This is Information All SDA's Should Know Of

[EmptyTomb]

Stan said:You would think someone who is cramming for the finals would know better.

Is that statement directed at me or gib,s? Because i certainly know better and have been exposed to false sda,s for the last 8 years or so.

[LifeHiscost]

debbym,

Too much evidence it is a Masonic sign along with many others, they have many, strange so many Christians are giving that sign in those pictures. Masonry originated long before from the Jews or so called Jews.

I would like to believe they knew not what they were doing but James Whites's Lithograph kinda ices the cake, the all seeing eye and 4 X's on the trees horizontal limbs.

Well I am shocked as I know all those smybols. Masonry has a way of getting into about all there is, the Mormon church is the heaviest with it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

A Message of Commendation—I am very thankful to our gracious heavenly Father that He has given you strength through His imparted grace to cut yourself loose from the Free Mason lodge and all that relates to the society. It was not safe for you to have any part with this secret order. Those who stand under the blood-stained banner of Prince Immanuel cannot be united with the Free Masons or with any secret organization. The seal of the living God will not be placed upon anyone who maintains such a connection after the light of truth has shone upon his pathway. Christ is not divided, and Christians cannot serve God and mammon. The Lord says, “Come out from among them, and be ye separate, ... and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and My daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”—Letter 21, 1893. {Ev 622.1}

Deceptions Through Secret Societies—The world is a theater; the actors, its inhabitants, are preparing to act their part in the last great drama. With the great masses of mankind, there is no unity, except as men confederate to accomplish their selfish purposes. God is looking on. His purposes in regard to His rebellious subjects will be fulfilled. The world has not been given into the hands of men, though God is permitting the elements of confusion and disorder to bear sway for a season. A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama,—Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies. Those who are yielding to the passion for confederation are working out the plans of the enemy. The cause will be followed by the effect. {Ev 622.2}

Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and a great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise.—Testimonies For The Church 8:27-28 (1904). {Ev 623.1}

God cares!

[LifeHiscost]

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it speaks to the very beginning of our founding doctrines and how they came to be.

Paul the Apostle was a persecutor of Jesus and after meeting Him,

became the most ardent of His followers. I would say, after having spent the last 50 years of my life studying the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy, the Holy Bible is far more to be believed as how they came to be.

God cares!

[Ted Oplinger]

Stan said:You would think someone who is cramming for the finals would know better.

Is that statement directed at me or Gibs? Because i certainly know better and have been exposed to false SDA's for the last 8 years or so.

Welcome, Empty Tomb, to CA. Glad you are here. Stan's comment was directed at Gibs.

The Theology Townhall can be *a bit* rough and tumble for some newbies - just an FYI.

From what I've seen in the shout box...I think you'll fit in just fine.

Blessings,

[Gordon1]

You would think someone who is cramming for the finals would know better.

I've met very few who will even acknowledge a final.

[Ted Oplinger]

Originally Posted By: Stan

You would think someone who is cramming for the finals would know better.

I've met very few who will even acknowledge a final.

Oh, there's a final, all right. It is being the act of appearing before the Great White Throne of God, and it is pass/fail. No one gets inside the Pearly Gates riding the curve...just wearing Christ's righteousness.

Blessings,

[Gibs]

Well, ya know, we want to make sure we pass that final at the great white judgment Throne and then there will be no more finale. It will be Eternity!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[aldona]

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it speaks to the very beginning of our founding doctrines and how they came to be.

Paul the Apostle was a persecutor of Jesus and after meeting Him,

became the most ardent of His followers. I would say, after having spent the last 50 years of my life studying the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy, the Holy Bible is far more to be believed as how they came to be.

God cares!

Paul repented and renounced his former way of life.

I have never found any information (nor has anybody ever been able to show me any, despite asking many times) that William Miller ever renounced Freemasonry or resigned his membership of the lodge.

That is the difference.

Paul the Apostle was no longer a practicing persecutor.

The man who came up with 1844 and its meaning, and related doctrines, was (to the best of our knowledge) and remained, for the rest of his life, an active Freemason.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary, plelase let us see it.

AJ

[LifeHiscost]

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Oh, there's a final, all right. It is being the act of appearing before the Great White Throne of God, and it is pass/fail. No one gets inside the Pearly Gates riding the curve...just wearing Christ's righteousness.

One doesn't have to worry about the curve or the final judgement before the great white throne if they do not deny these promises.

"He who has the Son has life;...."1 John 5:12 NKJV

"....for this son of mine was dead and has now returned to life. He was lost, but now he is found.’ So the party began."Luke 15:24 NLT

For those who haven't yet, come, join the party.

God care!

[LifeHiscost]

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The man who came up with 1844 and its meaning, and related doctrines, was (to the best of our knowledge) and remained, for the rest of his life, an active Freemason.

While it is not known by me where he stood at the last of his days, I like to think of him according to God's instruction to me.

"Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances,...."

1 Corinthians 13:7 AMP Bold mine LHC

"But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”"Mark 10:27 NKJV

God cares!

[Hair]

I too, before entering the church, spent many years as a mason and agree with everything that Bert has said. Interestingly, my story is almost identical to Berts, except I was never a WM. Bert is telling it like it is. The masonic lodge is not the "devil worshiping" group that they are made out to be. I believe they have more conspiracy theories made-up on them than they have actual secrets. Just like Bert, I gave up on masons because it did not feel right with the certain oaths and things and I NEVER liked the term "Worshipful Master". That one always bothered me LOL.

[Gibs]

Many in EGW's day in the church were Masons and today it is close to the Mormon church of Masonry in the leadership from things I've read. I didn't go around to verfy it as far as that goes and because they don't want it known it would be hard to prove.

I'm really taken aback by the lithograph James W. made up and not sure if he had help on it but it seems it was his work.

I am dead certain EGW was solid against any secret organization including Masonry.

There is a lot we don't know and should be privy to the information of that is held back.

We must keep awake and learn all we can.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Guest]

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This may startle some of you and shock you, some of it does me too.

i am not shocked nor surprised to see another crafted attack on the SDA faith and leaders. it will not end any time soon.

Amen sister!! He posted this nonsense at my forum too. I had forgotten about that.

I quickly moved it to the conspiracy section, which requires a separate password to get in. The only reason I didn't delete it altogether was because I wanted to show it to somebody first. I can't think of any reason now though to keep it.

It comes from Texxe Marrs, who hates Adventism. Spreading lies and distortions about SDA beliefs is his stock in trade.

Sorry Gibs, but you know it's true. And you should know better than to fall for anything that comes from him.

[Gibs]

Nope it did not come from Texe Marrs there just is a lot out there on this if you want to dig it up and I know you don't.

Where there is smoke there is fire and cover ups are all about us.

I do know EGW stands in the clear but many others do not.

Look for yourself, I have and am satisfied, don't be afraid. Depends on where you look and who and what you believe or will believe from your findings.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Guest]

Texxe Marrs has a link to it at one of his websites full of lies.

[antcreations]

Bert and Hair.

Thanks for your input. Very informative.

[hch]

This may startle some of you and shock you, some of it does me too. I recognized the Masonic sybols and signs right away as I have been made aware of them for years and so notice leaders in politics using them very extensively.

I have had this link for over a year now and I had misplaced it and forgot it, but I found it yesterday.

Don't get overwhelmed and not see it all as it gets more revealing near the end!

http://www.jesusisfreedom.net/the-masonic-beginning-of-the-seventh-day-adventists.html

YOU WILL BE SHOCKED! When you finally get scrolled down and see the Lithograph that James White drew up!

This is information I am not glad to share but I don't believe must be witheld.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The princes in Medo-Persia were also grieved to inform the king about Daniel that he prayed to God three times a day, but they felt compelled to let the king know what his most trusted servant was doing. It looks like history repeats at many levels. But it boils down to two classes: those that understand and those that won't.

A wise man might do well to conclude that the information in the link is propaganda. Out of context. Arranged in a salacious format to promote Satan's agenda rather than God's.

[Guest]

I couldn't have said it that well, or I would have.

[Gibs]

Why do you folks think they done photo changing in those days as now. Those pictures are posted in the archives in more than one place. No they are not Photo shopped.

Do not they speak for them selves?

I am sure EGW didn't have the say on the grave stones as she knew what an Egyptian Obelisk was and these are the type stones on Hers and James graves. Who done it?

Like the giant one in Washington DC, the national monument, the thing got damaged here a while back with a tremor of some kind. That is an Egytian Obelisk.

We can deny a lot of things but I think few will deny that Satan is a master game player at his game.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[hch]

I couldn't have said it that well, or I would have.

Give God the glory not the pen in a man's hand.

[Gibs]

Yes God through EGW tried and against great odds. She fought it hard and valiently.

What happened to the important message of righteousnes by faith of 1888? Well it did bring most up out of the ditch of legalism and upon the road, but it wasn't long until it turned and most fell in the oposite one into liberaliam which runs rampant today in SD Adventism the same as in all the other so called churches of the world.

Folks, the true message is we all must be overcomers to be in His Kingdom, only the overcomer will not be hurt of the second death.

Jesus made the way of that easy and light yet men refuse Him!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[hch]

Why do you folks think they done photo changing in those days as now. Those pictures are posted in the archives in more than one place. No they are not Photo shopped.

Do not they speak for them selves?

I am sure EGW didn't have the say on the grave stones as she knew what an Egyptian Obelisk was and these are the type stones on Hers and James graves. Who done it?

Like the giant one in Washington DC, the national monument, the thing got damaged here a while back with a tremor of some kind. That is an Egytian Obelisk.

We can deny a lot of things but I think few will deny that Satan is a master game player at his game.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

There are other explanations that are very innocent.

An SDA that I personally know worked with a Mason who admitted giving him hand signals repeatedly to see if the SDA was a Mason. The SDA never noticed anything odd about the hand gestures. They looked normal, like gestures that you see everyday.

Whether the photographers suggested those poses to the SDA's in the pictures in question or whether they were normal poses from the era that were commonly seen, or whether they were something that Masons copied from normal poses or normal people saw those poses in pictures that they did not know were linked to Masonry, it will be hard to sort it all out.

I do know that my grandfather was a Mason (though not a 32 degree Mason as was my great-uncle). Grandfather Burns did say from his Mason beliefs that Pope Pius XII was the devil, but he never said that his SDA grandson had joined a Masonic church. On the contrary, he saw that the SDA Church was not compatible with being a Mason.

Quoting the right Scriptures in the wrong context is not very enlightening.

I'll leave this dead horse to whoever wants to fillet it.

[Guest]

What happened to the important message of righteousnes by faith of 1888? Well it did bring most up out of the ditch of legalism and upon the road, but it wasn't long until it turned and most fell in the oposite one into liberaliam which runs rampant today in SD Adventism the same as in all the other so called churches of the world.

Folks, the true message is we all must be overcomers to be in His Kingdom, only the overcomer will not be hurt of the second death.

Well, I agree with all of that. It's true, what you said there.

[Gibs]

The SDA wouldn't make any acknowledging of the signals, no that is never done.

These signals and there is lots of them of the differnt lodges vary some and one can see them all the time if being observative. But one must be a knowing what to watch for as it is done very subtly most times.

The pictures don't lie and deny all one wants to is fine with me. I am not too much concerned.

Live and let live and preach and present the truth and keep moving on!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

[Gustave]

Ellen White was a sock puppet for James White & the other SDA big wigs....

...So of course she would have rolled in Freemasonry.

...Anyone who looks at the lithograph and denies Masonry.

...Just can't deal with the truth.

Besides, Masonry is a big time "Prot" party....

...Who cares if Ellen gorged herself on Masonic teachings.

...And these teachings found expression in her material?

...What difference does it make?