, "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matt 5:19) But among SDA's those who keep and teach all of the commandments of God are not called "great in the kingdom of heaven", rather they are called "Judaizers" or "legalists" or "stuck in the Old Testament".

Jesus told the church of Thyatira "Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come." (Rev. 2:25) But the SDA church teaches that what the church of Thyatira had is not sufficient -- that before Jesus comes people will need the additional teachings of the SDA church.

Jesus really was of the tribe of Judah, heir to the throne of David, which makes him Jewish by nationality. But more important than that, Jesus lived according to the Law of Moses, showing how God intended His Law to be lived, which puts him within the realm of the Jewish religion of his day and outside the bounds of the SDA religion of our day.

[Windsor]

I suppose the church of Thyatira sacrificed animals as well as all the other Levitical laws in terms of clothing material and mold and skin lesions and kept all the feast days?

[Windsor]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

He ate clean meat - as defined by His Word.

Oh yeah, Seventh Day Adventists are known for their teaching on clean meat. LOL

I guess Jesus didn't think the vegetarian thing was all that important.

I don't think you know Adentists. Close to have of them eat meat which is no small number and of those, most avoid unclean meats.

Also, the health message wasn't meant for the time of the disciples. It was meant for a time when eating vegetarian was practical.

[cardw]

Originally Posted By: cardw

Oh yeah, Seventh Day Adventists are known for their teaching on clean meat. LOL

I guess Jesus didn't think the vegetarian thing was all that important.

I don't think you know Adentists. Close to have of them eat meat which is no small number and of those, most avoid unclean meats.

Also, the health message wasn't meant for the time of the disciples. It was meant for a time when eating vegetarian was practical.

I am quite familiar with Adventists. I grew up as one. And yes many Adventist eat meat, but Adventist are not known for teaching meat eating. They are known for teaching vegetarianism.

And Jesus was definitely not a vegetarian. This idea that vegetarianism wasn't practical is a dodge. What evidence do you have for this?

What I have found is instead of looking at evidence, most believers selectively choose only that which agrees with what they already believe. If there isn't any evidence to choose then they make stuff up.

This sounds made up to me.

[Ron Amnsn]

I suppose the church of Thyatira sacrificed animals as well as all the other Levitical laws in terms of clothing material and mold and skin lesions and kept all the feast days?

If the church of Thyatira were following the example of Jesus they would have been aiming to keep God's Law of Moses as Jesus did.

Because the Law allows offering animal sacrifices only at the place where God chose to place his name-- the Temple at Jerusalem, the church in Thyatira would not have sacrificed animals in Thyatira. Until the Greater Exodus when God regathers the Israelites and the Gentiles who are grafted in to Israel, the faithful Jews scattered outside of Israel keep as much of the Law as they can in their circumstances, as the prophet Daniel did.

[Windsor]

Originally Posted By: Windsor

I suppose the church of Thyatira sacrificed animals as well as all the other Levitical laws in terms of clothing material and mold and skin lesions and kept all the feast days?

If the church of Thyatira were following the example of Jesus they would have been aiming to keep God's Law of Moses as Jesus did.

Because the Law allows offering animal sacrifices only at the place where God chose to place his name-- the Temple at Jerusalem, the church in Thyatira would not have sacrificed animals in Thyatira. Until the Greater Exodus when God regathers the Israelites and the Gentiles who are grafted in to Israel, the faithful Jews scattered outside of Israel keep as much of the Law as they can in their circumstances, as the prophet Daniel did.

God condoned animal sacrifices by His people from Adam, Abel, etc. up through Moses because there was no temple. Don't you think He would understand now again since for 2000 years there has not been a temple? And forget about the animal sacrifices for a bit. Are you keeping all the other so-called laws of Moses?

[Dr. Shane]

Was Christ a Seventh-day Adventist - for all intents and purposes?

Yes. Of course. And He still is.

[whatisthis]

And a Baptist, because He was baptized, and a Lutheran because His salvation is by grace alone, and, of course, a member of the church of Christ and -- Wait a minute! I just remembered that He is the Vine and we are just branches! He's Christ and WE are the members of His body!

[OzarkWoman]

I am quite familiar with Adventists. I grew up as one. And yes many Adventist eat meat, but Adventist are not known for teaching meat eating. They are known for teaching vegetarianism.

I have to say that I think you are wrong about SDA teaching vegetarianism because not once in the churches I have attended and so attend do they teach that. Yes, they do teach having a healthy lifestyle but they do not actually teach what you say. I must say that many of the SDAs in here are quite the fundamentialists.

[Ron Amnsn]

God condoned animal sacrifices by His people from Adam, Abel, etc. up through Moses because there was no temple. Don't you think He would understand now again since for 2000 years there has not been a temple?

[BobRyan]

Still thinking that this was a great sermon -

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthread...html#Post598165

[Windsor]

Originally Posted By: Windsor

God condoned animal sacrifices by His people from Adam, Abel, etc. up through Moses because there was no temple. Don't you think He would understand now again since for 2000 years there has not been a temple?

Windsor, your comments seem to be a "red herring" to distract from the topic of this thread.

God instructed Adam and his descendants how and when to sacrifice animals. The last instructions we have from God about how to sacrifice is that it can only be done at Jerusalem with properly consecrated descendants of Aaron officiating as priests.

King Saul presumed that God didn't really mean what he said about how to sacrifice and suffered the consequences as a result. "And Samuel said, Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king." (1Sam 15:22-23)

Originally Posted By: Windsor

And forget about the animal sacrifices for a bit. Are you keeping all the other so-called laws of Moses?

Is what I'm doing really relevant to the discussion? Shouldn't you be asking instead, "What did Jesus do?" I am aiming to honor and follow God's law, as Jesus did. That is the example that Jesus gave us when he said, "Follow me."

Can't I be an imitator of you as you imitate Christ? That's what Paul taught.

"Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ." 1 Corinthians 11:1

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

Was Christ a Seventh-day Adventist - for all intents and purposes?

Yes. Of course. And He still is.

Amen -

[FLO]

I've not followed this thread - But I have to wonder which of the Beliefs of the SDA Church Jesus is opposed to.

As far as I know :

Jesus believed in both the 7th day Sabbath and the Second Advent.

Thus - I would have to say that He is a Seventh day Adventist.

Jesus would never have celebrated Christmas and Easter, both of which are pagan celebrations that were adopted by the Catholic church and they the SDA church still celebrates.

Jesus celebrated Passover as well as the other Holy days of Lev. 23 and the SDA church does not. (www.EasterTruth.info)

[FLO]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

Was Christ a Seventh-day Adventist - for all intents and purposes?

No. Some teachings of Jesus are not accepted in the SDA Church.

Jesus taught, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matt 5:17-18) But SDA's teach that portions of the Law and the Prophets are no longer valid, and they think (even though Jesus specifically commanded that they not think such things) that Jesus came to fulfill the Law in order that those portions could be abolished.

Jesus taught, "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matt 5:19) But among SDA's those who keep and teach all of the commandments of God are not called "great in the kingdom of heaven", rather they are called "Judaizers" or "legalists" or "stuck in the Old Testament".

Jesus told the church of Thyatira "Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come." (Rev. 2:25) But the SDA church teaches that what the church of Thyatira had is not sufficient -- that before Jesus comes people will need the additional teachings of the SDA church.

Jesus really was of the tribe of Judah, heir to the throne of David, which makes him Jewish by nationality. But more important than that, Jesus lived according to the Law of Moses, showing how God intended His Law to be lived, which puts him within the realm of the Jewish religion of his day and outside the bounds of the SDA religion of our day.

Amen! :)

[Gail]

Jesus would never have celebrated Christmas and Easter, both of which are pagan celebrations that were adopted by the Catholic church and they the SDA church still celebrates.

Jesus celebrated Passover as well as the other Holy days of Lev. 23 and the SDA church does not. (www.EasterTruth.info)

Except that the secular world argues against them for their Christianity, hence the move to ban their observance in schools.

[Ted Oplinger]

Originally Posted By: Woody

I've not followed this thread - But I have to wonder which of the Beliefs of the SDA Church Jesus is opposed to.

As far as I know :

Jesus believed in both the 7th day Sabbath and the Second Advent.

Thus - I would have to say that He is a Seventh day Adventist.

Jesus would never have celebrated Christmas and Easter, both of which are pagan celebrations that were adopted by the Catholic church and they the SDA church still celebrates.

Jesus celebrated Passover as well as the other Holy days of Lev. 23 and the SDA church does not. (www.EasterTruth.info)

That still puts Him square with those within the SDA Church who 1) don't celebrate the pagan holidays, and 2) do recognize and celebrate the Passover and other Holy days.

However...celebrating Passover truthfully means not being vegan/vegetarian, at least for the day

That said - if Jesus came down, with glory veiled, and walked among us today, He might just use the Christmas and Easter seasons to promote who He really is among the congregations and celebrations at those times, as the focus of those pagan holidays is...Christ Himself these days. The cultures that retained the pagan significance behind those respective holidays are long vanished from our time today.

Blessings,

[Windsor]

Although not Biblical, Christmas has never been a pagan holiday but was started by Christians.

[BobRyan]

And a Baptist, because He was baptized, and a Lutheran because His salvation is by grace alone,

Correction - those are both Adventist, and He kept Sabbath - and He taught the correct view on the Second coming in Matt 24 as being "AFTER the tribulation" and he taught free will "whosoever will may come" AND he taught the correct view of the state of the dead in Matt 22 - AND he promoted the continued observance of Sabbath long after the cross in Matt 24 .. and He taught the importance of the prophetic book of Daniel.

Pure SDA.

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted By: BobRyan

Was Christ a Seventh-day Adventist - for all intents and purposes?

No. Some teachings of Jesus are not accepted in the SDA Church.

Jesus taught, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Matt 5:17-18) But SDA's teach that portions of the Law and the Prophets are no longer valid, and they think (even though Jesus specifically commanded that they not think such things) that Jesus came to fulfill the Law in order that those portions could be abolished.

Jesus taught, "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matt 5:19) But among SDA's those who keep and teach all of the commandments of God are not called "great in the kingdom of heaven", rather they are called "Judaizers" or "legalists" or "stuck in the Old Testament".

Jesus told the church of Thyatira "Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come." (Rev. 2:25) But the SDA church teaches that what the church of Thyatira had is not sufficient -- that before Jesus comes people will need the additional teachings of the SDA church.

Jesus really was of the tribe of Judah, heir to the throne of David, which makes him Jewish by nationality. But more important than that, Jesus lived according to the Law of Moses, showing how God intended His Law to be lived, which puts him within the realm of the Jewish religion of his day and outside the bounds of the SDA religion of our day.

Jesus was speaking of the Moral Law not the ceremonial law which would end according to His own word given to Paul in Hebrews 10 "he takes AWAY the first in order to establish the second" - and Hebrews 7 "Where there is a CHANGE of priesthood there is a CHANGE of Law ALSO".

As Paul points out in 1Cor 7:19 comparing the ceremonial law to the moral law of God - Paul says that ceremonial laws such as circumcision do not matter "but what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" --

The same thing that the Christian Church approved of in Acts 15.

All by Christ's command - as "The body of Christ" in the NT.

in Christ,

Bob